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Mothering Magazine Sponsored Chat with Hathor the Cowgoddess --Hathor lives in the middle of urban sprawl with her dearest super-husband and three wee and wise kids. She has had an unassisted birth in the middle of her 700 square foot apartment, she breastfeeds on demand and in public, she shares sleep, maintains constant contact and unschools. Not only does she do all of this, she does it with grand style and verve. With extravagant and outrageous behavior. And with her trusty sidekick baby in a sling.

Hathor is the completely true product of the imagination of Heather Cushman-Dowdee, an outraged (because she might look distracted but she is paying attention! ) mama who has done almost all of the above (that part is autobiography)... except for the part that she totally makes up (those parts are wishful thinking). The raucous exploits of Hathor and her family are produced in comic form on the web and printed in many, many zines and magazines and books, too.

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7/12/06

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20:07:41 hathor Hee hee, I made it! That was touch and go for a second  *)
20:08:04 Webmama_Tina you get stuck in the revolving door?
20:08:13 skye lol something like that
20:08:23 Webmama_Tina *sticking foot in the door to prevent hathor any further inconvenience*
20:08:30 hathor Yeah, a chance for me to use some expletives i haven't used in a while
20:08:30 Webmama_Tina hehe
20:08:46 Webmama_Tina *behave*
20:08:55 Webmama_Tina heeh
20:09:01 hathor I'll be blue! and man that voice rocks!
20:09:11 Webmama_Tina so lets hear it for hathor!
20:09:16 Webmama_Tina *applause*  *applause*
20:09:19 hathor Okay, Now I'll be blue!
20:09:44 sapphire_chan WoooWoooo!!!
20:09:47 Webmama_Tina ok we still have quite a few people in the other room...but perhaps they'll join us later
20:09:59 alegna hathor hathor hathor.....
20:10:06 Webmama_Tina i'll make one more announcement...
20:10:09 hathor Hi!!!!
20:10:26 zoesmummy Hi!! Very excited - but kind of shy! heehee
20:10:31 skye hi hathor, I found this site via yours...
20:10:32 hathor I just walked in from a huge day at the park with the kids...
20:10:57 Mama2Jill Am I in the right room?
20:10:57 sapphire_chan Are they hanging out while you chat?
20:11:02 hathor and had forgotten about the chat until about 10 minutes ago!
20:11:15 Webmama_Tina you're in the right room if you're looking for the hathor chat
20:11:30 Webmama_Tina oh i hear ya! i forgot too!
20:11:33 Mama2Jill I am! I've just never chatted before.
20:11:42 Webmama_Tina til just like 4 min before it was supposed to start!
20:11:47 hathor Well, hello everyone!
20:11:58 Webmama_Tina great  Mama2Jill !
20:12:07 hathor I was eating rosewater ginger icecream!
20:12:07 Webmama_Tina ok lets get this show started...
20:12:13 Webmama_Tina mmmmmmmmmm
20:12:19 hathor yummy, yummy
20:12:20 Webmama_Tina where the heck do you get that?
20:12:27 Mama2Jill That sounds amazing!
20:12:28 sapphire_chan Sounds homemade
20:12:36 gracefulmom homemade?
20:12:37 skye sounds like a portland oregon type flavour?
20:12:42 zoesmummy Yum for sure!
20:12:43 hathor some Iranian icecream shop I found today it rocked!
20:13:08 sapphire_chan Really?  Cool.  I figured rosewater, ginger, vanilla icecream and stirring. lol
20:13:09 skye mmm I love iranian food, just behind lebanese
20:13:09 Webmama_Tina let me get my spiel going here so we can get started....
20:13:19 hathor I'm in Los Angeles...accidentally found some friends there too
20:13:20 Webmama_Tina mmmm yummers
20:13:22 Webmama_Tina ok here goes
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20:14:31 Webmama_Tina ok here we are with another hathor the cow goddess chat...and i still don't have a moo sound :(
20:14:46 hathor No Moo? Okay everyone on 3
20:14:58 hathor 1,2,3, moooooooooo
20:15:00 Mama2Jill Mooooo!
20:15:01 Webmama_Tina mooooooooo
20:15:10 gracefulmom mmmmmmmmmmooooooooooooooooooooo
20:15:11 Webmama_Tina *making mental note to get a moo sound for next month's chat*
20:15:35 Webmama_Tina here's hathor's intro...
20:15:36 hathor So, hey, any questions?
20:15:37 gracefulmom ?
20:15:41 Webmama_Tina Hathor the Cowgoddess lives in the middle of urban sprawl with her dearest super-husband and three wee and wise kids. She has had an unassisted birth in the middle of her 700 square foot apartment, she breastfeeds on demand and in public, she shares sleep, maintains constant contact and unschools. Not only does she do all of this, she does it with grand style and verve. With extravagant and outrageous behavior. And with her trusty sidekick baby in a sling. The raucous exploits of Hathor and her family are produced in comic form on the web and printed in many, many zines and magazines and books, too.
20:15:49 sapphire_chan ?
20:15:59 Webmama_Tina anything you want to add? anything new and exciting or particularly stressful happening these days hathor?
20:16:10 Webmama_Tina i have noticed some very infuriating causes lately on your site....argh
20:16:16 hathor Well, my baby just turned 2
20:16:17 Webmama_Tina darn victoria's secret!
20:16:29 hathor and my dh just turned 40
20:16:30 Webmama_Tina angie, you ready for the queue?
20:16:36 MOD_Angie yeppers
20:16:39 hathor that's kept it pretty exciting
20:16:42 Webmama_Tina :bday:
20:16:53 Webmama_Tina happy birthday hathor baby and dh!
20:17:08 Webmama_Tina ok lets cue up the first question then....who's first?
20:17:14 hathor My baby isn't in the sling very much anymore, it's bittersweet... :(  :(
20:17:16 MOD_Angie upcoming chatter(s):  gracefulmom  sapphire_chan
20:17:20 hathor gracefulmom ?
20:17:21 gracefulmom I'm curious about unschooling... how do things change for you during the summer?
20:17:42 hathor I'm kind of on a school schedule
20:18:01 hathor because I've been in school for so long I suspect
20:18:13 gracefulmom similar to public schools, you mean?
20:18:17 hathor so we kind of get more lazy, hot , hanging out
20:18:32 hathor Yeah, but then there are aLOT of super crowded
20:18:41 hathor summer activities to do to
20:19:01 hathor I just took the kids to see Guinea music at the Hollywood bowl
20:19:35 hathor we have less of our regular stuff, more special activities
20:19:44 hathor are you an unschooler?
20:20:16 gracefulmom Not unschooler, but pretty relaxed homeschooler...  sounds similar to our summer.
20:20:33 hathor Yeah, it's very similar....sapphire_chan ?
20:20:34 gracefulmom Except we haven't heard any Guinea music or had Iranian ice cream!
20:20:34 sapphire_chan More of a comment, really.  I used your recent comic with your now 2 year old running in a circle from sling to down to sling to show my dh what babywearing is like with a toddler.  He thought it was really nifty.  (I did too.)
20:21:17 hathor I'm so glad the comic was useful!
20:21:41 sapphire_chan It's useful in so many ways.  Probably more so once we have kids. :lol
20:21:51 hathor I still wear the sling everywhere, though the baby isn't in it...on the off chance.
20:22:10 sapphire_chan A beautiful fashion statment.
20:22:16 hathor You don't have kids yet? cool!
20:22:33 hathor You'll be an awesome mama when it happens!
20:22:52 hathor I hadn't even heard of midwifery or breastfeeding when I was pregnant
20:23:03 sapphire_chan I'm an MDC-aholic.
20:23:24 hathor I was a really, really, lost mama in the beginning :blush:
20:23:47 hathor any questions?
20:23:47 sapphire_chan That's hard to believe.  I can't picture you as lost.
20:24:02 hathor Oh man, I was the lostest
20:24:09 sapphire_chan ?
20:24:17 MOD_Angie upcoming chatter(s):    sapphire_chan
20:24:31 hathor I had my baby strapped in a carseat, carrying it around banging into my shins!
20:24:35 sapphire_chan So, have any good stories about your time of confusion?
20:24:40 sapphire_chan Ouchie
20:25:00 hathor My dh, met a husband of a La Leche League Leader
20:25:17 hathor and took me to a party when I was pregnant, I told them
20:25:38 hathor that I was going to breastfeed for AT LEAST 6 WEEKS
20:25:57 hathor that seemed like a very impressive long time to me!
20:26:20 hathor so they told me about LLL and midwives
20:26:31 hathor and I thought they were loony toons.
20:26:50 hathor but here we are, I had breastfeeding difficulties so my dh
20:27:15 hathor made me call LLL and I went to a meeting and I got the book the Continuum Concept from the meeting
20:27:24 hathor and that was it, I was hooked
20:27:43 hathor I wonder if those mamas remember me? :?
20:28:09 sapphire_chan Probably have your comic bookmarked.
20:28:10 hathor any questions?
20:28:19 MOD_Angie not in the queue
20:28:33 sapphire_chan ?
20:28:35 hathor hee hee, I wonder! I think of them as my keg party angels
20:28:42 alegna ?
20:28:43 hathor sapphire_chan ?
20:28:55 sapphire_chan I was wondering about your garden, but let Alegna go first.
20:29:11 hathor Okay  alegna?
20:29:13 alegna How busy -activity wise- do you stay
20:29:20 alegna unschooling wise
20:29:27 alegna is it hard to find a balance?
20:29:43 hathor Man, we do a LOT in los angeles...and it is hard to find a balance
20:30:02 hathor I have to occassionally stop and take a deep breath and
20:30:38 hathor decide what we are going to keep doing...I prefer to do things that include the whole family, all ages and genders etc
20:31:06 alegna does your dh work a normal" job?"
20:31:21 hathor but we do take dance classes and we are currently stuck in a girl scout troup that I wish I hadn't
20:31:24 alegna we find that we miss out on enough time with him since he's always working when cool stuff is going on
20:31:27 hathor joined!
20:31:43 gracefulmom ?
20:32:01 hathor My dh doesn't work a normal job now, he used to, but now he works as a setdresser in the industry.
20:32:19 alegna fun!
20:32:40 hathor which means he works like a dog for a few days 18 hours a day, etc. and then he's off for a week.
20:33:21 hathor It has become the perfect job for us, except for that we never know when he's going to work so plans are hard
20:33:53 hathor some friends of mine started a summer evening potluck at a pool to get the daddys together
20:34:03 hathor gracefulmom ?
20:34:06 gracefulmom I've been looking for community service projects for our family to do together.
20:34:25 gracefulmom But most places around here (food banks, etc) don't want my 5 yo to participate.
20:34:30 hathor Ooooooh, good idea!
20:34:40 gracefulmom Have you found anything like that that works for your family?
20:34:44 gracefulmom Or have any ideas?
20:34:50 hathor What about driving for the food banks?
20:34:57 gracefulmom oooooooooo!
20:35:09 gracefulmom Or Meals on Wheels...
20:35:18 hathor I haven't been doing much but before Kids I used to do food not bombs
20:35:31 gracefulmom What's that?
20:35:42 gracefulmom Pardon my ignorance!
20:35:48 hathor and we would gather together and make a whole bunch of soup and serve it at a park
20:35:59 hathor to anyone who was hungry
20:36:23 hathor it's just a loose association of people who pass out food to anyone in the name of peace
20:36:36 hathor kind of a cool thought huh?
20:36:50 gracefulmom I like it! :)
20:37:00 hathor You could start your own chapter and say that kids are definitely welcome!
20:37:35 gracefulmom My 8 yo would love to do that.  She wants to start a club of some kind.
20:37:46 hathor I also think that us mamas should set up shadow polls at the polling places
20:37:53 hathor at the next election.
20:37:56 gracefulmom Save a Rainforest, Stop War, anything else... she'd love it.
20:38:14 hathor I think we could be mamas cleaning up elections" and wear"
20:38:23 hathor aprons and carry brooms
20:38:35 hathor and take exit polls
20:38:46 gracefulmom :D
20:38:57 hathor or ask everyone to vote a second time in our cardboard box
20:39:31 gracefulmom I'm getting pretty disillusioned with politics... but that's another topic...
20:39:31 hathor so that if there are any discrepencies we can have a paper trail :banghead
20:39:45 hathor wouldn't tt hat be cool?
20:40:11 gracefulmom ...because the REAL paper trail seems to vanish!
20:40:13 hathor sapphire_chan ?
20:40:53 hathor anymore questions?
20:41:02 Webmama_Tina there's no one in the queue currently
20:41:11 hathor come on, anyone?
20:41:18 sapphire_chan Ah yes, I was wondering how your garden is doing?
20:41:20 hathor bueller? bueller?
20:41:40 hathor Aaaah, my garden has strawberries!
20:41:49 alegna ?
20:41:55 sapphire_chan You're making it very difficult to not lol every few seconds, Hathor.
20:41:57 hathor and some fruit from a tree that I don't recognise
20:42:05 sapphire_chan quince?
20:42:07 Webmama_Tina lol
20:42:20 hathor all in a plot that's about 2 feet by 4 feet!
20:42:23 Webmama_Tina loquat? LOL
20:42:30 sapphire_chan Mine is 4 by 4
20:42:37 hathor loquat!!!that's waht it is!
20:42:42 sapphire_chan I'm loving the tomatoes now.
20:42:42 Webmama_Tina LOL
20:42:59 hathor yum yum, I make the best salsa...
20:43:03 hathor alegna ?
20:43:05 alegna do you have trouble finding other unschooler-type friends for your kids?
20:43:23 alegna homeschoolers here are overwhelmingly christian and structured, and we're not
20:43:38 alegna dd is still little (2  :LOL ) nothing like planning ahead
20:43:45 hathor Nah, I'm in a HUGE area full of homeschoolers, that are secular and crunchy
20:43:49 alegna but it is something I'm watching friends struggle with
20:43:56 alegna ah... alas.  lucky
20:44:04 hathor But I have friends that have a similar problem
20:44:12 alegna that's what I get for living in the south, eh?
20:44:25 EmoMom depends on your area of the country Im sure.  Here in the bible belt, they are mostly christian, and in the Pacific Northwest they'd be secular and crunchy :)
20:44:26 hathor It's easy to start your own parkdays though
20:44:31 alegna though you'd figure in a city the size of houston there'd be a few other weirdos
20:44:50 alegna you'd be suprised
20:44:50 hathor They might be hiding in their home like you!
20:45:03 alegna we're working on getting an apish playgroup off the ground
20:45:16 alegna so far just about everyone else had c-sections and formula feeds....
20:45:18 EmoMom yep.  mothering tribal areas are a great place to find them, as well as anyplace like a holistic moms group or similar.
20:45:27 gracefulmom ?
20:45:40 hathor You could put up some signs at the store and see what happens, and if you start now, you might have kids to spend time with
20:45:43 alegna yeah, we're working off mdc...  got a few people
20:45:51 EmoMom I live in the Raleigh NC area, and there are LOADS of crunchy folks here, but I find that new moms I meet that are like me often dont know about the crunchy people :)
20:45:55 alegna exactly my plan  :)
20:45:56 hathor what's your LLL like?
20:46:00 alegna planing ahead.
20:46:04 alegna very mainstream
20:46:24 hathor EmoMom ! you're from Raleigh?
20:46:36 EmoMom yes, and Audrey is my midwife :)
20:46:42 EmoMom and she was SO BUMMEd when you moved
20:46:42 hathor gracefulmom?
20:46:44 gracefulmom Just wanted to say I'm a somewhat structured, Christian homeschooler... but would LOVE to find a crunchy group of friends!
20:46:57 hathor Tell Audre yI said Hi!
20:47:01 sapphire_chan ?
20:47:04 gracefulmom I stay away from the Christian hsing support groups in our area.
20:47:06 EmoMom gracefulmom: im a christian homeschooling mom who homebirths and doesnt vax anda ll that
20:47:29 hathor Yeah, I have a LOT of christian homeschooler friends
20:47:31 EmoMom I will! :)  She's doing great.  Has been extra busy lately
20:47:43 hathor who prefer to hang with the crunchy gals
20:47:46 patricelondon Same here. Christian Unschooling mom struggling at times with Christian groups
20:48:08 alegna yeah, I don't mind the christian, as long as it's not in-your-face
20:48:14 hathor I like for my kids to play and hang out with all kinds of people
20:48:17 alegna we get a lot of in-your-face down here
20:48:20 sapphire_chan My mom's on a mailing list for homeschoolers that's supposedly for Christians but really has some of everybody.  She calls it her Crazy Christians United" mailing list, I don't know what CCU is supposed to actually stand for."
20:48:30 hathor my homeschool group in Raleigh was really really good
20:48:35 EmoMom im the crunchiest homeschooling mom in our co-op, but they dont seem real put out by my wierdness
20:48:42 gracefulmom I find my parenting style is more in line with crunchy" than conservative Christian."
20:49:29 Webmama_Tina 10min left in this chat
20:49:30 hathor I find all of my groups from LLL
20:49:40 hathor any questions?
20:49:45 sapphire_chan ?
20:49:47 patricelondon what's LLL?
20:50:02 hathor sapphire_chan ? La leche league
20:50:08 EmoMom did you christen yourself hathor the cowgoddess or did it come from someone else>
20:50:08 sapphire_chan Any new craft projects?
20:50:14 patricelondon thanks
20:50:15 EmoMom i came in late, sorry
20:50:16 EmoMom :)
20:50:38 hathor You're welcome! I became Hathor in grad school
20:50:59 sapphire_chan What degree?
20:51:03 skye I have a question, I hope it hasn't been covered
20:51:04 hathor I was in school when my first baby was little and she ewntwith me every day
20:51:12 hathor fine arts
20:51:21 hathor someone told me that breastfeeding
20:51:34 hathor woudl make them feel like a cow
20:51:35 sapphire_chan *duh*  That would explain the whole excellently drawn comic" thing."
20:51:48 hathor so  Ithought cow goddess!
20:52:04 hathor and then I researched and found Hathor
20:52:14 hathor the egyptian goddessof
20:52:23 patricelondon How Cute!  I used to express milk in between classes in the bathroom when I was in college
20:52:25 EmoMom eeeeeeexxxcellent
20:52:26 EmoMom ;-)
20:52:27 hathor breastfeeding, midwifery and motherhood
20:52:39 hathor and I became her!
20:52:49 hathor and here I am :banghead  :angel:
20:52:49 sapphire_chan With any luck that's how my senior year of college will go.
20:53:02 hathor cool!
20:53:17 EmoMom do you do other public eye sorts of things besides the comic?  Like regular interviews or anything?
20:53:21 hathor I have some good activism projects in the workss...
20:53:31 EmoMom cool!
20:53:50 hathor yep, as  amatter of fact I was just interviewed on naturalmomsradio.com
20:54:05 EmoMom didnt even know that site existed
20:54:12 hathor th einterview is up if you want to listen to it...
20:54:22 patricelondon Me either. I just looked it up
20:54:36 hathor I'm very concerned about CPS starting to
20:54:52 hathor focus on our attachment parenting styles
20:55:11 EmoMom i hear that, I remember you commenting on the UC thread
20:55:14 hathor and I am planning an advocacy campaign
20:55:24 EmoMom but you dont use hathor on mdc, so I wanst sure that was you
20:55:32 hathor that mamas can do
20:55:38 Webmama_Tina what are you on mdc?
20:55:57 skye my ex landlord, who cosleeps and just started a LLL chapter, threatened to call CPS on me for cosleeping with my 7 yr old son and taking him to my (very safe) office job with me daily
20:56:02 hathor actually I am Hathor  :D just about everywhere
20:56:27 hathor Skye! that sucks!
20:56:36 alegna ?
20:56:40 skye absolutely... the hypocrisy kills me
20:56:46 Webmama_Tina 4min left mamas
20:56:47 hathor alegna?
20:56:53 alegna Ideas on what we can do to fight/protest local cps stuff?
20:57:00 alegna ours is pretty bonkers.
20:57:07 hathor I think some people are
20:57:21 hathor stuck in a mindset that CPS are helpful
20:57:21 Webmama_Tina www.naturalmomsradio.com is the site?
20:57:22 alegna I know how to cover my self and keep them out of my business, but I don't know how to fight the goliath
20:57:34 Webmama_Tina can't find it
20:57:36 EmoMom natural moms talk radio
20:57:40 EmoMom i had to google it
20:57:44 hathor and they don't really take into consideration, what
20:57:48 Webmama_Tina www.naturalmomstalkradio.com ?
20:57:59 EmoMom yes
20:58:08 Webmama_Tina lana jordan?
20:58:11 Webmama_Tina ok
20:58:12 hathor it wuold be like if they had CPS knocking on their door.
20:58:16 patricelondon I was just about to say I don't see the site
20:58:18 EmoMom so far Ive not had any problems homeschooling, homebirthing, not vaxing here in raleigh
20:58:32 alegna sadly I have a full plan on what to do if CPS shows up
20:58:38 hathor It's time for the mamas who are not
20:58:45 EmoMom but Im good friends with a well known midwife here and Id call her first if I got any flack
20:58:46 alegna I have no particular worries, but I'm a planner
20:59:03 hathor being investigated to start to advocate for t he families taht are
20:59:18 EmoMom like i need to get a waiver on file for not vaxing, and I need to register with the state for homeschooling, both this summer
20:59:23 hathor It can't hurt to have a good plan in place
20:59:39 hathor but you don't want to be fearful either
20:59:47 alegna the important thing is to know your rights then you can make good decisions
21:00:05 hathor But if you are feeling strong and ready to be activist
21:00:09 alegna exactly.  I'm not afraid of them, because I know how to get around their rules
21:00:31 hathor I think it is crucial to make sure that everyone has the right to be in their family
21:00:39 Webmama_Tina hey i found and uploaded a cow sound!
21:00:43 Webmama_Tina *cow*
21:00:44 EmoMom lol!
21:00:44 hathor and to parent the way that they choose
21:00:56 hathor Moooo?
21:00:56 Webmama_Tina prolly have to refresh to hear it
21:01:04 alegna here they screw up in both directions- send kids home who are sexually abused by dad
21:01:21 alegna and take away kids with cancer because their parents dare to question the almighty dr.
21:01:41 Webmama_Tina *cow*
21:01:51 Webmama_Tina heh it works!
21:02:05 alegna I'm not hearing the moo  :(
21:02:10 Webmama_Tina did you refresh?
21:02:15 gracefulmom I can't hear it!  But thanks for chatting, Hathor!
21:02:28 pyxiwulf Iliterally LOLed!
21:02:30 frontierpsychiatrist Hello. (I think I got the right room this time)
21:02:36 EmoMom it was great to chat with you, Hathor!
21:02:39 Webmama_Tina and you have to have your speakers on
21:02:43 hathor See, I got kicked out of thre room
21:02:44 Webmama_Tina oh yes, times up
21:02:52 Webmama_Tina yeah when you refresh it boots you out
21:02:56 Webmama_Tina you have to rejoin the room
21:03:05 Webmama_Tina hi  frontierpsychiatrist ...we are just ending this chat
21:03:07 Webmama_Tina sorry
21:03:10 Webmama_Tina *cow*
21:03:12 hathor so, here I am again, it was great everyone!!!!!!
21:03:14 Webmama_Tina does anyone hear that?
21:03:18 patricelondon I heard It that time
21:03:19 frontierpsychiatrist lol, okay
21:03:22 Webmama_Tina yay!
21:03:24 alegna yep. heard it that time  :LOL
21:03:24 hathor yep, lovely!
21:03:24 pyxiwulf me too
21:03:29 sapphire_chan ack missed it
21:03:30 Webmama_Tina oh good, so there ya go
21:03:36 Webmama_Tina hehe
21:03:38 frontierpsychiatrist there will be more, I suppose. I'm in Hawaii's time zone and sometimes I get mixed up
21:03:42 hathor mooooooo! Talk to eveyone next month!
21:03:48 Webmama_Tina thanks hathor for another fantastic chat, as always!

 

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