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21:02:20 |
Webmama_Tina |
tonite i'm so pleased to have author
david albert! |
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21:02:27 |
Webmama_Tina |
David is a homeschooling dad, writer,
storyteller, and author of three books
about homeschooling: Have Fun. Learn
Stuff. Grow. Homeschooling and the
Curriculum of Love (Common Courage
Press, in Press); Homeschooling and the
Voyage of Self-Discovery (Common Courage
Press, 2003); and And the Skylark Sings
with Me: Adventures in Homeschooling and
Community Based-Education (New Society
Publishers, 1999); editor of a book
about his Indian parents The Color of
Freedom (Common Courage Press, 2005); as
well as two books about the uses of
storytelling, The Healing Heart~Families
and The Healing Heart~Communities (New
Society Publishers, 2003). He writes a
regular column \My Word!\" for Home
Education Magazine, and a second column
\"What Really Matters\" with Joyce Reed,
for The Link. His work has appeared in
scores of magazines and journals
worldwide, ranging from Life Learning
Magazine to the Journal of the American
Philosophical Society. As founder of New
Society Publishers, he was both editor
and publisher of John Taylor Gatto's
Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum
of Compulsory Schooling, and more than a
100 other titles. David lives in
Olympia, Washington with his wife and
partner Ellen and younger daughter Meera.
His older daughter Aliyah is an
undergraduate at Smith College in
Northampton, Massachusetts, majoring in
music composition. He holds degrees from
Williams College, Oxford University, and
the University of Chicago, but says the
best education he ever received was from
his kids. Visit his website at
www.skylarksings.com or write him at
david@skylarksings.com. " |
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21:02:40 |
David H. Albert |
Wow, you type fast! |
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21:02:44 |
Webmama_Tina |
lol |
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21:02:51 |
Webmama_Tina |
gotta love copy/paste |
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21:04:21 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok David, anything you'd like to add to
that intro? |
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21:04:43 |
David H. Albert |
Just that I'm happy to be here, and
typing rather than speaking (bad chest
cold...) |
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21:05:02 |
Webmama_Tina |
aww, hope you feel better soon! |
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21:05:17 |
SandraMort |
Oh, that's no fun. |
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21:05:18 |
David H. Albert |
sickness is a sign of moral turpitude. |
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21:05:29 |
Webmama_Tina |
lol ok |
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21:05:34 |
SandraMort |
Oh, I hope not. |
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21:05:56 |
Stacey B |
? |
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21:05:56 |
Webmama_Tina |
well mamas, if you have questions for
david, just throw out a question mark
and chat_manager (juliet) will gather
the list :) |
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21:06:04 |
Webmama_Tina |
stacey, go for it! |
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21:06:13 |
SandraMort |
Wow, a helper! |
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21:06:19 |
Webmama_Tina |
yup! |
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21:06:49 |
Stacey B |
I've read both your books I am
interested in what things were like
during the earlier years of the
\learning\"" |
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21:07:23 |
David H. Albert |
Actually, I have three homeschoolin'
books (LOL!) I presume you mean the kids
(not me?) |
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21:07:40 |
Stacey B |
yes, sorry I guess I'm off a little |
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21:08:39 |
David H. Albert |
Well, we mostly just had a very, very
good time! The kids allowed us the
opportunity to revisit our own
educations, and do it right this time.
Both my wife and I recareered so that we
could spend much more time with the
kids. Moved to a place which was muc |
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21:09:07 |
David H. Albert |
much less expensive, went lots of place,
explored things we had never been able
to explore in our own youth. |
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21:09:40 |
David H. Albert |
In some sense, I think of it like a
Jackson Pollack painting - we threw lots
of paint around, and watched for what
stuck. |
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21:10:25 |
David H. Albert |
We learned so much from both of the
kids, including their differences! I
like to tell folks I have one \noun\"
and one \"verb\". The first didn't
prepare us at all for the second!" |
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21:11:03 |
David H. Albert |
Since my wife and I are both very
\nounish\" (and I nerdy in addition),
having a verb was a wonderful new
experience!" |
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21:11:18 |
Webmama_Tina |
lol |
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21:11:38 |
David H. Albert |
I have always thought of school as a bad
substitute for a good family. Well, we
HAD a good family. |
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21:12:12 |
David H. Albert |
So the way we looked at it, school was
the \alternative\" - the family was the
first option." |
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21:12:41 |
David H. Albert |
Then, just a lot of watching and
listening and patience - all very
difficult for a New Yorker! |
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21:12:53 |
Stacey B |
I understand that |
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21:12:59 |
David H. Albert |
Love and listening are synonyms, really. |
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21:13:10 |
SandraMort |
You're a New Yorker? |
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21:13:13 |
Stacey B |
yes |
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21:13:18 |
David H. Albert |
Born and bred. |
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21:13:22 |
SandraMort |
Cool! |
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21:13:29 |
SandraMort |
? |
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21:13:34 |
chat_manager |
Reminder: If you have a question for
David, please type a ? and you will be
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Be sure to have your question ready when
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21:13:41 |
David H. Albert |
Born in the Bronx, grew up in Queens,
went to school in Manhattan. |
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21:13:49 |
chat_manager |
Upcoming Chatters: SandraMort |
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21:14:06 |
SandraMort |
Born in Queens, grew up in Manhattan,
high school in the Bronx and currently
in Astoria |
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21:14:25 |
SandraMort |
Though if you went from Queens to
Manhattan I'd guess Stuy or Hunter. |
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21:14:44 |
Beating_Earth |
? |
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21:15:10 |
David H. Albert |
Used to sneak into the 1963 World's Fair
through a hole in the fence. (yes,
Stuy). That's where I learned all about
Corfam shoes, and electronic people
singing \It's a great big, beautiful
tomorrow.\"" |
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21:15:44 |
chat_manager |
Upcoming Chatters: SandraMort,
Beating_Earth |
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21:16:27 |
Beating_Earth |
My biggest question is how to you get
started?? I really have no idea how
this would work. |
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21:16:43 |
SandraMort |
Does that mean it's my turn yet? |
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21:16:46 |
chat_manager |
Beating_Earth, hold on... |
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21:16:54 |
Beating_Earth |
sorry |
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21:16:57 |
chat_manager |
David, are you ready for a new question |
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21:16:58 |
chat_manager |
? |
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21:17:03 |
David H. Albert |
Ah, yes. Well, once you've figured out
that you are doing it, you've started.
Really! |
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21:17:08 |
David H. Albert |
ready |
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21:17:11 |
Webmama_Tina |
? |
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21:17:13 |
chat_manager |
If David is ready, then it is time for
SandraMort |
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21:17:29 |
chat_manager |
OK, SandraMort, go ahead and then
Beating Earth you'll be next~ |
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21:17:55 |
SandraMort |
I sent in a IHIP and they sent me back a
form and I panicked. They've sent me
mail a couple of times and I haven't
been brave enough to open the letters.
Am I going to jail? |
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21:18:17 |
David H. Albert |
No legal expertise here. I'll send
cookies. |
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21:18:22 |
SandraMort |
LOL Tanks |
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21:18:45 |
chat_manager |
Upcoming Chatters: Beating_Earth,
Webmama_Tina , |
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21:19:38 |
hillyb6 |
. |
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21:19:48 |
Webmama_Tina |
david just let us know when you are
ready for the next question...so juliet
can let the next person know to go. :) |
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21:19:56 |
David H. Albert |
ready |
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21:20:06 |
chat_manager |
OK, Beating_Earth, you are up! |
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21:20:16 |
Beating_Earth |
Ok, do you start with just kinda going
in the direction the kids wanna go. But
after that .... what. |
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21:21:06 |
chat_manager |
Upcoming Chatters: Webmama_Tina , |
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21:21:16 |
David H. Albert |
Well, you find what stuck to the
painting. Or what feeds their souls.
Then you strategize about how you can
feed it further. I like to call what we
do \child-directed, family-centered\"
learning." |
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21:21:37 |
Beating_Earth |
so no real cirriculum per se |
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21:22:15 |
David H. Albert |
It took me a while, but I finally
figured out that 99% of the time the
kids were able to tell me what they
needed, if only I listened hard enough.
It's not as direct as \on-demand breast
feeding\", or " |
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21:22:41 |
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21:22:48 |
pazeley |
? |
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21:22:57 |
David H. Albert |
cooing back and forth, or entering into
the 21-month old's \gift exchange\", but
it is the same idea." |
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21:23:12 |
chat_manager |
Upcoming Chatters: Webmama_Tina ,
pazeley |
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21:23:20 |
Beating_Earth |
that makes sense. thank you |
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21:23:41 |
David H. Albert |
When we discovered curricula that could
feed their needs we used them. But we
never, or almost never, picked the
curricula first. (honestly, we didn't
use very much.) Ready... |
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21:24:02 |
chat_manager |
OK, Webmama_Tina, you are up~! |
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21:24:10 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok |
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21:24:17 |
Webmama_Tina |
i'm currently homeschooling my 6yr
old...but because of my 20mo old i'm not
yet able to do much focused work...i
usually tell people we are \unschooling
unintentionally\"...not that i don't
want to be unschooling, but i do want to
do some planned stuff too...do you have
any suggestions as to what to do with a
precocious 20month old? i swear he
freaks even when i just sit down and
read a book to my dd!" |
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21:24:31 |
chat_manager |
Upcoming Chatters: pazeley |
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21:25:04 |
chat_manager |
Upcoming Chatters: pazeley, hillyb6 |
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21:25:08 |
David H. Albert |
I LOVE 6 and 7 year olds! In fact,
someday, I've got a book coming out
about them. |
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21:25:11 |
Webmama_Tina |
its been darn near impossible to get
into any sort of a routine... |
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21:25:30 |
David H. Albert |
Their chronological sense of time, there
is a before and there is an after
expands in all kinds of new ways. |
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21:25:32 |
Webmama_Tina |
i think i'm routine challenged |
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21:25:34 |
Webmama_Tina |
LOL |
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21:25:48 |
David H. Albert |
The coiled spring that is within them
springs out in new directions. |
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21:26:18 |
David H. Albert |
New potentialities, new possibilities.
The questions in the car change, and
their are so many of them!!! |
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21:26:45 |
David H. Albert |
What to do with the 20 month old? well,
you juggle! |
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21:26:49 |
Webmama_Tina |
LOL |
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21:26:56 |
Webmama_Tina |
that's the problem...i'm not so good at
that |
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21:27:04 |
David H. Albert |
I don't mean that lightly - it is part
of the lesson the 6-year-old is taking
in, too. |
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21:27:11 |
Webmama_Tina |
and i swear i'm ADD because i get
knocked off track very very easily |
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21:27:34 |
David H. Albert |
That moms have multiple responsibilities
and that we all make choices to meet
them as best we can. |
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21:27:37 |
David H. Albert |
Don |
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21:27:58 |
David H. Albert |
don't worry, because your 6-year old
takes that all in, and it is a GOOD
thing. |
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21:28:15 |
Webmama_Tina |
between the housework, the computer (i
have 2 online businesses), the extra
curricular activities, the baby's needs,
etc...the \school\" work gets pushed to
bottom of the list of priorities most
days...i'm fighting right now to bring
it back to the top" |
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21:28:22 |
David H. Albert |
Probably more important that reading
that book while the 20-month old howls. |
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21:28:46 |
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Upcoming Chatters: pazeley, hillyb6 |
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21:28:50 |
David H. Albert |
Reframe the school work!!! |
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21:29:06 |
hillyb6 |
bootedmyself sorry |
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21:29:16 |
chat_manager |
Upcoming Chatters: pazeley, hillyb6 |
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21:29:21 |
Webmama_Tina |
yeah i've read that during this age that
i should just go lightly with any sort
of homeschooling...because the toddler
needs me more...i can get my daughter
caught up later? do you agree with that? |
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21:29:34 |
David H. Albert |
Look, we live in a numerate and literate
culture. |
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21:29:52 |
Webmama_Tina |
reframe how? |
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21:30:15 |
David H. Albert |
In a numerate and literate culture,
everyone learns to read and do numbers.
Do the math in the grocery store. Read
the street signs, or the signs on the
vegetables. |
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21:30:39 |
David H. Albert |
If you make your family work, it will
work for everyone. And he will learn. |
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21:30:41 |
Webmama_Tina |
yeah she's not really \behind\" per
se...she knows so much already, just
figures it out herself...i just feel
like i should be \"doing\" more!" |
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21:31:07 |
David H. Albert |
She was born that way! A shark is born
to eat. A child is born to learn. |
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21:31:07 |
Webmama_Tina |
but darned if i can! i just am hanging
in there to make it through the toddler
years at this point, LOL! |
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21:31:13 |
Webmama_Tina |
too true |
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21:31:19 |
Webmama_Tina |
its amazing to see |
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21:31:37 |
David H. Albert |
It will all go by so quickly. Sigh.
Savor every screaming fit! |
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21:31:43 |
Webmama_Tina |
lol, uh ok |
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21:31:45 |
Webmama_Tina |
ROFL |
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21:31:52 |
Webmama_Tina |
and boy is he good at those! LOL |
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21:32:02 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok thank you david! |
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21:32:08 |
David H. Albert |
I am working with one of my homeschool
clients in Florida.... |
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21:32:43 |
David H. Albert |
The kid whines. So I had the family go
out and buy some white boards, and turn
every whine into an equation. |
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21:32:46 |
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21:33:20 |
David H. Albert |
d = t(x) + t(y) + t(z) |
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21:33:21 |
chat_manager |
Upcoming Chatters: pazeley, hillyb6 |
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21:33:29 |
David H. Albert |
You know what that is? |
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21:33:33 |
Webmama_Tina |
LOL how does that work? |
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21:33:38 |
Webmama_Tina |
nope, no clue |
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21:33:45 |
Webmama_Tina |
been a long time since i did any
equations, LOL |
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21:34:28 |
David H. Albert |
The kid screamed that he couldn't dry
homeself. Well, d is \dry\". t is towel.
x = head, y = upper body; z = lower
body. The kid now has an equation for
drying himself." |
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21:34:34 |
David H. Albert |
ready |
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21:35:05 |
Webmama_Tina |
LOL! |
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21:35:07 |
Webmama_Tina |
too funny |
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21:35:14 |
Webmama_Tina |
go for it pazeley |
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21:35:15 |
pazeley |
Could you talk a bit about finding
mentors for the kids. We've always
homeschooled - some days I'd like a
little break. I have a precocious
\verb\" and mentors seem to want
\"nouns\" or at least very well behaved
\"verbs\"." |
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21:35:18 |
David H. Albert |
This is for a 7-year old, and he got it
immediately. (and now dries himself,
too.) |
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21:35:19 |
chat_manager |
pazeley, you are up |
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21:35:34 |
Webmama_Tina |
lol |
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21:35:44 |
David H. Albert |
Yeah. Your whole community is full of
'em. |
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21:36:08 |
David H. Albert |
My favorite was a neighbor. Now, as
noted, I'm from NYC, and wife is from
DC, and what do we know from plants? |
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21:36:18 |
hillyb6 |
. |
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21:36:46 |
chat_manager |
Upcoming Chatters: hillyb6 |
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21:37:23 |
David H. Albert |
Somehow, a naturalist soul got dropped
in our house. Well, in exchange for
helping this old woman weed hhalf an
hour twice a week, older one age 6 got
taught the names of hundreds of plants
(learned 'em in English and Latin, and
all their soil and water re |
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21:38:32 |
David H. Albert |
requirements. Mentors are all around -
but it doesn't mean that it is
particularly easy to find 'em. But
\mentors\" are not a way to get a break
- the kids will come home more exciting,
more energized, and more exhausting! if
you've found good ones." |
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21:38:41 |
chat_manager |
Upcoming Chatters: hillyb6,
chat_manager |
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21:38:53 |
pazeley |
Thanks, I guess I shouldn't think so
much about mentor's with credentials. |
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21:39:06 |
David H. Albert |
We thought that having the \verb\" in
gymnastics three hours a day at age 5 or
6 would tire her out. Uh, no...." |
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21:39:11 |
David H. Albert |
ready |
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21:39:47 |
chat_manager |
hillyb6, you are up! |
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21:39:49 |
hillyb6 |
out of cursoity i think naturally
parents do child centered learning ie we
see what interest our child and feed
that by play,l trips and other things,
so if you only do childcentered learning
how does the child ever learn to learn
and to be out side |
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21:39:53 |
hillyb6 |
hier comfortzone, how do you push them
to leanr things they arent good at or
interested in, how to work out side with
peoople that are not easy to work with
under circumtances thart are less than
ideal |
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21:40:06 |
David H. Albert |
If you need some credentials, I'll sell
you some, in exchange for odd musical
instruments (I currently want a piffero
from Abruzzi - my older d is now living
in florence and... |
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21:40:47 |
hillyb6 |
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21:40:58 |
David H. Albert |
Oh, my kids were ALWAYS interested in
things they weren't particuarly good at.
As for learning things you aren't
interested in....never works....did it
ever work for you? |
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21:41:13 |
hillyb6 |
but they still need to learn them |
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21:41:21 |
hillyb6 |
how do you make them learn then they
that need ot learn even if they dont
want to |
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21:41:31 |
hillyb6 |
life is full of things we arent
interested in and still need to do and
learn |
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21:41:44 |
David H. Albert |
They do need to LEARN, it doesn't follow
that they need to be TAUGHT! |
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21:41:54 |
hillyb6 |
i dont understand that |
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21:42:04 |
hillyb6 |
how do you learn if not by being taught |
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21:42:15 |
hillyb6 |
by the world, by your family by
teachers |
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21:42:19 |
hillyb6 |
but still its all teaching |
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21:42:23 |
David H. Albert |
The Japanese economy roared ahead in the
80s when they got rid of all worker
training. |
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21:42:50 |
David H. Albert |
They would only train a worker in tasks
needed to be learned when it would
immediately be followed by the chance to
put the skill to work. |
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21:43:26 |
Ames |
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21:43:38 |
David H. Albert |
Well, kids work the same way. If your
child has a subject they want to learn
about, and you are a complete dunce
about it, they'll learn to read pretty
darn quick. |
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21:44:04 |
David H. Albert |
In my Skylark book, I talk about the
experience of my older one working at
Wolf Haven International. |
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21:44:18 |
David H. Albert |
Now, to me, a wolf is big messy dog. |
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21:44:24 |
hillyb6 |
thats not really waht i mean let say
your child is not interesting in learn
math but yet they need ot learn math how
doy ou teach them math if they dont want
o learn it |
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21:44:37 |
David H. Albert |
Ignorance is one of the great gifts of
the homeschooling parent. |
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21:44:47 |
hillyb6 |
why is that a gift |
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21:45:02 |
David H. Albert |
Give 'em $2.00 in the grocery store.
Tell them they can purchase as much
candy as they want with $2.00 |
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21:45:34 |
SandraMort |
Heh |
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21:45:40 |
David H. Albert |
But if they go one penny over, they lose
it all. You'll be amazed at how quickly
they learn addition, subtraction,
multiplication. |
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21:45:44 |
SandraMort |
You may be there a while, but they'll
get it. |
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21:45:53 |
SandraMort |
Eva LOVES to shop for me. |
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21:46:11 |
hillyb6 |
umm that doesnt sound very useful for 6
kids sounds like mommy wil need to take
up drinking after that trip to the store |
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21:46:24 |
Webmama_Tina |
LOL! |
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21:46:29 |
David H. Albert |
If you have two kids, the one that gets
closest to $2 without going over gets an
extra buck |
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21:46:29 |
hillyb6 |
maybe give them 10 bucks and have them
pick out somethin for mommy migraine |
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21:46:42 |
Stacey B |
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21:47:06 |
David H. Albert |
I have a whole thing I'm working on
called \Super Market math\". All math -
K-8 - in the supermarket (and a lot
more!)" |
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21:47:16 |
SandraMort |
That sounds like fun. :) |
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21:47:18 |
Webmama_Tina |
oh awesome! |
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21:47:27 |
David H. Albert |
You can only do it one kid at a time,
because they will be at different
developmental stages. |
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21:47:31 |
hillyb6 |
hum i am currently trying to get a way
to teach my 5yrold preschool since he
was just pulled out recently due to
health issues so he is ready for kindy
any suggestions for the summermonth to
get him ready |
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21:47:58 |
David H. Albert |
Choose 10 items to buy, and commit to
spending NOT LESS THAN AN HOUR buying
them. |
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21:48:18 |
chat_manager |
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21:48:29 |
David H. Albert |
The thing is - we all need to
re-energize our own habits of inquiry,
of finding the extraordinary in the
ordinary. |
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21:49:11 |
David H. Albert |
My next book is actually called
\Dismantling the Inner School\"; if we
could just get those schoolish habits to
thinking and being out of our brain,
there's almost no end to what we can do
with our kids. Ready." |
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21:49:29 |
my2boys00-03 |
? |
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21:49:34 |
chat_manager |
I have a 6yo, 4yo and 2yo. The 4 yo
wants to be doing everything the 6yo is
doing but I am seeing that she is
missing out on some her developmental
requirements – almost like because she
is already reading (read at 3 because
she wanted to) and doing 1st gr. math
she didn’t get enough time to be a
child and go through her developmental
needs – now is easily frustrated
although highly motivated. How would
you suggest handling a young, spirited,
stubborn and easily frustrated
achievement-oriented child? She wants
to do everything her big sister does and
I want to help foster her childhood, her
time to be a child. We are at odds, in
a way. |
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21:50:16 |
David H. Albert |
Well, she's told you what SHE needs,
hasn't she? |
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21:50:36 |
David H. Albert |
They're all different. Diversity is
nature's way of caring for the species. |
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21:50:49 |
chat_manager |
yes, I guess I'm just worried about her
developmentally |
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21:51:17 |
chat_manager |
her big sister is her step sister and
when she goes to her other house on the
weekends my 4yo acts differently... |
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21:51:24 |
chat_manager |
more her age, I guess |
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21:51:27 |
David H. Albert |
Don't create trauma - THAT is what is
developmentally damaging. There is
enough trauma in the world without
creating extra. |
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21:51:38 |
chat_manager |
OK, I can see that |
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21:52:07 |
David H. Albert |
On the whole, 6-year-olds are much more
fragile than 4-year olds. (that's a
generalization - take with two fistfuls
of salt.) |
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21:52:23 |
my2boys00-03 |
? |
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21:52:29 |
chat_manager |
Upcoming Chatters: Stacey B,
my2boys00-03 |
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21:52:38 |
chat_manager |
good to know |
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21:52:42 |
chat_manager |
I appreciate you saying that |
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21:52:47 |
David H. Albert |
So...you found a way for her to act
differently when the occasion arises.
Sounds like a success story to me! |
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21:52:51 |
David H. Albert |
ready |
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21:52:53 |
chat_manager |
I guess I was just so worried about her
doing too much too soon |
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21:53:16 |
chat_manager |
because of some invisible pressure she
might have felt to be like her big
sister |
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21:53:21 |
David H. Albert |
Think of sharks. They KNOW when they are
hungry, and they seek out the right
food. |
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21:53:39 |
chat_manager |
TRUE |
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21:53:45 |
chat_manager |
I have to do some more trusting |
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21:53:45 |
David H. Albert |
Ah, yes, family dynamics. Family systems
requires a whole 'nother chat! |
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21:53:57 |
chat_manager |
my background in Child Development gets
me in trouble sometimes |
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21:54:01 |
chat_manager |
LOL |
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21:54:09 |
David H. Albert |
John Holt once said that all of his
life's work could be summed up in two
words: |
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21:54:16 |
David H. Albert |
Trust children. |
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21:54:23 |
chat_manager |
right, so true |
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21:54:28 |
chat_manager |
thanks for the reminder |
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21:54:40 |
David H. Albert |
But I've come to the conclusion that,
for most of us, with the inner schools
inhabiting our minds |
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21:54:48 |
David H. Albert |
That's too difficult. |
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21:54:57 |
chat_manager |
it is difficult |
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21:55:00 |
David H. Albert |
So I've added a word: Trust Children
MORE. |
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21:55:09 |
chat_manager |
Oh, that is beautiful |
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21:55:13 |
David H. Albert |
So who said it should be easy? |
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21:55:23 |
David H. Albert |
ready |
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21:55:27 |
Stacey B |
our son is still young, we decided to
homeschool on our first date. Ever
since he was born we have been trying to
unlearn for ourselves, difficult since
we are both ex teachers. Anyway, I
wonder how to keep from being to
\teachy\"?" |
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21:55:31 |
chat_manager |
No one...that for sure! |
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21:55:53 |
David H. Albert |
Ah, yes. Wall paper the entire house! |
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21:56:00 |
Webmama_Tina |
lol |
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21:56:05 |
David H. Albert |
I have a rule. |
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21:56:08 |
chat_manager |
Upcoming Chatters: my2boys00-03 |
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21:56:14 |
David H. Albert |
Works about 95% of the time. |
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21:56:34 |
David H. Albert |
AS former jailers (sorry), you have a
great advantage... |
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21:56:52 |
David H. Albert |
Figure out in each situation what they
would have done in school.... |
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21:56:58 |
David H. Albert |
And do the opposite. |
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21:57:04 |
David H. Albert |
ready |
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21:57:08 |
my2boys00-03 |
good evening,i have a 7yr son and he was
doing poorly in school with his reading
i got him into a afterschool help
program then we moved and the new school
doesnt offer it,he is falling behind
again in his reading |
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21:57:19 |
hillyb6 |
? |
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21:57:22 |
David H. Albert |
Falling behind whom? |
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21:57:30 |
my2boys00-03 |
i cant afford a tutor and he wont work
with |
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21:57:39 |
my2boys00-03 |
behind their standards for passing or
failing |
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21:57:43 |
my2boys00-03 |
me* |
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21:57:57 |
Webmama_Tina |
3 min left in the chat |
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21:58:03 |
SandraMort |
that was fast! |
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21:58:04 |
Webmama_Tina |
david, do you have time to answer the
last questions? |
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21:58:10 |
David H. Albert |
So...go grocery shopping, and work on
labels! |
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21:58:18 |
my2boys00-03 |
he only plays around when i try to help
him and he still isnt learning anything
from me |
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21:58:19 |
David H. Albert |
I'm not going nowhere. |
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21:58:23 |
my2boys00-03 |
any ideas on how i can get him to learn
with me |
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21:58:39 |
my2boys00-03 |
we have tried and he just ''play
stupid'' like looks and says i dont know |
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21:58:48 |
David H. Albert |
Maybe he doesn't want to learn with you.
(There's a wonderful book called \I
won't learn from you....)" |
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21:59:02 |
my2boys00-03 |
ok so who would you suggest |
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21:59:13 |
David H. Albert |
Assuming that there is no \organic brain
syndrome\", fetal alcohol syndrome,
uncorrected vision problems" |
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21:59:16 |
my2boys00-03 |
his father sint home much due to a nasty
work hours |
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21:59:25 |
my2boys00-03 |
no he is prefectly healthy |
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21:59:28 |
my2boys00-03 |
isnt* |
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21:59:42 |
David H. Albert |
Post-traumatic stress disorder (often
caused by school environments...he
probably has some of that...) |
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21:59:45 |
my2boys00-03 |
he just plays around when we sit and
work on lessons |
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21:59:50 |
David H. Albert |
He WILL learn to read. |
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22:00:15 |
my2boys00-03 |
they said he is on level 11 which he has
to be on level 13 to pass 1st grade |
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22:00:27 |
David H. Albert |
Does he have anything he WANTS to read?
Why would you want to learn to use a
hammer and nail if there was nothing you
wish to learn? |
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22:00:54 |
my2boys00-03 |
we go to the library and he picks books
but isnt really into reading it |
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22:01:04 |
chat_manager |
Upcoming Chatters: hillyb6,
learningbarefoot (then queue is closed) |
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22:01:05 |
David H. Albert |
I have no clue who made up this level 11
or this level 13 or why I should trust
them? You know your kid better than they
do |
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22:01:08 |
my2boys00-03 |
he picks out mostly picture books |
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22:01:09 |
Webmama_Tina |
what about games? |
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22:01:34 |
David H. Albert |
Street signs. Sorting the mail. Videos
from the rental store. |
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22:01:35 |
my2boys00-03 |
i just dont want him to get held back
when i know in my heart he can do it it
is just him giving the bit of eefort |
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22:01:50 |
my2boys00-03 |
effort* |
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22:02:06 |
David H. Albert |
I can't help you with the school stuff. |
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22:02:13 |
David H. Albert |
I can tell you that |
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22:02:15 |
my2boys00-03 |
ok i will cont. to work with him and if
he starts to pull back do i stop and
start another day or push a bit |
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22:02:48 |
David H. Albert |
Those who learn to read at 8 or later
(and don't have the aforementioned
problems) outstrip the early readers, on
average, by age 14. |
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22:02:56 |
Webmama_Tina |
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Games4Learning |
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22:03:02 |
my2boys00-03 |
ty tina |
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22:03:06 |
chat_manager |
Upcoming Chatters: hillyb6,
learningbarefoot |
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22:03:14 |
Webmama_Tina |
and
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GamesForLearning |
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22:03:20 |
David H. Albert |
There is a good reason for that. They
learn to read in the context of their
expanding sense of the world. Ready |
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22:03:32 |
my2boys00-03 |
ty |
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22:03:33 |
hillyb6 |
what does that mean former jailers |
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22:03:34 |
chat_manager |
hillyb6, you are up! |
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22:03:46 |
hillyb6 |
and what doyou mean post tramtic stress
disorder form school |
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22:04:03 |
chat_manager |
Upcoming Chatters: learningbarefoot |
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22:04:04 |
Stacey B |
we were teachers |
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22:04:07 |
hillyb6 |
why would you eqaute school as sending
your child to jail |
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22:04:10 |
learningbarefoot |
LOVED Voyage BTW- my Q: dd5 is
constantly looking to my for direction/
approval, I've been waiting for her
\natural curiousity\" to kick in but
she's content to just participate in
whatever I dream up, I admit to being a
public schooled control-freak," |
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22:04:12 |
David H. Albert |
Sorry! (joke - teachers - don't worry,
my mother was a New York City
schoolteacher for 30 years |
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22:04:24 |
chat_manager |
no, not yet learningbarefoot, hold on... |
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22:04:27 |
learningbarefoot |
I admit to being a public schooled
control-freak, full of ideas, but... |
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22:04:31 |
hillyb6 |
i am a teacher |
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22:04:44 |
David H. Albert |
And when we told her we were
homeschooling, she said, \That's great,
don't you think I know what goes on
there?" |
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22:04:56 |
hillyb6 |
but ia m not a jailer former or
otherwise but arent we all our childresn
teachers |
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22:05:39 |
David H. Albert |
It is compulsory. It is bounded by four
walls. One can't read, talk, write, move
about, sing, dance, or defecate without
permission. I'm sorry for the word, but
I ask you to look at the larger context.
Teachers are wonderful people! |
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22:05:42 |
learningbarefoot |
ok |
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22:06:04 |
David H. Albert |
Stuck inside institutions that don't
treat them, or their charges, very well
(or in a humane manner) |
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22:06:08 |
David H. Albert |
ready |
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22:06:18 |
hillyb6 |
well not all schools are simply that way
my children do alot of free expression
and some wonderful creations on free
time they are given to express
themselves |
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22:06:21 |
Webmama_Tina |
learningbarefoot is the last question i
think? |
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22:06:25 |
chat_manager |
learningbarefoot , you are up |
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22:06:44 |
learningbarefoot |
sorry trying to recopy what I already
typed above |
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22:06:59 |
chat_manager |
my Q: dd5 is constantly looking to my
for direction/ approval, I've been
waiting for her \natural curiousity\" to
kick in but she's content to just
participate in whatever I dream up, I
admit to being a public schooled
control-freak," |
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22:07:01 |
chat_manager |
there you go |
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22:07:07 |
Webmama_Tina |
thanks juliet |
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22:07:10 |
chat_manager |
:p |
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22:07:28 |
learningbarefoot |
but I am constantly waiting to see what
interests her other than being with me |
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22:07:34 |
chat_manager |
a bit tricky to cut and paste in this
chat room |
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22:07:39 |
David H. Albert |
Five is often way too early. Up to age 6
or 7, I suggest lots of car-schooling! |
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22:07:40 |
learningbarefoot |
yes it is |
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22:07:56 |
David H. Albert |
Take them to the places YOU'VE always
wanted to go, but haven't. |
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22:08:29 |
David H. Albert |
If it strikes their fancy, it's a
two-fer. If not, at least you got
something out of it, and you learned
something about what DOESN'T turn her
on! |
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22:08:45 |
learningbarefoot |
sounds great to me, can I give you my
hubby's # |
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22:09:07 |
David H. Albert |
Lots of paint - we've circled around to
the beginning....Jackson Pollack....just
see what sticks. |
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22:09:07 |
Webmama_Tina |
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/carschooling/ |
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22:09:34 |
David H. Albert |
Explore your community. Think of it as
one giant learning library, waiting for
you to enter. |
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22:09:38 |
David H. Albert |
ready |
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22:09:41 |
learningbarefoot |
we justr painted snails yesterday sounds
like we are on track |
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22:09:41 |
Webmama_Tina |
so david you're definitely an
unschooler, eh? :) |
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22:10:03 |
Webmama_Tina |
was that our last question juliet? |
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22:10:19 |
David H. Albert |
Never use the term myself. It explains
nothing. Holt used the words
\homeschooler\" and \"unschooler'
interchangeably. " |
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22:10:31 |
chat_manager |
yes, it was |
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22:10:35 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok |
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22:10:45 |
Webmama_Tina |
so david do you have any links to share
as we wrap this up? |
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22:10:55 |
David H. Albert |
I just think once you've gotten outside
the walls of institution, we have to
seek to get beyond the walls inside our
own heads. |
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22:11:01 |
Webmama_Tina |
your own, of course, and then any that
you recommend that are great resource
sites? |
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22:11:37 |
David H. Albert |
You are welcome to visit my website at
www.skylarksings.com $2.00 off any book
with my name on the cover (and I'll sign
it too); just write \Mothering Chat\" in
the comment line" |
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22:11:51 |
learningbarefoot |
WOOHOO |
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22:11:53 |
David H. Albert |
I love Julie Brennans'
www.livingmath.net |
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22:12:22 |
Webmama_Tina |
i'm looking for sites that have free
online activity type ideas for things to
do with my kiddos...oh i've heard of
that one! i forgot about it! |
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22:12:37 |
David H. Albert |
If you'd like me to visit your
community, just send me an e-mail, or
give me a jingle at 360 352-0506. |
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22:12:49 |
SandraMort |
There' a living math yahoogroups, too. |
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22:12:50 |
Webmama_Tina |
any other similar sites on different
topics? |
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22:12:52 |
David H. Albert |
Living Math is GREAT! |
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22:12:55 |
SandraMort |
David - do you speak here in NYC? |
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22:13:16 |
Webmama_Tina |
like living history or geography or
something like that? i'm always looking
for creative ideas and resources :) |
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22:13:17 |
SandraMort |
I'd come hear you speak (assuming I\m
not in jail LOL )" |
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22:13:57 |
hillyb6 |
hum the jail thing doesnt thrill me |
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22:14:06 |
learningbarefoot |
coming to CA anytime soon? |
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22:14:13 |
hillyb6 |
but them i ahve a trust fund so i can
afford my children to receive therapy as
adult for their trauma in school |
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22:14:20 |
hillyb6 |
screw higher education they get sanity |
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22:14:27 |
David H. Albert |
Believe it or not, I haven't spoken in
NYC since 2000. I'd love to (and have
been trying to get NYCHEA to set it up,
but no luck.) Gonna be all around DC,
Virginia and Maryland, for a series of
\Not Back ot School Events\" first week
in September. Gifted ho" |
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22:14:45 |
David H. Albert |
Gifted Homeschoolers of California will
be setting something up at some point. |
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22:15:05 |
David H. Albert |
I always tell folks to put one dollar in
the therapy fund for every dollar in the
college fund. |
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22:15:19 |
David H. Albert |
Don't worry: whatever you do, you scar
them for life! |
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22:15:24 |
hillyb6 |
yes davidi do lol |
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22:15:30 |
hillyb6 |
oh i will but i am gonna have fun doing
it |
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22:15:35 |
Webmama_Tina |
lol |
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22:15:43 |
chat_manager |
David, do you keep a speaking engagement
calendar on your site? |
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22:15:46 |
hillyb6 |
i tape and wirte down all the bad things
they do so when theyt ell me what a bad
mother iw as i have proff they were bad
kids too |
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22:15:54 |
David H. Albert |
That's the title of my last book - \Have
Fun. Learn Stuff. Grow.\"" |
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22:16:02 |
hillyb6 |
i tell them if they are gonan be screwed
up they better be great screwed up kids |
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22:16:17 |
hillyb6 |
i am writting a book how to screw up
your kid and enjoy every min doing it |
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22:16:21 |
hillyb6 |
its gonna be a best seller |
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22:16:29 |
Webmama_Tina |
thank you so much david! |
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22:16:37 |
Webmama_Tina |
always great chatting with you! |
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22:16:42 |
David H. Albert |
No calendar. I'm terrible with my
website, and can never keep it up to
date. I will be the keynote at the
British Columbia Convention in june.
You're welcome! |
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22:16:42 |
Webmama_Tina |
the transcripts will be up in the next
week or so |
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22:16:44 |
hillyb6 |
top of the list put cunderwear on your
kids head so the leg holes are over
their ears and they cant get it off |
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22:16:45 |
learningbarefoot |
yes thank you, I have loved your books,
it's why I chose to homeschool |
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22:16:48 |
Webmama_Tina |
if you are on the egroup i will post
when they are up |
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22:17:04 |
David H. Albert |
That's a scary thought! (LOL!) |
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22:17:04 |
Webmama_Tina |
Please join the Mommy Chats egroup at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mommychats
to receive notices about upcoming chats
and changes to Mommy Chats. |
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22:17:30 |
sagira |
Thanks |
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22:17:36 |
learningbarefoot |
thanks tina |
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22:17:47 |
Stacey B |
thank you for hosting this |
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22:17:49 |
Webmama_Tina |
thank you all for coming! |
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22:17:59 |
Webmama_Tina |
time for me to go work on dinner for my
family! |
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22:18:08 |
Stacey B |
umm how do I leave? |
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22:18:15 |
David H. Albert |
Me too! (I do all the cooking...) |
