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21:07:42 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok start throwing your question marks out
now...dala is first... |
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21:07:48 |
Dayna Martin |
I have mixed feelings (about Dr. Phil show)
because although I was proud to represent
Unschoolers, the way they put together the
video footage.. |
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21:07:52 |
Dayna Martin |
k tina |
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21:08:02 |
Daladyaphrodite |
that is what I heard, Dayna |
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21:08:04 |
Webmama_Tina |
go for it dayna |
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21:08:12 |
Dayna Martin |
was a bit misleading |
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21:08:15 |
Daladyaphrodite |
one of the lists I'm on was complaining
about his representation |
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21:08:16 |
Dayna Martin |
better? |
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21:08:21 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter up: Daladyaphrodite |
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21:08:39 |
Daladyaphrodite |
ok |
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21:08:43 |
Daladyaphrodite |
that was my question! |
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21:08:55 |
Webmama_Tina |
yup |
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21:09:01 |
Dayna Martin |
Ya, well, I knew he wouldn't be supportive
of Unschooling.. |
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21:09:08 |
Dayna Martin |
He was better than I thought he would be
though! |
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21:09:16 |
bennersmom |
? |
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21:09:36 |
Dayna Martin |
Did that answer your ? Dala? |
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21:09:39 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: Daladyaphrodite
....upcoming chatters: bennersmom |
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21:09:49 |
Dayna Martin |
Next ? |
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21:09:57 |
Webmama_Tina |
go for it benner |
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21:10:13 |
bennersmom |
I probably should have done my homework, but
could you just talk briefly about what
unschooling is? |
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21:10:38 |
Dayna Martin |
Unschooling has many definitions.. |
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21:10:53 |
bennersmom |
simple is good! |
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21:10:53 |
Dayna Martin |
Child-led learning....passion-driven
learning... |
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21:11:07 |
Dayna Martin |
Natural, organic learning |
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21:11:13 |
Dayna Martin |
Free-range learning.... |
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21:11:16 |
Dayna Martin |
I could go on :) |
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21:11:21 |
bennersmom |
Does this take place at home? |
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21:11:44 |
Dayna Martin |
Well, it is using the world as your child's
classroom, instead of your kitchen table |
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21:11:55 |
bennersmom |
But parent as teacher? |
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21:12:17 |
my2boys00-03 |
? |
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21:12:35 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: bennersmom ....upcoming
chatters: my2boys00-03 |
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21:12:45 |
Dayna Martin |
I do not consider myself my children's
teacher. I am their facilitator |
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21:13:00 |
Dayna Martin |
I give them as much of the world as possible |
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21:13:10 |
Bethn2kids |
am i in the unschooling chat |
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21:13:11 |
Webmama_Tina |
dang it i forgot to turn off the notices,
sorry. i'll do that now and anyone that is
annoyed by all the comings and goings can
refresh to make them go away when i get it
done...i'll tell you when its done... |
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21:13:15 |
Webmama_Tina |
yes beth |
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21:13:20 |
Webmama_Tina |
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21:13:35 |
bennersmom |
Do your kids attend a school though? |
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21:13:42 |
ajschaab |
? |
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21:13:52 |
Dayna Martin |
If you do a search for Unschooling, you will
find lots of great info.. www.sandradodd.com
is one of my favorite resources. |
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21:14:00 |
Dayna Martin |
No bennersmom |
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21:14:01 |
bennersmom |
Great, thanks... |
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21:14:18 |
Dayna Martin |
next ? |
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21:14:23 |
my2boys00-03 |
hi |
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21:14:28 |
my2boys00-03 |
i have a question |
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21:14:29 |
Daladyaphrodite |
? |
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21:15:05 |
my2boys00-03 |
and this is not to offend but i dont
understand how you can say unschooling it a
good idea honestly they need to be taught
and not just let them go |
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21:15:06 |
Dayna Martin |
anytime.. |
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21:15:10 |
Webmama_Tina |
sorry got distracted by daddy's
homecoming....my2, you're up |
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21:15:20 |
Dayna Martin |
no sweat Tina ;) |
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21:15:28 |
my2boys00-03 |
if you are saying that they learn from the
world and dont need to be actually taught |
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21:15:39 |
my2boys00-03 |
what is the differance in pt and dressing as
this? |
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21:16:00 |
my2boys00-03 |
you need to be taught to learn with
everything in this life you arent born
knowing everything |
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21:16:12 |
Dayna Martin |
It is a belief in HOW children learn best |
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21:16:32 |
Dayna Martin |
You didn't have to be taught how to walk and
talk |
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21:16:34 |
my2boys00-03 |
ok but if you dont teach them how do they
learn to add subtract |
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21:16:38 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: my2boys00-03 ....upcoming
chatters: ajschaab, Daladyaphrodite |
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21:16:44 |
Dayna Martin |
Hands on learning... |
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21:16:48 |
Bethn2kids |
my dd learns best at school since she is
autistic tho how do they teach children with
diabilities |
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21:16:50 |
Dayna Martin |
Like at the grocery store |
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21:16:52 |
my2boys00-03 |
dayna i adisagree a baby doesnt come out
walking |
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21:17:04 |
Dayna Martin |
They don't take walking lessons |
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21:17:09 |
Dayna Martin |
do they? |
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21:17:14 |
my2boys00-03 |
you teach them |
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21:17:17 |
Daladyaphrodite |
*chuckle* |
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21:17:24 |
my2boys00-03 |
you hold there hand you guide them |
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21:17:25 |
Fabu |
hey dayna |
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21:17:30 |
Dayna Martin |
No, actually, they would walk whether you
\taught\" them on not" |
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21:17:46 |
Dayna Martin |
Next ? |
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21:17:53 |
Fabu |
i have a babay boy, i sm very interested in
what i read about you about unschooling |
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21:17:57 |
Bethn2kids |
dayna i spoke to soon for my ??? |
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21:17:59 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: ajschaab,....upcoming
chatters: Daladyaphrodite |
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21:18:04 |
Webmama_Tina |
fabu, we're taking turns |
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21:18:08 |
Webmama_Tina |
i'll add you to the queue |
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21:18:14 |
Fabu |
ok |
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21:18:16 |
Webmama_Tina |
if you have a question :) |
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21:18:17 |
louisa123$ |
? |
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21:18:21 |
Bethn2kids |
? |
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21:18:23 |
my2boys00-03 |
hi lulu |
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21:18:25 |
ajschaab |
I am leaning heavily towards homeschooling /
unschooling but am afraid of failing /
changing my mind when they are older (have a
4 year old and 8 mos old) |
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21:18:34 |
ajschaab |
How do you stay confident in your decision? |
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21:18:37 |
Dayna Martin |
Beth..were you next? |
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21:18:43 |
Bethn2kids |
not sure |
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21:18:56 |
Bethn2kids |
how do they teach a disabled child |
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21:19:19 |
Bethn2kids |
like my dd who is a high functioning
autisitic borderline adhd child |
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21:19:25 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: ajschaab....upcoming
chatters: Daladyaphrodite, Fabu, louisa123$,
Bethn2kids |
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21:19:26 |
Dayna Martin |
WHo do you mean by \they\"?" |
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21:19:34 |
Bethn2kids |
to me she learns best at school arround
peers |
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21:19:40 |
Fabu |
do you recommend unschooling until they are
able to decide or until when? |
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21:19:41 |
Bethn2kids |
ty tina |
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21:19:42 |
Webmama_Tina |
ajschaab is up |
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21:19:48 |
Dayna Martin |
You know what is best for your child Beth |
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21:20:10 |
Bethn2kids |
do u have a home plan tho for disabled kids |
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21:20:25 |
Dayna Martin |
Fabu, it really depends on the whole family
dynamic. It is such an individual decision |
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21:20:34 |
Bethn2kids |
i could use some tips on that at times i am
lost she gets agitated |
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21:20:57 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: ajschaab....upcoming
chatters: Daladyaphrodite, Fabu, louisa123$,
Bethn2kids |
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21:20:58 |
Dayna Martin |
I do not have any personal experience with
that Beth, but I can give you contact
information for someone who can help you. |
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21:21:03 |
Fabu |
what did you do in your case for example? |
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21:21:20 |
Webmama_Tina |
mamas, ajschaab is up right now, lets let
her get her question answered and we will
get to all of yours...we still have time :) |
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21:21:21 |
Fabu |
with your 3 children? |
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21:21:25 |
Bethn2kids |
cool dayba |
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21:21:30 |
Bethn2kids |
dayna |
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21:21:45 |
Dayna Martin |
Beth, I know it is a fabulous option for
many families in your situation. |
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21:22:14 |
Dayna Martin |
Tina? |
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21:22:20 |
Bethn2kids |
dayna i struggle since i never did well in
school i rread and read and do what the
experts say or advice or at least try |
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21:22:22 |
Webmama_Tina |
yes? |
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21:22:25 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: ajschaab....upcoming
chatters: Daladyaphrodite, Fabu, louisa123$,
Bethn2kids |
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21:22:30 |
ajschaab |
My question is posted at 6:18. Also, I know
the grandparents will freak when I break the
\news\". 1 or 2 great tips for handling
the reaction?" |
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21:22:50 |
Webmama_Tina |
here: |
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21:22:52 |
Webmama_Tina |
[ajschaab] I am leaning heavily towards
homeschooling / unschooling but am afraid of
failing / changing my mind when they are
older (have a 4 year old and 8 mos old) 6:18
PM [ajschaab] How do you stay confident in
your decision? |
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21:23:02 |
Dayna Martin |
ajschaab, please post your original ? |
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21:23:09 |
Dayna Martin |
thanks |
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21:23:22 |
Dayna Martin |
Just trust them |
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21:23:37 |
Dayna Martin |
Trust is such a big part of it |
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21:23:49 |
Dayna Martin |
You stay confident by surrounding yourself
with others who are parenting this way |
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21:23:55 |
Dayna Martin |
Whether online or in real life |
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21:24:09 |
Ames |
. |
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21:24:09 |
Dayna Martin |
Immersing yourself in this life gives you
confidence |
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21:24:17 |
Bethn2kids |
? |
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21:24:21 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: ajschaab....upcoming
chatters: Daladyaphrodite, Fabu, louisa123$,
Bethn2kids |
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21:24:59 |
Bethn2kids |
is there a site with other parents with a
disabled child for teaching mechanisms |
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21:25:17 |
Dayna Martin |
Also, are you asking how the grandparents
will react to telling them you are going to
be homeschooling or Unschooling? |
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21:25:21 |
mdlindholm |
? |
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21:25:43 |
ajschaab |
I know they are going to be unhappy to say
the least, so I am not sure how to prepare
myself for the defense. |
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21:25:43 |
Dayna Martin |
Beth, email me at jd3martin@adelphia.net for
that info |
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21:26:09 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok the exits and entrances are turned off
now...anyone who wants to make them go away
will need to refresh this page and then log
back in |
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21:26:18 |
Dayna Martin |
You don't owe them any explaination |
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21:26:29 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: ajschaab....upcoming
chatters: Daladyaphrodite, Fabu, louisa123$,
Bethn2kids |
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21:26:36 |
Ames |
. |
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21:26:46 |
Dayna Martin |
wish I had auto-spell check/ ;) |
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21:26:47 |
Webmama_Tina |
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21:26:50 |
mdlindholm |
? |
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21:27:07 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: ajschaab....upcoming
chatters: Daladyaphrodite, Fabu, louisa123$,
Bethn2kids, mdlindholm |
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21:27:27 |
ajschaab |
Thank you, Dayna. |
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21:27:27 |
Webmama_Tina |
ready for the next question? |
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21:27:33 |
Webmama_Tina |
dala...you're next! |
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21:27:38 |
Dayna Martin |
I hope that helped.. |
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21:27:44 |
Daladyaphrodite |
Curious to know how you keep tabs on where
your kids are at as far as knowledge goes.
While I love the idea of unschooling, I do
live in a state that has some pretty serious
guidelines about things and I'm curious how
you go about fulfilling those kinds o |
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21:27:53 |
Daladyaphrodite |
Ex: Math...anything beyond basic adding and
subracting and mulitplication and
devision...how do you go about teaching them
that? |
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21:27:59 |
Fabu |
hey dayna i am also interested in how to
handle the grandparents`reaction. i know we
dont owe them but there is a lot of social
pressure about it, and for example i live in
mexico and it is not so \liberal\"
especially grandparents" |
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21:28:15 |
Dayna Martin |
I hear you.. |
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21:28:19 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: Daladyaphrodite....upcoming
chatters: Fabu, louisa123$, Bethn2kids,
mdlindholm |
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21:28:23 |
Dayna Martin |
It is tough where grandparents are concerned |
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21:28:41 |
Bethn2kids |
k back silly pc |
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21:28:43 |
Dayna Martin |
Either they get it and they educate
themselves about it, or they tend to turn
their backs |
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21:28:51 |
my2boys00-03 |
. |
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21:29:03 |
Dayna Martin |
Dala... |
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21:29:06 |
Daladyaphrodite |
yes |
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21:29:13 |
Daladyaphrodite |
you need me to repost? |
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21:29:21 |
Dayna Martin |
With Unschooling, you do not grade |
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21:29:27 |
Daladyaphrodite |
I know |
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21:29:30 |
Daladyaphrodite |
tha'ts not what I'm asking |
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21:29:43 |
Dayna Martin |
so you do not really get a peek into their
minds in the way that conventionally
schooled kids, |
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21:29:48 |
Daladyaphrodite |
I dont' care about grades, I want to know
how you deal with fulfilling state
requirements so you don't go to jail |
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21:29:50 |
Dayna Martin |
or traditionally homeschooled kids do |
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21:30:24 |
Daladyaphrodite |
I mean, do you approach it in a summerhill
fashion? |
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21:30:30 |
Dayna Martin |
Some do |
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21:30:34 |
Daladyaphrodite |
and keep recordds without their knowledge? |
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21:30:38 |
Dayna Martin |
There are lots of ways to go about it |
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21:30:40 |
Daladyaphrodite |
how do you keep from going to jail? |
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21:30:43 |
my2boys00-03 |
summerhill? |
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21:30:48 |
Dayna Martin |
We Unschool leagally |
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21:31:02 |
Daladyaphrodite |
I mean, frankly, in maryland, you have to
meet certain requirements or you can't
homeschool..and unschooling is def.
homeschool here |
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21:31:03 |
Daladyaphrodite |
now |
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21:31:07 |
Dayna Martin |
We have a basic idea of what the kids need
to know..from say the book, :What every
first grader needs to know\"
2006-12-13" |
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21:31:20 |
Dayna Martin |
Then we strew information they may be
interested in around.. |
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21:31:28 |
Daladyaphrodite |
but...that's all to easy when they are in
gradeschool |
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21:31:50 |
Daladyaphrodite |
I mean, any one that can read can teach
their kids elementary stuff |
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21:31:52 |
Dayna Martin |
They come across the topic, and we learn
together about it |
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21:31:53 |
Daladyaphrodite |
as long as they learn to read |
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21:32:00 |
Daladyaphrodite |
they can learn anything at home...but
algebra? |
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21:32:06 |
Dayna Martin |
I'm having a hard time |
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21:32:10 |
Dayna Martin |
following all the questions |
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21:32:16 |
Daladyaphrodite |
it's just one |
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21:32:20 |
Dayna Martin |
I dont know what to answer |
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21:32:31 |
Daladyaphrodite |
how do you make sure your children know what
they need to know so the state is happy and
you don't go to jail |
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21:32:31 |
Webmama_Tina |
just dala right now |
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21:32:39 |
Dayna Martin |
I would love to answer you though :) |
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21:32:50 |
Daladyaphrodite |
... |
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21:32:58 |
Dayna Martin |
We hire an Unschooling friendly evaluator |
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21:33:14 |
Daladyaphrodite |
hire? I thought they were assigned by the
school board? |
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21:33:36 |
Dayna Martin |
They are certified by the school board, but
not hired out by them' |
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21:33:43 |
Dayna Martin |
They are free-agents |
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21:34:00 |
Daladyaphrodite |
and I realize that is easy peasy when in
elementary level...but what about highschool
level stuff? Does the evaluator work with
the unschooler? How does it work? |
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21:34:17 |
Dayna Martin |
You hire an evaluator, they come over and we
show them the books we've been reading,
magazines, art.. |
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21:34:22 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: Daladyaphrodite....upcoming
chatters: Fabu, louisa123$, Bethn2kids,
mdlindholm |
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21:34:24 |
Dayna Martin |
Yes.. |
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21:34:25 |
Daladyaphrodite |
Ok |
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21:34:33 |
Daladyaphrodite |
so....how old are your unschooling kids? |
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21:34:34 |
my2boys00-03 |
. |
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21:34:47 |
Dayna Martin |
2, 5, and almost 8 |
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21:34:49 |
Dayna Martin |
young |
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21:34:50 |
Daladyaphrodite |
just trying to get an idea here of how you
are handling this... |
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21:34:51 |
Daladyaphrodite |
ok |
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21:34:55 |
Daladyaphrodite |
that explains it. |
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21:35:01 |
Dayna Martin |
no problem Dala |
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21:35:05 |
Daladyaphrodite |
so when it comes to things like trig, you
haven't gotten that far yet |
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21:35:06 |
Dayna Martin |
next ? |
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21:35:11 |
Daladyaphrodite |
fair enough |
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21:35:11 |
Dayna Martin |
No lol! |
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21:35:16 |
Fabu |
dayna |
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21:35:22 |
Dayna Martin |
I will hire a tutor though if one of my kids
wants to know about it |
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21:35:28 |
Daladyaphrodite |
*nods* |
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21:35:30 |
ajschaab |
? |
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21:35:35 |
Dayna Martin |
yes Fabu |
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21:35:37 |
Fabu |
can you tell us how the experinece has been
for you |
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21:35:55 |
Dayna Martin |
On the Dr. Phil show, or Unschooling in
general? |
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21:35:55 |
my2boys00-03 |
tina can you check your pm please |
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21:35:58 |
Fabu |
i mean how they adapt around other children |
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21:36:02 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: Fabu....upcoming chatters:
louisa123$, Bethn2kids, mdlindholm,
ajschaab |
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21:36:10 |
Dayna Martin |
Sure.. |
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21:36:25 |
Fabu |
unschooling in general |
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21:36:25 |
louisa123$ |
? |
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21:36:29 |
Dayna Martin |
My children are so easily adaptable in any
social situation |
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21:36:39 |
HaydensMom |
can you stick me in there Tina? thank you |
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21:36:42 |
Dayna Martin |
We have so many different types of people in
our life |
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21:36:52 |
Fabu |
ok they like unschooling |
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21:36:55 |
Dayna Martin |
Some are schooled kids, some private
schooled, some homeschooled |
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21:37:09 |
Fabu |
they have never asked you to take them to a
regular school? |
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21:37:14 |
Dayna Martin |
Yes, they love their lives from what they
tell me |
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21:37:18 |
Dayna Martin |
No |
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21:37:28 |
Dayna Martin |
Dakota wanted to see inside a school bus
once though |
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21:37:36 |
Dayna Martin |
I took her to see one |
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21:37:38 |
Dayna Martin |
:) |
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21:37:53 |
Dayna Martin |
next? |
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21:38:06 |
louisa123$ |
whats the order tina? |
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21:38:18 |
Fabu |
ok, cause we are seriously thinking about it
but we yhink about the social consequences
for him |
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21:38:21 |
Msmom |
a |
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21:38:24 |
Fabu |
or benefits |
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21:38:40 |
my2boys00-03 |
tina lulu has internet problems and gets
booted alot |
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21:38:48 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: louisa123$....upcoming
chatters: , Bethn2kids, mdlindholm,
ajschaab, HaydensMom |
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21:38:54 |
Dayna Martin |
Fabu, there are so many other ways to meet a
child's social needs than school |
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21:39:07 |
Webmama_Tina |
louisa is up next |
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21:39:09 |
Fabu |
ok thanks |
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21:39:14 |
Dayna Martin |
no problem |
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21:39:19 |
louisa123$ |
my turn? |
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21:39:20 |
Dayna Martin |
thanks for your ? |
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21:39:22 |
Dayna Martin |
yes |
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21:39:22 |
my2boys00-03 |
yes |
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21:40:02 |
louisa123$ |
ok well when the kids get older, like around
junior high and high school how do you teach
them algebra? |
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21:40:10 |
Daladyaphrodite |
LOLOL |
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21:40:25 |
louisa123$ |
and other types of math that come up in
school but not ususally every day |
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21:40:48 |
Webmama_Tina |
i think louisa missed dala's question |
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21:40:49 |
Dayna Martin |
If they have a need to know algebra, I will
give them whatever resources available for
them to choose from to learn it. |
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21:40:56 |
Webmama_Tina |
because of the internet issues |
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21:40:59 |
Daladyaphrodite |
I think she just got booted, that's all |
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21:41:05 |
Webmama_Tina |
right |
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21:41:10 |
louisa123$ |
oh oops sorry! |
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21:41:13 |
Webmama_Tina |
no worries |
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21:41:16 |
Daladyaphrodite |
not your fault, lol |
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21:41:23 |
Daladyaphrodite |
I just found it funny, sorry :P |
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21:41:33 |
louisa123$ |
so was the answer what dayna just said? |
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21:41:38 |
Webmama_Tina |
yes |
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21:41:42 |
Daladyaphrodite |
essentially |
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21:41:45 |
louisa123$ |
oh ok thanks! |
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21:41:45 |
Webmama_Tina |
did that answer your question? |
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21:41:48 |
Webmama_Tina |
:) |
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21:42:04 |
Dayna Martin |
Some of those resources might be a tutor, a
computer program, taking that one class at
the local high school...ect.. |
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21:42:05 |
louisa123$ |
yep pretty much thanks! |
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21:42:06 |
my2boys00-03 |
? |
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21:42:23 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: Bethn2kids ....upcoming
chatters: mdlindholm, ajschaab, HaydensMom |
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21:42:28 |
Dayna Martin |
The point it, my child will choose HOW to
learn it |
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21:42:32 |
Webmama_Tina |
beth is up next |
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21:42:39 |
my2boys00-03 |
? |
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21:42:43 |
Dayna Martin |
It's my job to give them all the different
mediums to choose from.. |
|
21:42:48 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: Bethn2kids ....upcoming
chatters: mdlindholm, ajschaab, HaydensMom,
my2boys00-03 |
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21:42:49 |
Daladyaphrodite |
? |
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21:42:49 |
Dayna Martin |
next? |
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21:43:15 |
Webmama_Tina |
right, give them an incredibly enriching
environment and they can't HELP but learn!
:) |
|
21:43:20 |
Abimommy |
Beth is not here |
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21:43:24 |
Webmama_Tina |
oh woops |
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21:43:29 |
Dayna Martin |
Right Tina! |
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21:44:16 |
Dayna Martin |
next? |
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21:44:19 |
HaydensMom |
mdlinholm right? |
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21:44:19 |
Webmama_Tina |
md is next |
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21:44:25 |
mdlindholm |
What about college? Do you support that if
that's what they want and how do they get
in? SAT scores are a college admission
requirement. |
|
21:44:47 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: mdlindholm ....upcoming
chatters: ajschaab, HaydensMom,
my2boys00-03, Daladyaphrodite |
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21:44:52 |
Dayna Martin |
Yes, and Unschoolers I know of have all done
amazingly well on SAT's! |
|
21:45:36 |
mdlindholm |
So this has been around for awhile? This is
the first I've heard of it. It's alot to
absorb, but very interesting! |
|
21:45:40 |
Dayna Martin |
I have no doubt if my child wants to go to
college, they will learn all they need to to
get in..If that is their goal, I am there,
by their side to facilitate that |
|
21:46:15 |
Dayna Martin |
It's been around forever! Schools have only
been around 175 years! |
|
21:46:23 |
Daladyaphrodite |
*chuckle* |
|
21:46:28 |
Dayna Martin |
It's how we as humans learned before school! |
|
21:46:30 |
mdlindholm |
How do you get in the frame of mind to do
this? Are there books on how-to or
resources available? |
|
21:46:50 |
Dayna Martin |
Yes, John Holt is an amazing resource |
|
21:47:07 |
Daladyaphrodite |
oooh, thanks for the tip (makes mental note) |
|
21:47:11 |
Dayna Martin |
It does take a long time and a total shift
in perception to live this way |
|
21:47:25 |
Dayna Martin |
I didn't always think like this! |
|
21:47:38 |
Dayna Martin |
If you would have told me about Unschooling
10 years ago...I would have laughed! |
|
21:47:45 |
mdlindholm |
How did the shift occur for you? |
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21:47:50 |
Webmama_Tina |
ohhhh, LOVE john holt |
|
21:48:03 |
mdlindholm |
gotta check him out! |
|
21:48:07 |
Dayna Martin |
Having children, reading a lot and really
remembering what it was like to be a child
in this culture. |
|
21:48:29 |
Dayna Martin |
We do not live in a very child-friendly
culture over all. |
|
21:48:39 |
Webmama_Tina |
aj is next |
|
21:48:40 |
mdlindholm |
I agree! |
|
21:49:04 |
Dayna Martin |
I would also recommend reading Rue Kreams
book, \Parenting a Free Child; An Unschooled
Life\"" |
|
21:49:12 |
Dayna Martin |
Awesome book! and a friend of mine ;) |
|
21:49:26 |
Dayna Martin |
next ? |
|
21:49:28 |
ajschaab |
I just re-read your Mothering bio again.
How do you define 'joyful living' ? I find
I have such a hard time being mindful and
enjoying things, although I really love
being a mother. How do you stay joyful and
positive? |
|
21:49:39 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: ajschaab ....upcoming
chatters: HaydensMom, my2boys00-03,
Daladyaphrodite |
|
21:49:43 |
mdlindholm |
I will definitely be doing some reading on
this as I have considered homeschooling for
my son, thanks! |
|
21:49:45 |
Dayna Martin |
Well, by focusing on that being our goal
everyday |
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21:49:58 |
Dayna Martin |
mdlindholm, my pleasure! Thanks! |
|
21:50:14 |
Dayna Martin |
Every single day, our goal is to do things
we love doing.. |
|
21:50:22 |
Dayna Martin |
We stive for Joy |
|
21:50:26 |
Dayna Martin |
strive |
|
21:50:27 |
Dayna Martin |
sorry |
|
21:50:32 |
Webmama_Tina |
here's the blurb from mothering on this
chat...which has info on dayna...forgot to
post it earlier, sorry mamas! ---- |
|
21:50:43 |
Webmama_Tina |
Dayna Martin is a Natural Parenting
Advocate, Natural Childbirth Educator,
Breastfeeding Counselor, Certified Doula,
and founder of The Babywearing Project. She
is also a freelance writer who has been
published in Live Free, Learn Free magazine
and Life Learning magazine. She has three
\truly free\" children and a peacefully-loud
husband whom she lives and learns with
everyday. Their family recently appeared on
\"The Dr. Phil Show\" introducing mainstream
society to the ideals of radical
unschooling. Join Dayna for a chat to
discuss and learn how radical unschooling is
a natural extension of attachment parenting
for many. She is happy to answer any
questions anyone has about respectful,
peaceful parenting, joyful living and
unschooling. Join us for a lively discussion
about her views regarding the paradigm shift
taking place in our culture when it comes to
parenting and education. " |
|
21:50:48 |
Dayna Martin |
We live life pursuing our passions |
|
21:50:56 |
Dayna Martin |
In doing so, we learn so much along the way |
|
21:51:04 |
Dayna Martin |
We choose happiness to be our goal |
|
21:51:12 |
ajschaab |
I have a hard time balancing the things my
children love with the things I love. Often
they converge, but not always. |
|
21:51:28 |
Dayna Martin |
That is the challenge to this type of living
aj |
|
21:51:43 |
Dayna Martin |
Getting creative and finding ways to
mutually meeting everyones needs |
|
21:51:57 |
ajschaab |
Such as? |
|
21:52:01 |
Dayna Martin |
In doing so you model peace and compromise |
|
21:52:18 |
Dayna Martin |
If you give me an example, I could tell you
how I would handle it |
|
21:52:22 |
Dayna Martin |
brb |
|
21:53:25 |
Dayna Martin |
back |
|
21:53:30 |
Webmama_Tina |
7min left in our chat... |
|
21:53:48 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: ajschaab ....upcoming
chatters: HaydensMom, my2boys00-03,
Daladyaphrodite |
|
21:53:55 |
Dayna Martin |
I can go till Joe gets home with the kids.. |
|
21:54:00 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok |
|
21:54:21 |
ajschaab |
Overall, I just can't carve out 'me time'
lately. I know my children are only this
young once, but I still feel a need to do my
own creative thing and that need is not
getting met right now. |
|
21:54:41 |
Dayna Martin |
You have to find a way to meet that need
along side of your children |
|
21:54:53 |
Dayna Martin |
It is important to model and show them you
have interests and learning never ends! |
|
21:55:04 |
Webmama_Tina |
Welcome to this week's Mothering Sponsored
chat! This is a moderated chat. Please make
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|
21:55:19 |
Dayna Martin |
You have to meet your needs at the same time
you meet yours, so they value you are much
as themselves. |
|
21:55:35 |
Dayna Martin |
That should have sai |
|
21:55:41 |
Dayna Martin |
at the same time you meet theirs..sorry |
|
21:56:17 |
Dayna Martin |
It's not easy..but you have to make it a
priority. If you only meet their needs all
day, your cup gets empty! |
|
21:56:22 |
danapele |
? |
|
21:56:27 |
ajschaab |
I got it. Thanks! Very honorable and
far-reaching goals. |
|
21:56:30 |
Dayna Martin |
To be a good Mom, you have to keep your own
cup full! |
|
21:56:34 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: ajschaab ....upcoming
chatters: HaydensMom, my2boys00-03,
Daladyaphrodite, danapele |
|
21:56:58 |
Dayna Martin |
aj..hope that helps |
|
21:57:04 |
HaydensMom |
ok..... here's the big question..... Growing
up, we're always told that math, english,
and all these things that are hard for
children (or that they really have to work
at) is excorsise for their brains... it
makes the brain stronger.......(more) |
|
21:57:06 |
Webmama_Tina |
haydensmom, you're next! :) |
|
21:57:12 |
Dayna Martin |
Value meeting YOUR needs as much as you do
meeting theirs.. |
|
21:57:25 |
HaydensMom |
does this relaxed way of teaching do
this??????? |
|
21:57:26 |
Dayna Martin |
ok |
|
21:57:32 |
Dayna Martin |
YES! |
|
21:57:33 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: HaydensMom ....upcoming
chatters: my2boys00-03, Daladyaphrodite,
danapele |
|
21:57:36 |
Dayna Martin |
more.. |
|
21:57:39 |
HaydensMom |
how? |
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21:57:48 |
Dayna Martin |
because all of those things you mention are
tools! |
|
21:57:55 |
Dayna Martin |
Tools we use every day in the real world |
|
21:58:06 |
Dayna Martin |
They are taken out of context in school, so
they are so hard to learn! |
|
21:58:13 |
HaydensMom |
do you think the kids are really doing
things that are hard for them??? because i
think that's important |
|
21:58:38 |
Dayna Martin |
In the real world, with real meaning, they
take SO much less time to learn |
|
21:58:59 |
Dayna Martin |
Why are hard things important to you? |
|
21:59:10 |
HaydensMom |
like yes.... climbing a tree is hard.... IS
THIS AN EQUIVALENT BRAIN EXCORCISE? |
|
21:59:18 |
HaydensMom |
I guess I feel it's healthy |
|
21:59:31 |
Dayna Martin |
Well, things are only defined \Hard\" when
it comes to forced learning" |
|
21:59:37 |
HaydensMom |
it makes them try harder in life on other
things |
|
21:59:40 |
Dayna Martin |
Things are never hard to learn if they are
fun |
|
21:59:50 |
Dayna Martin |
They are enjoyable to learn |
|
21:59:56 |
Dayna Martin |
Pleasure-driven learning... |
|
22:00:01 |
Webmama_Tina |
challenging |
|
22:00:07 |
HaydensMom |
good views........ i'm interested |
|
22:00:13 |
HaydensMom |
thank you very much |
|
22:00:15 |
Dayna Martin |
It works...really |
|
22:00:28 |
Dayna Martin |
It is just a whole different paradigm |
|
22:00:36 |
Dayna Martin |
Your welcome |
|
22:00:48 |
HaydensMom |
it's wonderful... I just hope it's healthy |
|
22:00:50 |
Webmama_Tina |
my2 isn't answering my PM, so i think dala
is up again |
|
22:01:02 |
Daladyaphrodite |
My question got answered |
|
22:01:03 |
Dayna Martin |
Healthy, in what way? |
|
22:01:05 |
DoulaKandee |
hey everyone :) |
|
22:01:10 |
Daladyaphrodite |
hi kandee |
|
22:01:10 |
Dayna Martin |
next? |
|
22:01:22 |
Webmama_Tina |
hi kandee! |
|
22:01:25 |
Webmama_Tina |
Welcome to this week's Mothering Sponsored
chat! This is a moderated chat. Please make
sure you read and fully understand the
Moderated Chat Instructions before
participating in this chat. Instructions can
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Friendly Reminder: Please do not post unless
it is your turn to ask a question. If you
have a question, please post a single \?\"
and you'll be added to the queue. Have your
question ready when your name is called. " |
|
22:01:29 |
DoulaKandee |
what's topic?? am i interupting |
|
22:01:31 |
DoulaKandee |
nm LOL |
|
22:01:40 |
DoulaKandee |
who is our guest? |
|
22:01:43 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: Daladyaphrodite
....upcoming chatters: danapele |
|
22:01:55 |
Webmama_Tina |
Dayna Martin is a Natural Parenting
Advocate, Natural Childbirth Educator,
Breastfeeding Counselor, Certified Doula,
and founder of The Babywearing Project. She
is also a freelance writer who has been
published in Live Free, Learn Free magazine
and Life Learning magazine. She has three
\truly free\" children and a peacefully-loud
husband whom she lives and learns with
everyday. Their family recently appeared on
\"The Dr. Phil Show\" introducing mainstream
society to the ideals of radical
unschooling. Join Dayna for a chat to
discuss and learn how radical unschooling is
a natural extension of attachment parenting
for many. She is happy to answer any
questions anyone has about respectful,
peaceful parenting, joyful living and
unschooling. Join us for a lively discussion
about her views regarding the paradigm shift
taking place in our culture when it comes to
parenting and education. " |
|
22:01:58 |
Daladyaphrodite |
Dana, please feel freee...I had my question
answered |
|
22:01:58 |
Webmama_Tina |
:) |
|
22:02:01 |
Webmama_Tina |
for you kandee! :) |
|
22:02:05 |
Dayna Martin |
next ? |
|
22:02:15 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok then, danapele, you're up! |
|
22:02:16 |
Dayna Martin |
thanks Dala |
|
22:02:23 |
Daladyaphrodite |
np, thank you |
|
22:02:32 |
DoulaKandee |
thanks tina!! Welcome Dayna! :) |
|
22:02:38 |
danapele |
do you find the free learning lifestyle to
be chaotic in terms of mess? in the house? |
|
22:02:41 |
Dayna Martin |
Thanks.. |
|
22:02:47 |
Dayna Martin |
Oh yes dana! |
|
22:02:52 |
Dayna Martin |
It is So part of it! |
|
22:03:03 |
Dayna Martin |
Our house is like a workshop and I have to
honor that |
|
22:03:17 |
Dayna Martin |
It is not a museum of all of our \Things\"
like most people" |
|
22:03:23 |
DoulaKandee |
lol |
|
22:03:31 |
danapele |
i find that too, that my need for control
over SOMETHING gets in the way of enjoyable
learning |
|
22:03:50 |
Dayna Martin |
Yes..it has been a journey for me to get to
this place with the house |
|
22:03:54 |
danapele |
so just let the house go? i have housemates
so i'm concerned about their needs too |
|
22:04:15 |
Dayna Martin |
No, but I realized that MY need to have a
clean house was not the need of everyone who
lives here |
|
22:04:24 |
Daladyaphrodite |
goodnight, ladies |
|
22:04:25 |
danapele |
true that! thanks |
|
22:04:25 |
Dayna Martin |
Not that my house isn't clean |
|
22:04:43 |
HaydensMom |
cleaning is lifelearning as well......right? |
|
22:04:56 |
Dayna Martin |
It just isn's as clean as I would like it in
an ideal world. :) |
|
22:05:17 |
danapele |
i hear ya! |
|
22:05:19 |
Webmama_Tina |
dana was our last question but i have one
for you dayna |
|
22:05:28 |
danapele |
go ahead |
|
22:05:32 |
Dayna Martin |
If I am making the commitment to this
wonderful life with my kids, my need for a
clean house does not oeverride their need
for an involved Mom |
|
22:05:41 |
Dayna Martin |
We compromise |
|
22:06:02 |
Dayna Martin |
ok |
|
22:06:19 |
Webmama_Tina |
dayna, from my understanding, and experience
with unschooling, if done properly it really
is a lot of prep work...setting up the
environment and opportunities, correct? |
|
22:06:21 |
Dayna Martin |
I can't clean all day KWIM |
|
22:06:33 |
Webmama_Tina |
i mean you don't just do nothing |
|
22:06:34 |
Dayna Martin |
Tina...it depends |
|
22:06:40 |
Dayna Martin |
Right.. |
|
22:06:48 |
Dayna Martin |
I do what is called \strewing\"" |
|
22:06:51 |
Webmama_Tina |
you, as a parent, are very involved in
keeping things interesting |
|
22:07:02 |
Dayna Martin |
Very, very much so |
|
22:07:03 |
Webmama_Tina |
right, strewing...leaving things around for
them to find |
|
22:07:12 |
Webmama_Tina |
what about field trips and vacations and
such? |
|
22:07:15 |
Dayna Martin |
We are always bringing new things into our
kids lives |
|
22:07:29 |
Dayna Martin |
Oh yes Tina..thats a very big part of our
lives |
|
22:07:44 |
Webmama_Tina |
library trips and trips to aquariums, trips
to factories....anything that might spark
interest in them... |
|
22:08:09 |
danapele |
goodnight and thanks dayna and all |
|
22:08:13 |
Dayna Martin |
Yes...totally! |
|
22:08:20 |
Dayna Martin |
I wish I could have answered more |
|
22:08:24 |
Dayna Martin |
Maybe another time |
|
22:08:24 |
Fabu |
dayna, thanks for this chat we are
definitely unschooling andrei |
|
22:08:26 |
Webmama_Tina |
do you plan things specifically to hope to
spark interest that will then lead them on a
whole new path of learning? (but maybe it
doesn't always spark them, but you give them
the opportunity) |
|
22:08:31 |
Dayna Martin |
My kiddos are home now |
|
22:08:38 |
Dayna Martin |
Yes Tina |
|
22:08:39 |
Dayna Martin |
I do |
|
22:08:42 |
Webmama_Tina |
thought so! |
|
22:08:43 |
Webmama_Tina |
:) |
|
22:08:55 |
Webmama_Tina |
just wanted to clarify for those still
trying to get their brains around this |
|
22:08:56 |
Abimommy |
Thanks Dayna |
|
22:08:56 |
Webmama_Tina |
:) |
|
22:09:03 |
Webmama_Tina |
well thankyou SOOOO much dayna! |
|
22:09:06 |
mdlindholm |
thanks again! |
|
22:09:07 |
Dayna Martin |
Thank you everyone |
|
22:09:11 |
Fabu |
tahnks! |
|
22:09:14 |
Dayna Martin |
YW |
|
22:09:15 |
Webmama_Tina |
and the transcripts will be up later in the
week |
|
22:09:21 |
Dayna Martin |
Peace & Love to everyone |
|
22:09:23 |
Webmama_Tina |
or maybe next week...depending on when i
find time to edit them |
|
22:09:28 |
Fabu |
good night! |
|
22:09:29 |
Msmom |
Thanks Dayna |
|
22:09:35 |
Dayna Martin |
yw! |
|
22:09:42 |
Webmama_Tina |
i hope we can stay in touch dayna! |
|
22:09:47 |
Abimommy |
Thanks Dayna |
|
22:09:48 |
Dayna Martin |
Me too Tina |
|
22:09:51 |
Dayna Martin |
I would love to do this again |
|
22:09:53 |
Webmama_Tina |
well you have my info now :) |
|
22:09:55 |
Webmama_Tina |
and i have yours |
|
22:09:58 |
Dayna Martin |
Contact me if you want me to |
|
22:10:06 |
Dayna Martin |
Thanks for this opportunity |
|
22:10:08 |
Webmama_Tina |
come chat with us anytime and i would love
to stay in touch |
|
22:10:14 |
Dayna Martin |
cool\ |
|
22:10:17 |
Msmom |
I'll let Cynthia Mosher know too Dayna |
|
22:10:20 |
Webmama_Tina |
k enjoy your children! |
|
22:10:21 |
Webmama_Tina |
:) |
