Mothering Magazine Sponsored Chat with Cynthia Good Mojab,
MS, IBCLC, RLC, CATSM is a clinical counselor, international board
certified lactation consultant, author, researcher, and speaker.
Through her private practice,
LifeCircle Counseling and Consulting (LLC) she offers a blend of
psychological and lactation services to women and health care
providers, in person and by phone. In this chat, Cynthia will talk
about grieving breastfeeding losses, including the loss of expected
breastfeeding experiences, the loss of direct breastfeeding
(exclusive pumping), and the complete loss of breastfeeding.
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5/25/06
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Webmama_Tina:
ok, mamas, today our chat is with
cynthia good mojab ....
Webmama_Tina: here's our info on the chat for today...
Webmama_Tina: Cynthia Good Mojab, MS, IBCLC, RLC,
CATSM is a clinical counselor,
international board certified lactation
consultant, author, researcher, and
speaker. Through her private practice,
LifeCircle Counseling and Consulting
(LLC) she offers a blend of
psychological and lactation services to
women and health care providers, in
person and by phone. In this chat,
Cynthia will talk about grieving
breastfeeding losses, including the loss
of expected breastfeeding experiences,
the loss of direct breastfeeding
(exclusive pumping), and the complete
loss of breastfeeding.
Webmama_Tina: now cynthia, why don't you add anything
else you'd like to add....i know that
covers a lot, lol
ailbhe: Am I here?
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nursiemom: ?
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Well, in addition to the information
Tina just posted, I also answer
questions about breastfeeding and
maternal mental health for Mothering
magazine as a member of their experts
panel.
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: In my private practice and in my other
roles, I have met many women who have
experienced some kind of breastfeeding
loss. They usually have had great
difficulty finding understanding of and
support for their grief.
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: I'm ready for questions any time, Tina.
Webmama_Tina: okey dokey!
Webmama_Tina: nursiemom you're up first!
nursiemom: I had to wean my youngest at 12.5 months
due to severe medical issues. That was
1.5 years ago, and it completely broke
my heart. The pain is less now, but
still very real-- what is the best way
to work through the pain from being
forced to wean too early
Webmama_Tina: woah, can we go a little darker green?
that's hard to read
Webmama_Tina: :)
nursiemom: Sorry-- I'll try again
Webmama_Tina: ah much better
Webmama_Tina: :)
nursiemom: I had to wean my youngest at 12.5 months
due to severe medical issues. That was
1.5 years ago, and it completely broke
my heart. The pain is a little less
now, but still very real-- what is the
best way to work through my grief from
having to wean too so
nursiemom: too soon?
NaturalChildNaturalFamily: ?
earthgrlie: ?
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: I don't know that there is one way to
work through the pain. Every woman's
loss is different and every woman
grieves differently. Some things that
seems helpful for many mothers grieving
weaning earlier than they had planned or
expected to is to acknowledge the
legitimacy of your loss to yourself, to
find others who recognize that you have
experienced a loss and who will not say
things that, in effect, stop your
grieving. Many people mean well, but
when they say things like, At least you
breastfed as long as you did" or "your
child is healthy and fine, why are you
so upset about this?" they are really
communicating that it is not OK for you
to be feeling what you are feeling. Some
women find it helpful to write about
their loss, in a journal, a poem, a
song, etc. Some women find it helpful to
create a drawing or a dance about their
loss. Some women find it helpful to
create a ceremony that acknowledges what
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: One of the most difficult things about
the loss of breastfeeding is that it is
not socially recognized--therefore,
finding support can be very hard. It can
be a very lonely experience to be
grieving a breastfeeding loss.
Webmama_Tina: upcoming chatters:
NaturalChildNaturalFamily, earthgrlie
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Grief is always hard, but grieving alone
is always harder. So finding some
companionship, while difficult, can be
very, very helpful.
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Is there another question, Tina?
Webmama_Tina: NaturalChildNaturalFamily you're up
NaturalChildNaturalFamily: Thank you for doing this- It is
wonderful- Have you found a link btwn
PPD and the mom who doesn't nurse at
all?
Webmama_Tina: upcoming chatters: earthgrlie
NaturalChildNaturalFamily: with relation to grief
ailbhe: ?
arianamama: ?
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: You're very welcome. Most research
studies show that the onset postpartum
depression precedes weaning. Some
studies show that depression follows
weaning. However, postpartum depression
may have begun as antenatal depression
which was never diagnosed. Grief is
often a contributing factor for
depression, postpartum or not. In fact,
it can be difficult to distinguish
between grief and depression, because
there is so much overlap. Certainly any
mother experiencing grief or depression
in the early days postpartum will have
fewer emotional resources available to
initiate and/or cope with breastfeeding
challenges in a society in which so many
barriers to breastfeeding already exist.
Does this answer your question?
Webmama_Tina: upcoming chatters: earthgrlie, ailbhe
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Mothers who are grieving the loss of an
expected birth experience are certainly
at an emotional disadvantage postpartum
for initiating breastfeeding and/or to
overcome breastfeeding challenges.
NaturalChildNaturalFamily: yes
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Next question, please?
kjkissingford: ?
earthgrlie: My daughter is 4 months old, she has
major neurological issues being
diagnosed with Dandy Walker Malformation
and Severe Hydrocephalus. She was in the
NICU for about 2 months, Im proud to say
she's been able to be on my breastmilk
and not be supplemented."
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: That is not easy to accomplish in such a
challenging context.
Webmama_Tina: upcoming chatters: ailbhe,
arianamama, kjkissingford
earthgrlie: She was born via C-section and
everything around her birth was
completly different. I was praying that
we'd be able to breastfeed, but she has
a g-tube
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: It sounds like you are grateful and
proud that she has been exclusively
breast milk fed and that you are
grieving that you were and are not able
to breastfeed her directly.
earthgrlie: I pump ( and HATE it!) but I try to make
sure to have her try to latch on to my
breast afterwards, just in hopes of her
being able to breastfeed down the line.
Do you have any other suggestions for
building that bond and encouraging
future feedings at the
earthgrlie: breast
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Many women in your situation absolutely
hate pumping: its sight, its sound, etc.
It's a tangible reminder over and over
again of their loss of direct
breastfeeding.
earthgrlie: YES! My four year old still nurses, so
that has helped a great deal. But I feel
like my newborn is getting cheated
mamaste: ?
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: In one of my publications on congenital
disorders in the nursling, I talk about
the many aspects of the physical
experience of breastfeeding: skin
contact, hearing the mother's heartbeat
and breathing, looking into each other's
eyes. Mothers who are not able to
directly breastfeed often feel more
connected to their baby when they
recreate these other aspects of
breastfeeding.
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Yes, you know what your four-year-old
has experienced in your breastfeeding
relationship, and you wish that your
newborn could have that, too.
earthgrlie: Where could I find more info on this?
Also we don't have the option of eye
contact she's blind on top of everything
else
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: When a newborn is blind, eye contact is
not possible. Your baby will hear your
breathing, your voice, your heartbeat
and feel your touch during
breastfeeding. Touch is so essential to
the well-being and development of any
newborn. All that cuddling, holding,
rocking, patting, and carrying that
mothers do may seem in our society like
getting nothing done", but it has an
incredibly powerful impact on our
babies' development."
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: If you look at the publications page of
my website, Ammawell, you can find two
publications that I wrote on
breastfeeding a child with a congenital
disorder. One of them can be read in
full on-line. If you visit the About"
page of my private practice website
(
www.lifecirclecc.com ) you'll find a
link to my website, Ammawell. Then go to
the breastfeeding section of my
publications page."
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Best wishes to you. Is there another
question?
earthgrlie: I appreciate this chat, thank you! I'd
be interested in reading more about this
topic. I'll be letting my husband read
what you wrote about getting nothing
done. :-)
Webmama_Tina: ailbhe you're up
ailbhe: Thank.
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Also, MOBI Motherhood, International is
a new organization (though an email
group has existed for some time)
providing support and information for
mothers struggling with breastfeeding or
grieving its loss. They have a few email
lists that can help mothers find support
from mothers who really understand
because they're going through some form
of challenge, too. They're at:
http://www.mobimotherhood.org
ailbhe: My toddler is just over two, and
starting to self-wean.
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: You're welcome.
Webmama_Tina: upcoming chatters: arianamama,
kjkissingford, mamaste
ailbhe: I've been using breastfeeding to help
live with the post-traumatic stress
resulting from her birth.
ailbhe: I'm also 27 weeks pregnant.
ailbhe: I'm terrified of losing breastfeeding
coming up to another birth, but it's not
fair to her to use her as a crutch.
ailbhe: Is there a more useful way to think
about the whole situation? I feel bereft
- grieving for her birth and for the end
of breastfeeding
ailbhe: (I've finished now)
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: It sounds like breastfeeding has brought
you great comfort after your traumatic
birth experience. Something that has
gone right" after a birth which happened
in an unexpected and frightening way."
ailbhe: Yes, that's right.
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: One of the tasks of grieving is finding
new meaning in the aftermath of a loss.
How do we live now that the loss has
happened? What meaning does the loss
have for us? This kind of grief work is
so important, so hidden from others, and
so challenging, it can be hard to know
how to do it and what to make of our
internal state. Finding ways to honor
the emotions of our grief, and the
importance of our grief work can help us
feel that, although the situation is
difficult, it is our healing in
progress.
magdalene74: well, arent yall hard to find today LOL
magdalene74: woops, sorry.
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Is there another question?
arianamama: How do those of us breastfeeding let
those who weren't able to breastfeed
like they wanted know that we are open
to discuss their grief with them.
ailbhe: Oh well. Back to my regular therapist I
guess.
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: That's a great question.
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: It depends on the context, of course,
but communicating something like, Many
women have struggled with breastfeeding.
It's common for mothers to feel
frustration, sadness, and anger related
to breastfeeding...."
Webmama_Tina: upcoming chatters: kjkissingford,
mamaste
arianamama: thank you
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Mothers may be grieving the loss of
breastfeeding with little support for
that loss. This group/emaillist/session
is a place that you can talk about any
feelings you have about
breastfeeding..."
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: You're welcome. Is there another
question?
Webmama_Tina: upcoming chatters: kjkissingford,
mamaste
Webmama_Tina: kjkissingford, you're up!
kjkissingford: Thank you for having this chat. I found
deep isolation and despair when I was
unable to breastfeed successfully. Part
of that is due to the huge campaign that
says breastfeeding is the best (makes us
sad moms feel like we're not doing the
best") ..."
Webmama_Tina: upcoming chatters: mamaste
kjkissingford: the lactation consultant we hired gave
us the unwaivering perception that of
course you'll be able to breastfeed,
just do this, this and this" when it
didn't work, she stopped calling for
support even though she said she would. I
felt like crap!"
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: You're welcome. It sounds like you were
not able to find adequate support as you
grieved the loss of breastfeeding....
Webmama_Tina: remember that if you have a question,
just post a single question mark and
i'll add you to the queue
kareen: ?
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Part of your grief seems to have been
that you knew the value of
breastfeeding, and because you knew
that, the pain of the loss of
breastfeeding was great. You wanted to
be able to give your baby the best" and
were very sad that you could not give
your baby breastfeeding...."
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: The support you received from the
lactation consultant you hired did not
meet your needs. You needed more
follow-up, more problem solving, more
emotional support for your struggle.
magdalene74: ?
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Am I understanding your experience even
a little?
kjkissingford: yes. i ended up with pretty severe
postpartum depression/anxiety and I know
it was this experience that pushed me
over the edge. I've been to ppd support
group, but I was the only one that
failed" to breastfeed. I'd like to see
more public awareness of th"
Webmama_Tina: upcoming chatters: mamaste, kareen,
magdalene74
kjkissingford: this would be helpful. the judgement is
SO deep when you're a natural" minded
person! Thanks for your reflection!"
bicrim: are you all still here?
Webmama_Tina: bicrim yes...we're wrapping up our chat
soon though
Webmama_Tina: 6 min left in this chat
bicrim: thanks
Webmama_Tina: At this time, the queue is full.
Questions already in line will be asked,
but we cannot take anymore today. Sorry
for the inconvenience.
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: The magnitude of grief that women can
experience in the aftermath of
breastfeeding loss is poorly
recognized--which leaves mothers
struggling in isolation. It sounds like
your loss of breastfeeding did not match
your vision of yourself as a natural"
person. It can be very difficult to
reconcile this kind of mismatch--grief
is, in part, the process of finding new
definitions of self--of who we are....
It's not an easy process."
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Next question, please?
Webmama_Tina: upcoming chatters: mamaste, kareen,
magdalene74
mamaste: I lost a tremendous amt. of blood at
birth. It took 2.5 mths. to fully
breastfeed my baby. I still grieve the
initial loss and all materials stress
the importance of the initial bond that
I missed.I am happy to be where we are
now but I still feel the loss
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Tina, I can stay a little longer--say
until 10:15, maybe even 10:30...
Webmama_Tina: ok
bicrim: ?
Webmama_Tina: upcoming chatters: kareen, magdalene74,
bicrim
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: There is a great deal of emphasis on
initial bonding. What is less recognized
is how attachment is actually a long
process. Mothers convey their love for
their baby in ordinary ways, over and
over again, day after day, month after
month, and their babies learn moment by
moment, yes, I am cared for, yes, my
needs are met, yes, I am protected. Some
moments aren't perfect" but it is the
overall experience on which attachment
is founded. You wanted to be able to
provide attachment in the form of full
breastfeeding. You are grieving the loss
of that experience for your child and
yourself. And you are glad that you are
now able to express your love and
attachment to your baby through full
breastfeeding."
mamaste: yes, each day is better than the one
before. thanks
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Perfection in parenting is not possible,
in part, because we would need a perfect
world, with perfect support, and perfect
information, provided by perfect family,
friends, strangers and health care
providers. The real world for most
mothers involves less than perfect
support, information, etc. We do the
best we can and our children learn from
us how to manage in an imperfect world.
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: You're welcome. Is there another
question?
Webmama_Tina: upcoming chatters: kareen, magdalene74,
bicrim
Webmama_Tina: kareen, you're up
kareen: I am still dealing with low milk volume
with Baby #2 (7 months old ). I nursed
baby #1 for 14 months supplementing.
Doing the same now. I thought my 2nd
would be easier but ended up with a
granuloma on my right pinky and mastitis
in BOTH breasts.
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: You've been through a lot of challenges!
kareen: people think I'm nuts. My husband has
been very supportive. I get embarrassed
whipping out a bottle in public but also
hard time nursing in public. I think
I'm over it all but as I write this, I
guess I'm not.
Webmama_Tina: upcoming chatters: magdalene74, bicrim
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: People think your nuts because they
think you should have given up" by now?"
kareen: yes
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: So, instead of support for hanging in
there and creating the breastfeeding
experience that is possible for you
right now, you get some form of
criticism.
kareen: yes, I think most feel guilty for not
nursing themselves ?
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: It can be very hard for a woman who is
knowledgeable about the importance of
breastfeeding to give her baby a bottle
in public. She may wonder Am I being
judged?""
nasbrit: ?
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: I think less-than-supportive responses
to a mother's breastfeeding challenges
are often based in the grief of the
person who is not being supportive. Many
grandmothers of today's babies did not
breastfeed--and did not have the
information and support then that we do
now. Which is not to say that
contemporary support and information is
always adequate!
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Next question please?
magdalene74: I failed to breastfeed my two older
sons, primarily, i believe, because of
ignorance and lack of support. This
time around i placed myself in the midst
of the toughest breastfeeding advocates
i knew, to ensure that i would have the
knowledge and support i
Webmama_Tina: sorry, i'm multitasking w/a baby on my
lap :)
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: :)
magdalene74: (sorry, paste doesnt seem to work..
lemme get this back..)
Webmama_Tina: upcoming chatters: bicrim
Webmama_Tina: do ctrl c
magdalene74: needed. and i suceeded. now i am one of
the advocates, the mentors...
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: So you have personal experience with the
world of difference that support and
information can make.
magdalene74: there was a question here heh.
magdalene74: so how do we find the line between
support to help a woman suceed
magdalene74: and support for when she cant
Webmama_Tina: to copy content, click the copy content
button in the row of buttons
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: That is a great question....
magdalene74: (no i had everything written up in
word.. cant seem to get it pasted here
heh.)
Webmama_Tina: you should be able to use the hot
key....CTRL C
Webmama_Tina: sorry
Webmama_Tina: thats for copy
Webmama_Tina: CTRL V
Webmama_Tina: there
Webmama_Tina: migraine making my brain fuzzy
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: I think one important thing for someone
trying to be supportive is to stay
connected with the woman's experience.
If we listen more than we talk, it can
help a mother feel understood and spend"
the emotion she needs to spend" which
can help her figure out more clearly
what she wants to do in that moment."
Webmama_Tina: CTRL V is paste
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: She is the one living her experience. We
can't possibly know what is best" for
her, because we are not living her
experience."
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Echoing back what she is saying...her
thoughts, feelings, dreams, regrets,
hopes...can help her process her
experience. Sometimes we are up to here"
with emotion, confusion, and frustration
that unless we have a chance to get it
out of us, we cannot make much use of
support and information that might
otherwise have helped us."
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Is there another question?
Webmama_Tina: upcoming chatters: bicrim
bicrim: I have hypoplastic breasts and
hypothyroid and, despite domperidone and
pumping, have only managed a 75%supply.
I still have trauma from those first
weeks when he wasn't gaining and we
didn't know why. I felt broken for not
being able to feed my son.
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: I meant to write breastfeeding
information and support...""
bicrim: sorry
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: No problem...
Webmama_Tina: upcoming chatters: bicrim nasbrit
nasbrit: I have recently weaned (two and a half
months ago) my 3 year old and am finding
myself feeling a lot of depression. I
am much more anxious about what he eats
(or doesn't), I worry about not being
able to protect him from the dangers of
the world.
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: It sounds like those first weeks were
very frightening and confusing for
you--why isn't my son gaining?
bicrim: yeah, and breastfeeding was so important
to me, formula wasn't an option
bicrim: we ended up with donor milk and an SNS
bicrim: but I still have PTSD-like symptoms from
those first few weeks.
Webmama_Tina: nasbrit, you're after bicrim :)
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: You wish your breasts would have
produced enough milk for your son. You
really valued and continue to value
breastfeeding. The whole experience of
not being able to breastfeed him and
have him gain well, and not knowing what
was causing his poor weight gain, was
traumatic for you
bicrim: yes
bicrim: and my therapist is wonderful, but he
doesn't really get the breastfeeding
thing.
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: How difficult it must be to seek support
from a mental health care provider, but
not have him understand something so
important to you.
bicrim: it was frustrating.
bicrim: any advice about the flashbacks?
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Sadly, many women have reported to me
how difficult it has been for them to
find a mental health care provider who
understands breastfeeding, breastfeeding
loss, traumatic childbirth, etc.
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: For chatters who may not know,
flashbacks are intrusive memories of
traumatic experiences. They can occur
repeatedly and may feel like a tape is
being replayed.
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Flashbacks are a symptom of traumatic
stress. Treatment for traumatic stress
include medication and psychotherapy.
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Does your therapist specialize in
treating traumatic stress?
bicrim: actually, yes
bicrim: so more EMDR, then?
bicrim: lol
Webmama_Tina: nasbrit has our last question for today.
:)
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Ok, so you may find that your symptoms
lessen as you continue treatment, and
yes, EMDR, is one form of psychotherapy
for traumatic stress. Is there a mental
health care provider in your area who
specializes in traumatic stress--AND
understands breastfeeding?
bicrim: I've been with this one for years, it
will be OK, it's nice to talk to someone
who gets it, though.
nasbrit: Two months ago I weaned my 3 year old
and I am still feeling pretty depressed
about it. I feel like I can't protect
him enough anymore, etc.
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Best wishes on your continued healing,
bicrim.
bicrim: thanks
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: You feel like breastfeeding helped you
protect your son?
nasbrit: Yes! And obviously more than just the
attachment and antibodies. I am having
nightmares several times a week about
horrible things happening to him
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: So, breastfeeding felt like a way to
create a safe haven for him and now you
are anxious about harm coming to him.
nasbrit: He still ocassionally asks to nurse when
he's really upset, but I've started
fertility meds and can't risk passing
that through. It's heartbreaking to me
when he sobs please say yes to
num-nums""
nasbrit: I wonder that I am harming him?
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: It sounds like you are torn between
undergoing fertility treatment so that
you can have another child and wanting
to meet the needs of the child you have.
You wonder if he will be harmed by your
saying no to his asking to nurse.
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Has anyone provided you with information
from the current (2006) edition of
Medications and Mothers Milk by Tom
Hale? And, when did you begin fertility
treatments? Women can have strong side
effects of fertility medications on
their mood (depression, anxiety...).
nasbrit: I try to hug and cuddle him when I say
no, but he can get so sad. I don't know
how else to make him and me feel better
nasbrit: Started just a little bit ago. Was also
wondering if the change of hormones with
weaning could affect my mood.
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Sometimes it can help a child to things
that acknowledge their
sorrow...something like, You feel very
sad about not being able to have num-nums.
You really miss it. You really wish Mama
would say 'yes'." And, if "But, Mama
can't give you num-nums because she has
to take a medicine that might not be
good for you to have." You can say that
some time later, but when children just
get to experience acknowledgement of
their feelings in that moment, it can
really be powerful."
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: When weaning is abrupt, there seems to
be more risk of negative mood resulting
from weaning. This is not a
well-researched or understood area, but
there are hormonal changes associated
with weaning that seem related to mood.
It's possible that several things are
impacting your mood--your own feelings
about weaning, your experience of your
son's feelings, and side effects from
the fertility treatment.
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Mothering involves a full spectrum of
experience. And, mothers,
understandably, experience a full
spectrum of emotion in response to that
experience.
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Tina, I'm going to need to go soon....
Webmama_Tina: yes that was our last question
Webmama_Tina: i was just waiting for that to be
completed. :)
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: Me, too. : )
nasbrit: It's hard at times to feel this deeply.
Thank you for your understanding.
Webmama_Tina: thank you SO much! nursiemom wanted me
to express her deepest thanks...she had
to go
Webmama_Tina: but she wanted you to know how wonderful
this was for her
Webmama_Tina: i will try to get the transcripts up
sometime in the next week
Webmama_Tina: and thanks again, cynthia, for another
wonderful chat!
Webmama_Tina: and thank you to all you wonderful mamas
for joining us!
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: You're very welcome, nasbrit. Best
wishes on your journey. It might be wise
to check in with your health care
provider regarding your mood.
Webmama_Tina: y'all are welcome to stick around and
chat amongst yourselves as long as you
like...all i ask is you move to another
chat room so that i can close this one.
:)
Webmama_Tina: it might be nice for those of you with
similar experiences to stay and chat
casually with each other. :)
magdalene74: nasbrit, if you will tell me what
fertility drugs you are on, i will try
to look them up for you, or find someone
who can... you may be able to continue
nursing your son until you are both
ready to wean.. it doesnt sound to me
like either of you are ready
magdalene74: for that quite yet..
magdalene74: oops, sorry
Cynthia_Good_Mojab: You're welcome. I'm glad to have been
here.
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