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20:06:49 |
Webmama_Tina |
today we are so pleased to have kelly of
www.kellymom.com for this week's guest
speaker! |
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20:07:02 |
Mama_Bear |
? (jic it wasnt seen above) |
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20:07:02 |
Quirky |
? |
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20:07:15 |
Webmama_Tina |
hold on, lets let kelly introduce
herself first |
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20:07:35 |
kellymom |
Ready for me now? |
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20:07:41 |
Webmama_Tina |
kelly...why don't you tell us who you
are for those that don't know and a
little about your background, family,
expertise, and whatever you'd like to
share |
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20:07:42 |
Webmama_Tina |
ypu |
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20:07:45 |
batallaswhite |
? |
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20:07:45 |
Webmama_Tina |
yup even, lol |
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20:08:08 |
Webmama_Tina |
when you're ready for the first question
just let us know and angie will tell us
who's first |
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20:08:39 |
kellymom |
ok, I'm Kelly Bonyata. I do, well...
everything at kellymom.com :) |
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20:08:54 |
kellymom |
I'm also a board certified lactation
consultant (IBCLC) |
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20:09:11 |
Webmama_Tina |
here's a clickable link www.kellymom.com |
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20:09:12 |
kellymom |
I have an 8 yr old daughter and a 5 yr
old son, and we homeschool. |
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20:09:16 |
Webmama_Tina |
will open in a new window |
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20:09:36 |
kellymom |
That's probably the basics :) |
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20:09:42 |
kellymom |
Ready for questions? |
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20:09:44 |
Webmama_Tina |
how about a little about your site? |
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20:10:14 |
Webmama_Tina |
which is super popular, by the way, for
those not familiar with it. :) |
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20:10:15 |
kellymom |
Ah, I provide evidence-based info on
breastfeeding (mainly) and parenting
issues. |
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20:10:30 |
mairead |
? |
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20:10:33 |
islandgirl |
Kelly- you forgot to mention you are a
nuclear physicist in your spare time! |
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20:10:38 |
kellymom |
So I spend lots of time reading studies
and keeping up to date so you don't have
to - lol |
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20:10:39 |
Webmama_Tina |
lol islandgirl |
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20:10:53 |
kellymom |
Now, Lena, I've given that up for now ;) |
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20:11:05 |
kellymom |
But that is what I did in grad school :) |
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20:11:08 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok then angie, who's first? :) |
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20:11:15 |
Webmama_Tina |
too funny kelly |
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20:11:21 |
MOD_Angie |
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20:11:34 |
Webmama_Tina |
alrighty mama bear, you're up! |
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20:11:39 |
Mama_Bear |
regarding the risks of not bf, how do
they determine the statistic that 4
babies out of every 1000 die because
they are not bf, right here in the us-
a developed" country" |
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20:11:56 |
Mama_Bear |
(from marsha walker's selling out
mothers and babies ;) |
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20:12:09 |
Mama_Bear |
iirc |
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20:12:23 |
SaraD |
?" |
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20:12:46 |
kellymom |
There have been at least a couple of
studies that have looked at neonatal and
postneonatal death and morbidity and
that's probably where those figures came
from. |
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20:13:01 |
sexymommie |
hello? but is this the site where we are
allowed to aspk to kelly? |
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20:13:21 |
Webmama_Tina |
yes sexymommie , we are taking
turns...right now it is mama bear's
turn... |
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20:13:25 |
Webmama_Tina |
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20:13:29 |
kellymom |
I believe Marsha has all her statements
referenced, also (love her :) ) |
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20:13:36 |
sexymommie |
sorry |
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20:13:47 |
Webmama_Tina |
no worries, glad ya made it! :) |
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20:14:13 |
Mama_Bear |
my book is loaned out, lol |
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20:14:22 |
Mama_Bear |
to a doula friend |
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20:14:29 |
kellymom |
The studies I can thinks of, Mama_Bear,
looked at several illnesses where we
know that babies who are not BF fare
worse, adn went from there. |
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20:15:16 |
kellymom |
I've got it right here, but it would
take a bit to look up the references :)
- I also have some references at my
website on this subject. |
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20:15:20 |
Mama_Bear |
so it is probably a mix of the diseases
that a ff baby is more prone to than a
bf baby, and combined with the babies
who have difficulties tolerating
artificial infant milk.? |
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20:16:03 |
akasha |
? |
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20:16:03 |
kellymom |
I believe all the studies have looked at
specific illnesses. |
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20:16:16 |
kellymom |
Does that help to answer your question? |
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20:16:19 |
Mama_Bear |
okie doke, thanks.. i dont wanna take
anymore of your time :) |
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20:16:22 |
sexymommie |
? |
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20:16:26 |
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20:16:35 |
Webmama_Tina |
alrighty mckennasmom! |
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20:16:37 |
mckennasmom03 |
First of all, I LOVE your site and have
used it often in the last 27 months. I
have taken domperidone for 22 months.
(Have tried unsuccessfully many times to
wean off.) So far, I don't seem to have
any side effects. Have you found any
with extended use |
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20:16:53 |
kellymom |
You guys can always ask more detailed Qs
that need lookups on my message boards
:) |
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20:17:46 |
Webmama_Tina |
side note on domperidone...dr jack
newman talked about it at his chat last
week...drat i need to get those
transcripts up...i'll work on those
asap...if you're on the egroup i'll post
when they are up. |
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20:17:53 |
islandgirl |
? |
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20:17:58 |
kellymom |
mckennasmom03, I have heard from a
number of moms who have used domperidone
long-term, and have not heard of any
long-term effects, but we also don't
have much in the way of hard data on
this. |
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20:18:11 |
kellymom |
(on nursing moms, at least) |
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20:18:39 |
kellymom |
I suspect there is is data on
non-nursing women or men when it comes
to long term use, but I'm not familiar
with it. |
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20:19:07 |
kellymom |
Since this is an over the counter med in
many countries. |
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20:19:12 |
mckennasmom03 |
I feel very comfortable taking it. This
is my last baby and want to let her
self-wean, so I intend to remain on it. |
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20:19:34 |
kellymom |
I'm glad you've found it helpful for
your nursing relationship! |
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20:19:53 |
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20:19:57 |
mckennasmom03 |
It's been a life-saver! Thank you so
much! |
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20:19:59 |
kitkatsmama |
? |
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20:20:12 |
Mama_Bear |
mckennasmom, people not taking it to
help with lactation are on it long-term,
some of them all their lives with no
ill-effects |
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20:20:34 |
kellymom |
Are we ready for the next Q? |
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20:20:38 |
sarahariz |
Do you have any recommendations for
books on breastfeeding for someone who
couldn't breastfeed her first child and
is pregnant with her second? |
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20:21:26 |
kellymom |
Hi sarahariz - there are lots of
breastfeeding books that I like. A
couple of fun reads are So That's What
They're For!" and Sue Cox's latest
(anyone remember the name?)" |
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20:21:29 |
z2akids |
? |
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20:21:34 |
Mama_Bear |
i absolutely LOVE So That's What They're
For" by Janet Tamaro" |
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20:21:46 |
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20:22:01 |
sarahariz |
her husband is a physician... |
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20:22:11 |
kellymom |
You might like to get something that's
been updated very recently so that the
more recent info on milk supply is
there. |
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20:22:13 |
Mama_Bear |
sarah, kellymom has a bunch of great
links on her site :) |
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20:22:21 |
sarahariz |
and the story was that her baby was
allergic" to her milk!" |
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20:22:35 |
kellymom |
How about the AAP's Guide to
BReastfeeding, then? |
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20:22:52 |
kellymom |
It's very good and written by
pediatricians (Joan Meek, MD is the
editor) |
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20:23:03 |
sarahariz |
Thanks for the suggestions! I'll check
them out. |
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20:23:47 |
kellymom |
Yes, I have book suggestions and lots of
info on getting started breastfeeding
(and also allergies :) ) |
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20:23:59 |
kellymom |
(at my website) |
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20:24:11 |
sarahariz |
I'll take a look! |
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20:24:22 |
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20:24:28 |
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20:24:39 |
kellymom |
Next Q? |
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20:25:07 |
MOD_Angie |
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20:25:12 |
MOD_Angie |
Quirky is gone |
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20:25:17 |
batallaswhite |
my daughter is 2 weeks away from her
first birthday, she continues to mainly
bf around 8 months we played fed with
smashed bananas, sweet potatoe & peas
here and there, immediately she had very
painful bms so i wanted to stop intro.
foods |
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20:26:33 |
batallaswhite |
but now she has started to demand food,
i have been feeding her regularly 2 x /
day for the last month and she had had
many more painful bm, so i hae stopped
again. |
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20:27:07 |
kellymom |
Wow, this is certainly sometimes a
problem and of course some babies are
certainly still mostly breastfed at this
age . |
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20:27:23 |
batallaswhite |
but she wants food, my local ibclc
recommended frutis only, my daughter is
not big on fruits |
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20:28:14 |
kellymom |
Many suggest the p" fruits and veggies
for constipation (if this is the
problem) - I believe peas might be an
option too is she likes those." |
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20:28:15 |
batallaswhite |
do you think it is ok to just let her
explore of off my plate but not feed her
regularly, could that help |
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20:28:23 |
kellymom |
Absolutely. |
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20:28:54 |
kellymom |
That's the way we introduced solids for
our youngest anyway - all self-feeding
and often it was grabbing from our
plate. |
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20:29:10 |
batallaswhite |
i should not worry about her nutrition
needs |
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20:29:28 |
kellymom |
My newest favorite book is called My
Child Won't Eat!" by Carlos Gonzales." |
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20:29:40 |
kellymom |
And he addresses these issues so nicely. |
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20:30:20 |
kellymom |
At this age, what you're looking for in
terms of extra" nutrients is mainly iron
and zinc. And baby can get those from
finger foods." |
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20:30:59 |
kellymom |
Does she like meat? If you eat meat,
that can be a good source of iron and
zinc. |
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20:31:07 |
batallaswhite |
my pediatrician says 2x a day atleast,
so i feel concerned like she will be
malnorished, but she bf on cue and loves
it and so do i. what are the best
finger foods for those supplements |
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20:31:27 |
batallaswhite |
no i do not do meat but i do dairy |
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20:32:02 |
kellymom |
Hmmm... I have a list of sources of both
iron and zinc at my website - you might
take a look at those to see what looks
promising. |
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20:32:45 |
kellymom |
There are many, many babies this age who
are eating very little or no solids and
who are nowhere near malnutrition :) |
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20:33:01 |
batallaswhite |
thanks so much, i will check them out.
Anything else that may be of concern
reg. her constipation? is she just not
ready? |
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20:33:03 |
kellymom |
Take a look at that book if you get a
chance - I bet it will help with that
issue. |
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20:33:28 |
kellymom |
Could be - you can also make sure you
give her a little water (or just nurse)
when she eats solids to help things
along. |
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20:33:52 |
batallaswhite |
i sure will, thank you :) |
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20:34:07 |
kellymom |
Are we ready for the next question? |
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20:34:11 |
mairead |
i have a fab nursing relationship w my8
mos old twins who are still nursing
xclusively my son nursed into the
pregnancy ending when he was 4 and 6 mos
i practised for the most part attachment
parenting slinging until 3 etc etc ok
great he is great but |
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20:34:11 |
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20:34:52 |
mairead |
sometimes i see similac fed and think
they are fust as fab is it truly worth
it and ps hat about vit d |
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20:35:02 |
mairead |
hope this is not too deeeep!! |
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20:35:28 |
Webmama_Tina |
nurse first, then food is what LLL says
:) |
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20:35:42 |
kellymom |
I'm not quite sure what your question
is? |
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20:36:02 |
kellymom |
Are you wondering whether it's worth it
to keep nursing? |
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20:37:19 |
mairead |
nursing and attachment parenting is
supposed to create such great children
not sick for one better behaved but
sometimes i wonder why go to the lengths
when my son could |
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20:37:30 |
kellymom |
All the studies (including long term
ones) so tell us that breastfeeding just
keeps giving throughout the entire life
time of your children (not just when
they're nursing). |
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20:37:36 |
mairead |
be similar to a similac fed fr birth
baby |
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20:38:44 |
kellymom |
Well, breastfeeding is certainly not a
guarantee of perfect health, but it does
so much to decrease your child's risk of
illnesses throughout a lifetime and does
so much psychological good. |
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20:39:04 |
BRoxMum |
I'm lost too. I'd like the chat room
with Kelly, Help please? |
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20:39:06 |
kellymom |
It's wonderful that you're giving your
children the best start they can have! |
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20:39:19 |
mairead |
i guess i have been having a very
challenging time w my 5 yr old and
sometimes i say to myself i cannot |
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20:39:44 |
Webmama_Tina |
you're here BRoxMum |
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20:39:47 |
kellymom |
5 yr olds can be challenging, can't
they? (I have one myself) |
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20:39:54 |
mairead |
believe i bf him till almost 5 and had
him in my arms till he was 3 WHAAAT
happened |
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20:39:55 |
Webmama_Tina |
we're taking runs asking kelly our
questions: |
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20:39:56 |
BRoxMum |
tanx webmama |
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20:40:00 |
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20:40:07 |
Webmama_Tina |
no problem, glad you made it! |
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20:40:12 |
boodafli |
? |
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20:40:23 |
kellymom |
Also, mairead , I have an article on
vitamin D supplementation at my website
that may be helpful to you. |
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20:41:00 |
mairead |
and then i go to a party see a child
whoa has been on similac since birth and
they seeem perfect |
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20:41:39 |
mairead |
thank you need reassurance it really is
worth it would never give up bf it is an
amazing experience |
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20:41:47 |
kellymom |
Well, NOT breastfeeding is not a
guarantee of bad health or bad social
skills :) - many things go into this. |
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20:42:11 |
kellymom |
But you're certainly upping the odds for
your children by breastfeeding. |
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20:42:26 |
kellymom |
Keep up the good work :) |
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20:42:36 |
mairead |
thank you am done |
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20:42:51 |
stephfc |
? |
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20:43:00 |
SaraD |
Okay: |
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20:43:02 |
kellymom |
Next? |
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20:43:25 |
SaraD |
With the recent news about the
Pediatrians recommending No cosleeping |
|
20:43:52 |
kellymom |
I've got that paper right here...
sigh... need to finish reading it... |
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20:43:55 |
SaraD |
or sleeping with baby in bed, What do
you suppose is the reasoning behind this
sudden change? Or is it a change? |
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20:44:04 |
MOD_Angie |
LLLI just put out a statement today in
regards to this if anyone is interested |
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20:44:18 |
kellymom |
I don't think it's a change with these
particular authors. |
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20:44:53 |
SaraD |
K, thanks, I just don't understand as I
bf'd both babies and coslept with
positive results... I thought SIDS was a
genetic thing not a cosleeping thing... |
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20:44:57 |
kellymom |
And I would have loved to have some of
the breastfeeding and cosleeping
researchers weigh in on the issue before
they published. |
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20:45:34 |
SaraD |
Oh, and they are now recommending
putting baby to bed with pacifier (as a
safer option)... |
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20:45:45 |
kellymom |
I disagreee with their opinions - it
really sounds like they're trying to
duplicate the breastfeeding experience
with the pacifier and sort-of nearby
sleeping, and doesn't make much sense to
me. |
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20:46:19 |
kellymom |
I'm hoping to write an article in
response to this - hopefully I'll get
some time to do this soon! |
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20:46:19 |
SaraD |
Okay, I thought they had discovered" a
relationship or something... Nothing to
your knowledge than?" |
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20:46:29 |
kellymom |
Nothing new, Sara. |
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20:46:36 |
SaraD |
Okay thanks. |
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20:46:50 |
kellymom |
And there are many studies that show
breastfeeding is protective against
SIDS. |
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20:47:11 |
kellymom |
Definitely check out the LLLI statement
:) |
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20:47:34 |
SaraD |
*) next thanks kelly |
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20:47:35 |
kellymom |
I've seen something from the CEnter for
BF Information, but not the official one
yet I don't think. |
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20:47:58 |
kellymom |
Next? |
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20:49:42 |
calicokatt |
hello? |
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20:49:50 |
kellymom |
I was about to do that too :D |
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20:49:58 |
Webmama_Tina |
hi calicokatt , glad you made it! |
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20:50:03 |
calicokatt |
Thanks! |
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20:50:13 |
Webmama_Tina |
we're taking turns asking kelly our
questions... |
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20:50:16 |
kellymom |
Is the next person ready with a
question? |
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20:50:16 |
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20:50:23 |
Webmama_Tina |
nope, angie? |
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20:50:28 |
Webmama_Tina |
oh its sexymommie |
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20:50:38 |
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20:50:47 |
peacefullone |
Im here" |
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20:50:55 |
Webmama_Tina |
yay peacefullone ! |
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20:51:02 |
Webmama_Tina |
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20:51:06 |
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20:51:09 |
Webmama_Tina |
glad you made it! |
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20:51:10 |
peacefullone |
was I just talking with you? |
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20:51:12 |
Webmama_Tina |
yes |
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20:51:21 |
peacefullone |
cool!!! thanks |
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20:51:27 |
Webmama_Tina |
no worries :) |
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20:51:58 |
MOD_Angie |
sexymommie must be away from the
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20:52:05 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok islandgirl, looks like sexymommie had
to go tend to the kiddos :) |
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20:52:06 |
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20:52:08 |
kayti99 |
? |
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20:52:10 |
islandgirl |
I have been working several moms who
clearly have signs of thrush but their
doctors refuse to prescribe difulcan.
I've just heard about using grapefruit
seed oil and also hear it works. How and
why? |
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20:52:54 |
kellymom |
Hmmm, I'm sure why it works except for
the fact that it's an antifungal. There
is great info on using at Jay Gordon's
website. |
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20:53:40 |
kellymom |
And also in Dr Newman's handouts. Both
are DRs for other DRs may respond well
to the info. |
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20:54:03 |
kellymom |
Does that answer your question? :) |
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20:54:18 |
islandgirl |
I will check that out. I was wondering
why it works. I am suggesting it to
these mothers as an alternate. I'm done.
Thanks. |
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20:54:29 |
kellymom |
I know some moms have had good luck
using it for thrush, though we don't
have studies on it in BF women. |
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20:54:36 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): kitkatsmama,
z2akids, boodafli, stephfc, kayti99 |
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20:54:40 |
kitkatsmama |
Hi, Kelly! Any tips for nursing around
fibrocystic breast tissue? Recently
diagnosed", having HORRIBLE soreness,
and can't seem to get a comfortable
latch ever anymore.... so discouraged
:guilty" |
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20:55:03 |
kellymom |
Ouch! Sorry you're going through this,
kitkatsmama! |
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20:55:05 |
kitkatsmama |
i shouldn't say comfortable latch,
anything other than an excruciating
latch |
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20:55:14 |
Webmama_Tina |
5min til the end of this chat |
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20:55:17 |
kitkatsmama |
you and me, both (weak grin) |
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20:55:26 |
kellymom |
Is that the only change that you've had? |
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20:55:37 |
kellymom |
Are you avoiding caffeine? |
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20:56:04 |
kitkatsmama |
um, other than i'm 16 and a half weeks
pg? lol- the pain started prior to the
pg, though- and i can't do" caffeine at
all, it makes me a jittering idiot!" |
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20:56:05 |
kellymom |
I've got some tips somewhere on this -
it might be in the Breastfeeding Answer
Book. |
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20:56:15 |
MOD_Angie |
At this time, the queue is full.
Questions already in line will be asked,
but we cannot take anymore today. Sorry
for the inconvenience. |
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20:56:34 |
kellymom |
That's what I figured :) Are you sure
it's not the pregnancy that's causing
the pain and not the fibrocystic tissue? |
|
20:56:40 |
kitkatsmama |
you can always post to your message
board if you want. i have another
question there now (if it's easier) |
|
20:57:11 |
kellymom |
Just remind me :) I'll look it up for
you. I think there were tips besides the
caffeine one, but I'd have to check. |
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20:57:20 |
kitkatsmama |
i had the pain for about 5 weeks (at
least) prior to conception. origianlly
treated it as a plug, but no relief |
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20:57:39 |
kellymom |
OK, doesn't sound like the pregnancy
then. |
|
20:57:40 |
kitkatsmama |
Ultrasound didn't show anything |
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20:57:54 |
kitkatsmama |
(plugs, etc) |
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20:58:02 |
kellymom |
Do positioning changes help at all? |
|
20:59:00 |
sexymommie |
? |
|
20:59:20 |
kitkatsmama |
not so far- we usually nurse side-lying-
katherine has weaned herself to one
session at night, so that's the most
convenient. i've nursed her as cradle
as you can get with a 36 3 year old, but
it didn't seem to make a different" |
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20:59:25 |
kitkatsmama |
difference |
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20:59:47 |
kellymom |
Let's explore it more on my message
board, and see if we can come up with
anything. |
|
20:59:58 |
kitkatsmama |
just didn't know if you'd heard of the
fibrocystic changes interfering with
nursing- i feel like i'm in uncharted
waters. fair enough, thanks! |
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21:00:08 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): z2akids,
boodafli, stephfc, kayti99 |
|
21:00:11 |
kellymom |
Yes, they do sometimes interfere with
nursing :) |
|
21:00:11 |
kitkatsmama |
i'll go post a reminder there (on the
new boards) |
|
21:00:14 |
sexymommie |
? |
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21:00:34 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok my clock says time is up...but kelly
we can keep going til the end of the
current moms in the queue if you are
able to...its up to you |
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21:00:43 |
kellymom |
Yes, that's fine with me! |
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21:00:50 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok great! |
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21:00:57 |
Webmama_Tina |
just let me know if you have to go |
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21:01:12 |
kellymom |
ok, will do, but we ought to be fine. |
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21:01:26 |
Webmama_Tina |
we'll finish up the queue then...but not
take anymore...we could probably go on
forever, so i'll close the queue. :) |
|
21:01:30 |
Webmama_Tina |
At this time, the queue is full.
Questions already in line will be asked,
but we cannot take anymore today. Sorry
for the inconvenience. |
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21:01:56 |
kellymom |
I think we're ready for the next
question? If you're ok with that
kitkatsmama? |
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21:02:18 |
kitkatsmama |
oh, shoot, sorry (i'm posting on your
board right now) |
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21:02:19 |
z2akids |
Hi |
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21:02:31 |
kellymom |
lol |
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21:02:40 |
z2akids |
I actually had my question ready for a
friend who didn't think she'd make it -
can I let mikesgirl explain her problem? |
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21:02:48 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): z2akids,
boodafli, stephfc, kayti99, sexymommie |
|
21:02:57 |
mikesgirl64 |
thanks z2akids |
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21:03:01 |
MOD_Angie |
sure |
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21:03:11 |
kellymom |
Go ahead mikesgirl64 :) |
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21:03:20 |
mikesgirl64 |
i have been having problems off and on
since ive been back to work thrush,
mastitis twice etc, my dd is 6 months |
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21:03:42 |
mikesgirl64 |
the doctors have now ruled out thrush
this time but im still having rashes and
soreness and peeling skin |
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21:03:47 |
kellymom |
Wow, that's no fun. |
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21:03:50 |
mikesgirl64 |
the doctors think its eczema |
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21:03:57 |
kellymom |
That's quite possible. |
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21:03:58 |
mikesgirl64 |
but ive noticed it seems to go away
after a long weekend |
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21:04:01 |
mikesgirl64 |
when im not pumping |
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21:04:12 |
mikesgirl64 |
and then it comes back again after im
back to work |
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21:04:16 |
mikesgirl64 |
i use a pump in style |
|
21:04:20 |
mikesgirl64 |
do you have any recommendations |
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21:04:33 |
kellymom |
Now that's interesting. Do you think you
might be allergic to the pump flanges? |
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21:04:42 |
kellymom |
Or maybe even something at work? |
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21:04:49 |
mikesgirl64 |
ive never had any allergic reactions to
anything in the past |
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21:05:10 |
kellymom |
It does seem like it might be something
related to pumping or work. |
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21:05:36 |
mikesgirl64 |
it seems to be related to pumping - bc i
didnt have these problems with my
breasts before starting to pump |
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21:05:42 |
mikesgirl64 |
ive worked there for years |
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21:05:45 |
kellymom |
Do you use lanolin or anything else
different when you're pumping? |
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21:06:08 |
kellymom |
Or do you wear a different bra or bra
pads when you're at work? |
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21:06:28 |
mikesgirl64 |
no, i started using lanolin after i was
sent to infectious diseases and the doc
said that would help with the eczema |
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21:06:34 |
kellymom |
Try of think of anything that might be
different. |
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21:06:54 |
kellymom |
But some moms are also allergic to even
the purified lanolin. |
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21:07:00 |
mikesgirl64 |
the only thing that helped at all was
steriods he prescribed, but then once i
was back at work and pumping it started
again |
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21:07:31 |
mikesgirl64 |
ive heard maybe trying larger flanges so
i think that is my next step - its very
strange |
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21:07:37 |
kellymom |
Do you go long times between changing
breast pads? How about pump
sterilization and such? |
|
21:07:43 |
mikesgirl64 |
the rashiness spreads out to the skin of
my breasts at this point |
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21:08:11 |
MOD_Angie |
have you boiled your pump parts lately? |
|
21:08:12 |
mikesgirl64 |
i cant wear anything but the lilly padz
bc the otherones have been sticking to
my breasts and ripping off (ouch!) |
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21:08:21 |
kellymom |
Larger flanges can help if it's a trauma
issue, but I'm not sure that it would
help with eczema. |
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21:08:32 |
mikesgirl64 |
i boil them nightly bc we thought it was
thrush |
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21:08:37 |
MOD_Angie |
good job |
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21:09:06 |
kellymom |
It might be worth discontinuing the
lanolin to see if that helps. |
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21:09:07 |
mikesgirl64 |
its a very strange issue my ob said
she's never seen anything like it |
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21:09:30 |
mikesgirl64 |
im going to go to an lll meeting on the
third thurs of this month and see if
anyone has any suggestions after
checking it out in person |
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21:09:45 |
kellymom |
Have you already seen a dermatologist? |
|
21:10:00 |
mikesgirl64 |
no but that was next on my list after
the lll meeting |
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21:10:35 |
kellymom |
I'd definitely recommend looking into
that - they see all kinds of skin
conditions and can be a lot of help. |
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21:11:00 |
kellymom |
Though it might be a good idea to have
good access to Hale's book if the DR is
not breastfeeding-savvy. |
|
21:11:20 |
mikesgirl64 |
sounds good ill give it a try and im
going to try the bigger flanges in the
meantime - cant hurt :) |
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21:11:36 |
mikesgirl64 |
good point, maybe ill ask my ob she is
very pro-bf so maybe she can recommend
someone |
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21:11:46 |
kellymom |
Right, and it may help with any
discomfort, too. |
|
21:12:20 |
kellymom |
Feel free to post on my message board if
you'd like to explore this further :) |
|
21:12:27 |
kellymom |
We can do some more troubleshooting. |
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21:12:34 |
mikesgirl64 |
ok sounds great thanks! |
|
21:12:46 |
mikesgirl64 |
and thanks z2a for letting me ask my
question |
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21:13:07 |
kellymom |
Who's next? |
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21:13:08 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): boodafli,
stephfc, kayti99, sexymommie |
|
21:13:10 |
boodafli |
so i don't have a question-i just wanted
to say that your website saved my
nursing relationship. i gave birth at a
very non bf friendly hospital, and had
some trouble-and so learned at home,
right on your website, and dr newmans
too. but mostly yours. |
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21:13:22 |
boodafli |
and i think it's awesome that you do
this |
|
21:13:31 |
boodafli |
put this information out there for
everyone |
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21:13:38 |
kellymom |
Wow, thanks for the kind works :) It
makes it worth the work to hear that
I've helped other moms! |
|
21:13:51 |
boodafli |
:) |
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21:13:52 |
kellymom |
Words, I mean lol |
|
21:14:01 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): stephfc,
kayti99, sexymommie |
|
21:14:04 |
stephfc |
I 'm bfing my 3rd son (10.5 mos) and
seem to be really prone to plugged ducts
this time around which sometimes turn
into full-fledged infections - not sure
why but looking for ways to prevent
this. One friend mentioned grapefruit
seed extract, any ideas? |
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21:14:35 |
kellymom |
I've never heard that grapefruit see
extract did anything for plugs. Have you
looked into taking lecithin? |
|
21:14:45 |
stephfc |
Oh and I think it's awesome that you do
this too (I am currently in the
remediation business and think your new
pursuit it awesome) |
|
21:14:55 |
kellymom |
I've got an article on repeat plugs at
my website that you might find helpful |
|
21:15:05 |
stephfc |
no, what does it do? ok I can look there |
|
21:15:30 |
kellymom |
Lecithin is a nutritional supplement
that helps many moms with repeat plugs
:) (I'm one of them!) |
|
21:15:51 |
kellymom |
Also, if you have oversupply with the
baby, it may be contributing. |
|
21:15:57 |
kellymom |
(or causing the problem) |
|
21:15:57 |
stephfc |
ok thanks, it's been puzzling me and
frustrating me to have to take time out
so often |
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21:16:18 |
kellymom |
Take a look at my article - there is
lots there on figuring out and treating
the problem. |
|
21:16:21 |
stephfc |
could be, since I do pump occasionally
and might be messing up the
supply-demand cycle |
|
21:16:30 |
stephfc |
I'll look, thanks again |
|
21:16:33 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): kayti99,
sexymommie |
|
21:16:51 |
kayti99 |
perfect lead-in! |
|
21:16:52 |
kayti99 |
Your website has some really great
information on oversupply, something I
have personal experience with although I
don’t think the topic is well covered in
breastfeeding literature in general. |
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21:17:01 |
kayti99 |
I’m doing further research on
oversupply/forceful letdown (working on
fixing that deficiency) and am wondering
if you could give me your input on a
theory I have. Which is: |
|
21:17:07 |
kayti99 |
Oversupply/forceful letdown is the
culprit behind many a failed
breastfeeding relationship. |
|
21:17:17 |
kayti99 |
The baby seems to reject mom so
stridently (gulping, crying, gassy,
fussy, explosive poops, pulling off) and
can be so painful for mom (sore nipples
from pulling off/slid down latch,
engorgement, breast plugs or
infections)… |
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21:17:22 |
kayti99 |
I'm interested in your thoughts. |
|
21:17:53 |
kellymom |
Oh, I think that's definitely true.
There's a nice article on the LLLI
website also about the effects of
oversupply that talks about this. |
|
21:18:23 |
kayti99 |
I think I have that one - Mary
Jozwiak's? |
|
21:18:34 |
kellymom |
Oversupply is a much more common problem
than undersupply, and it even makes many
moms think they don't have *enough*
milk. |
|
21:18:48 |
kellymom |
I believe that's the one - there are two
parts to it. |
|
21:18:54 |
akasha |
I'm not sure it I did something wrong,
but was I dropped from the queue? Sorry
for interrupting, I put out my question
at 9:15. |
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21:19:23 |
MOD_Angie |
sry I got you now |
|
21:19:26 |
kayti99 |
if you had a specific link I'd
appreciate it, I'm trying to be as
thorough as possible (have been in touch
with the CBI too) |
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21:19:53 |
kellymom |
Take a look at my article on fast
letdown - I've got my favorite
oversupply links there :) |
|
21:20:08 |
kellymom |
There are several that I like |
|
21:20:14 |
kayti99 |
there was a broken link on that page -
I'll see if i can find it and email you
abt it. |
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21:20:33 |
kayti99 |
last follow-up |
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21:20:43 |
kellymom |
ok - it's impossible to keep up with all
the broken links :) |
|
21:20:44 |
kayti99 |
are you aware of any research showing #s
or %s, oversupply vs. undersupply? |
|
21:21:00 |
kayti99 |
i can empathize, i used to work in web
dev |
|
21:21:54 |
kellymom |
Hmmm... there is some research that
talks about undersupply certainly, but
most of the oversupply info I can think
of is more specifically on
foremilk-hindmilk imbalance" issue." |
|
21:22:24 |
kellymom |
As I recall, Diana West & Lisa Marasco's
new book on milk supply has a nice
section on undersupply. |
|
21:22:37 |
kellymom |
It should hopefully be out by the end of
the year. |
|
21:22:52 |
kellymom |
Making More Milk" <---- Great book!" |
|
21:22:55 |
Webmama_Tina |
here's a great site to find old pages
that are no longer up:
http://www.archive.org/web/web.php |
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21:23:01 |
Webmama_Tina |
if it was archived there |
|
21:23:02 |
kayti99 |
thank you - much appreciated |
|
21:23:05 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): sexymommie &
akasha |
|
21:23:12 |
sexymommie |
hi kellymom this is my first time knwing
about you so i've never been on your
website either. This is my problem.. |
|
21:23:13 |
kellymom |
That is a great site - I've found many a
lost link that way :) |
|
21:23:19 |
Webmama_Tina |
me too |
|
21:24:22 |
sexymommie |
hi sorry |
|
21:24:25 |
sexymommie |
first time on this. |
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21:24:45 |
sexymommie |
well my problem is i am a first time mom
and i'm having trouble with my son
during the days he is 2 1/2 mths old |
|
21:25:16 |
sexymommie |
i dn't knw what to do ? i mean he is
always up after 7am and he doesn't get a
good nites rest until after 6pm |
|
21:25:41 |
kellymom |
That sounds pretty normal - is he not
napping? |
|
21:25:51 |
sexymommie |
during the time from 7 am i feed him ..
and if he doesn't want to sleep i play
with him.. then when he gets' cranky i
hold him to try and put him to sleep |
|
21:26:18 |
sexymommie |
he will however sleep in my arms.. in
the snugli and stroller..but once i put
him down he is up anywhere from 10 min
to 30 min |
|
21:26:36 |
sexymommie |
and then he doesn't really get any
sleep..sometimes ilet him cry it off..
no its' rare that he naps.. |
|
21:26:47 |
kellymom |
Oh my, that's really common, and I bet
many of the other mamas here are nodding
their heads. |
|
21:26:51 |
sexymommie |
its very frustrating for me.. |
|
21:26:56 |
sexymommie |
really |
|
21:27:02 |
kellymom |
Will he nurse to sleep? |
|
21:27:16 |
sexymommie |
most of the mothers i've talked to says
it's normal but they dn't seem to have
it as bad as me |
|
21:27:25 |
sexymommie |
nurse to sleep sorry wht do u mean
himslf? |
|
21:27:33 |
kellymom |
It takes a while for babies to go from
light sleep to a deeper sleep, and
they'll often wake up if you put them
down before they're in a deep sleep. |
|
21:28:11 |
kellymom |
You were saying that you hold him to get
him to sleep and I was wondering if he
also breastfeeds and falls asleep at the
breast. |
|
21:28:18 |
sexymommie |
yah he is a light sleeper.. during the
days..but in the evening time after his
bath he seems to be knocked out in his
sleep sometimes he will cry for like 5
min.. or coo to himslf b4 he falls
asleep |
|
21:28:25 |
sexymommie |
no breast feeding.. i formula feed |
|
21:28:31 |
kellymom |
Ah, ok :) |
|
21:29:11 |
sexymommie |
yah he will fall asleep at the bottle
sometiems.. its' when i burp him.. all
of a sudden he is up.. and then when he
is finished his bottle. and i try to put
down he wails out in cries.. starting
little bit to like alot |
|
21:29:19 |
kellymom |
Some moms have good luck wearing baby in
a sling or some other sort of baby
carrier. That way baby sleeps more
because mom is near and you can get
something done too. |
|
21:29:22 |
sexymommie |
is ther any way i can make him take some
naps during the day? |
|
21:29:34 |
sexymommie |
yah i do hve him in my snugli |
|
21:29:47 |
kellymom |
I don't know of any way to make a baby
nap :) They really sleep when they're
sleepy. |
|
21:29:59 |
sexymommie |
but once i put him down or try to take
him off the snugli since he is in a deep
sleep he jsut seems to knw that i'm not
holding him and he awakes |
|
21:30:17 |
kellymom |
I've also got some tips at my website
for helping baby *not* wake up once
you've put him down. |
|
21:30:25 |
sexymommie |
i see.. but if i was to hve him in my
snugli or hold him in my arms am i
spoiling him? |
|
21:30:30 |
kellymom |
Though alot of this is simply
developmental and will improve with
time. |
|
21:30:36 |
sexymommie |
oh really wow.. can i please get your
website |
|
21:30:37 |
kellymom |
Certainly not :) |
|
21:31:06 |
calicokatt |
sexymommie, would you join me at 'the
meeting place' room when your question
is done. I would love to try to help
you. |
|
21:31:08 |
kellymom |
kellymom.com - take a look at the
comfort nursing page (even though you're
not breastfeeding it has some tips you
can probably use) |
|
21:31:12 |
Webmama_Tina |
babies can't be spoiled. :) |
|
21:31:13 |
sexymommie |
well i guess i'm jsut going thru
something normal but people tend to tell
me bout routines.? |
|
21:31:14 |
sexymommie |
oh okay |
|
21:31:26 |
sexymommie |
sure.. hmm how do i get to the meeting
place room is that another chat room? |
|
21:31:29 |
kellymom |
Babies will make their own routines if
you allow them to. |
|
21:31:50 |
sexymommie |
i see.. |
|
21:32:04 |
kellymom |
The trick is making it through the early
weeks - I know it can be hard. |
|
21:32:04 |
sexymommie |
well kelly mom tks alot.. and pls can i
hve your website so i can check into
that.. |
|
21:32:11 |
MOD_Angie |
final chatter: akasha ;-) |
|
21:32:17 |
kellymom |
kellymom.com |
|
21:32:18 |
akasha |
How do I inrease my milk supply? My son
is 7 months old, and was exclusively
breastfed for 6 months. Do you
recommend supplementing with formula?
He had recently lost weight, but we
introduced solids and formula in food so
he would take it. |
|
21:32:38 |
kellymom |
How much weight did he lose? |
|
21:33:05 |
kellymom |
Formula supplements are certainly not
the first thing to consider - it might
not even be a milk supply problem. |
|
21:33:15 |
akasha |
HE went from 16 9 at 4 months to 16 3 at
6 months. Now he is gaining weight from
solids. |
|
21:33:35 |
kellymom |
Was he sick or was anything else
different between 4 & 6 months? |
|
21:33:43 |
akasha |
No |
|
21:34:00 |
akasha |
I pumped to see my supply, and it was
approx 1-2 ounces. |
|
21:34:01 |
kellymom |
Did baby start sleeping through the
night? (that can be another culprit) |
|
21:34:30 |
kellymom |
Remember that pumping really tells you
nothing about supply, but that said,
that's a very normal amount to pump. |
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21:34:46 |
akasha |
No. He is up every 2 hrs now. AT first
he started sleeping longer, and my
supply went down. |
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21:35:01 |
kellymom |
The first thing I'd look at is
breastfeeding patterns. Are you working
with an IBCLC? |
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21:35:16 |
akasha |
I was told I am supposed to pump 6-8
ounces each time at this stage, 7
months. |
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21:35:19 |
kellymom |
That can make a big difference when
there are weight gain issues. |
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21:35:24 |
kellymom |
Oh my, no! |
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21:35:26 |
akasha |
I saw one twice. |
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21:35:32 |
kellymom |
That would be very unusual :) |
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21:35:59 |
kellymom |
What did the LC say? Did you see her due
to the weight gain issues? |
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21:36:35 |
akasha |
Yes, He has gained weight recently due
to solids. She said put him on formula
with his foods to increase protein
consumption. |
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21:37:03 |
akasha |
I mix fruit with formula and cereal 3x a
day, than breastfeed all else. |
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21:37:09 |
kellymom |
Interesting... did she help you make a
breastfeeding management plan? |
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21:37:30 |
akasha |
No. Just those 3 meals and breastfeed
on demand. |
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21:37:55 |
akasha |
He breastfeeds at least 3 x a night. |
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21:38:02 |
kellymom |
Hmmm... that's not what I'd normally
expect from an IBCLC. |
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21:38:04 |
akasha |
Exhausted mother with adorable son |
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21:38:08 |
kellymom |
I bet! |
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21:38:27 |
akasha |
What do your recommend? |
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21:38:43 |
kellymom |
I've got some articles on milk supply
and on weight gain at my website that
may be helpful for you. |
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21:38:45 |
akasha |
Should I be supplementing with forumla
for protein? |
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21:39:04 |
kellymom |
Baby can get the protein needed from
breastfeeding. |
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21:39:34 |
akasha |
I heard oatmilk increases milk supply,
or dark beer? True? |
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21:39:49 |
akasha |
Yes, but I am supposedly not producing
enough. |
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21:40:01 |
kellymom |
Working to increase supply (though
increased breastfeeding and/or pumping)
would certainly be a good way to go,
until you're sure what the problem is. |
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21:40:52 |
kellymom |
Some working moms say they get better
pump output when they eat oatmeal, but
there are no studies on this. Alcohol
decreases milk supply. |
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21:41:05 |
akasha |
Thanks. I still dont' know what was
unusual with my lactation consultant. |
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21:41:31 |
kellymom |
The most effective thing to do to
increase supply is to increase the
amount taken from the breast by adding
more breastfeeding and/or pumping. |
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21:41:52 |
akasha |
Thank-you. I will pump once a night.
Is that enough? |
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21:42:39 |
kellymom |
It will certainly help :) If you like,
post a question at my website message
board and we'll talk about it further. |
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21:42:55 |
akasha |
thank-you for your time, Good night. |
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21:43:28 |
kellymom |
Do we have any more questions? |
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21:43:38 |
sommer |
I have a question |
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21:43:53 |
sommer |
My son was 8 lbs 14 oz at birth and is
now almost 24 lbs at 5 months |
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21:44:05 |
sommer |
Do I have need to be concerned? He is
exclusively bf on demand |
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21:44:24 |
Webmama_Tina |
kelly, do you need to go? |
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21:44:30 |
kellymom |
Are you worried about too much weight
gain? :) |
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21:44:35 |
Webmama_Tina |
its been nearly 2 hours i think we
should wrap up the chat |
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21:44:39 |
Webmama_Tina |
we could probably go on forever |
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21:44:40 |
kellymom |
Nope, I'm fine here - thanks for
checking |
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21:44:41 |
Webmama_Tina |
lol |
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21:44:48 |
sommer |
yes, i am |
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21:45:03 |
Webmama_Tina |
well if you want to keep going, that's
fine :) |
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21:45:05 |
kellymom |
Nope, shouldn't be a problem. He's
getting perfect food :) |
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21:45:20 |
sommer |
So there is no need to supplement with
water? |
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21:45:26 |
kellymom |
I've got an article on that too, at my
website lol |
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21:45:32 |
kellymom |
Certainly not. |
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21:45:39 |
sommer |
I've read lots on your website, but
hadn't seen anything on this |
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21:45:40 |
kellymom |
No need at all |
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21:45:47 |
sommer |
Could he be gaining so much because of
oversupply? |
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21:46:00 |
sommer |
Or is it really just the baby gains what
he needs to theory? |
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21:46:17 |
kellymom |
Go to the babby growth page - there is
an article on too much weight gain?"" |
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21:46:41 |
sommer |
I'll check it out, thanks so much. |
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21:46:42 |
kellymom |
Yes, oversupply is commonly an issue
with those babies who gain like crazy. |
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21:46:50 |
sommer |
Is it bad? |
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21:47:12 |
kellymom |
My son doubled birth weight in 2 months
:) |
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21:47:23 |
sommer |
Okay, so I really have no need to worry.
:) |
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21:47:24 |
kellymom |
No, there is no evidence that's it's a
problem |
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21:47:34 |
sommer |
Somedays I feel like it is great, others
I freak out about it! |
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21:47:55 |
kellymom |
I think we're all like that :) |
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21:48:13 |
sommer |
Glad I'm normal. :) |
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21:48:28 |
Webmama_Tina |
i'm going to have to go...but y'all are
happy to continue as long as kelly wants
to continue...i'm wrapping up the
transcripts here at this point
though...don't want a super huge
gigantic transcript to read, lol |
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21:48:39 |
Webmama_Tina |
i'll do my closing info but y'all can
continue on.... |
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21:48:41 |
kellymom |
:) |
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