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20:02:20 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok and today we are very lucky to have linda palmer as
our guest speaker! |
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20:02:25 |
Webmama_Tina |
linda why don't you introduce yourself? |
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20:02:38 |
Webmama_Tina |
tell us a little about your background and expertise and
anything else you want to share... |
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20:02:42 |
Linda_Palmer |
I'm retired DC -- after the birth of my son |
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20:02:59 |
Linda_Palmer |
I found that pediatric advice was often far from helpful
and sometimes harmful |
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20:03:08 |
Linda_Palmer |
verydifferent from science research |
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20:03:08 |
Webmama_Tina |
and mamas, you can start throwing out your question
marks (not questions, just the marks, please) at any
time and angie will tell you when its your turn to ask
linda your question :) |
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20:03:25 |
Webmama_Tina |
and don't mind me as i do my welcome here and there for
latecomers |
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20:03:31 |
Linda_Palmer |
I was astounded at the amount of research available and
how it differed from common pediatric advice... |
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20:03:43 |
TurboClaudia |
DC == Doctor of Chiropractic ??? |
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20:03:51 |
Linda_Palmer |
Eventually came my writing of the book Baby Matters"" |
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20:04:09 |
Linda_Palmer |
Yes, Doctor of Chiro -- I practiced for 11 years
focusing on nutrition and women's issues |
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20:04:31 |
Linda_Palmer |
Rest of the book title: What your doctor may not tell
you about caring for your baby"" |
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20:04:55 |
Linda_Palmer |
1100 science journal refs among the thousands refs that
the book is based upon |
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20:05:34 |
Linda_Palmer |
I do lots of nutritional counseling --- breastfeeding
and food allergies and colic and some necessary formula
supplementers too (like adoptive moms) |
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20:06:12 |
maltagirl |
? |
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20:06:30 |
Linda_Palmer |
I've also focussed heavily on attachment parenting
issues such as co-sleeping and how their is a huge
difference in all of theses between science based
evidence and industry based disinformation. |
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20:06:38 |
Linda_Palmer |
Yes. |
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20:06:54 |
Linda_Palmer |
Yes maltagirl |
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20:06:55 |
maltagirl |
I'm here to learn more about food allergies in breastfed
babies, especially allergies that are non IgE mediated |
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20:07:01 |
Webmama_Tina |
are you ready for your first question? oh i guess you
are, lol |
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20:07:13 |
maltagirl |
my daughter has a severe peanut allergy |
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20:07:18 |
Webmama_Tina |
they will be throwing out question marks to get in line
to ask a question...just FYI linda. :) |
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20:07:27 |
maltagirl |
but it doesn't show up on any tests |
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20:07:36 |
Linda_Palmer |
UNfortunately, the tests available are not very
valuable. You need to go by what you observe. |
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20:07:52 |
maltagirl |
we know because she had anaphylaxis and any nuts I eat
give her a rash around her mouth after she nurses |
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20:08:03 |
Linda_Palmer |
Your observations are far more valuable than anything
else |
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20:08:09 |
maltagirl |
I'm avoiding nuts and other allergens so my son (also
nursing) isn't exposed |
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20:08:29 |
Linda_Palmer |
Is that her only food problem?? GOod idea on the son. |
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20:08:35 |
maltagirl |
my pediatrician knows nothing about any of this and it |
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20:08:41 |
maltagirl |
sorry -- it's very frustrating |
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20:08:58 |
maltagirl |
Anna has a bad dairy sensitivity really early on |
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20:09:03 |
Linda_Palmer |
Peanut allergies are so very common and these are at
least medically accepted. It's too bad your ped doesn't
know about it |
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20:09:18 |
Linda_Palmer |
You shoudl be able to find someone who does in terms of
the anaphylactic allergies |
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20:09:31 |
maltagirl |
in her first few weeks I saw blood in her diapers and
suspected a milk allergy because when I quit cow's milk,
she was a different baby |
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20:09:54 |
maltagirl |
but the ped tried to tell me she was overfed" (which
isn't common in a breastfed baby) and that I should
schedule her" |
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20:09:57 |
Linda_Palmer |
Now the dairy, that's a way different story in terms of
medical acknowledgement. They've been educated by
formula companies and dairy industry and that's all the
info they have. |
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20:10:20 |
maltagirl |
my gut said that was wrong so I went completely off
dairy. Turns out I was allergic, too (I felt great off
the cow juice) |
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20:10:28 |
sarahariz |
? |
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20:10:37 |
Linda_Palmer |
I'm so sorry for the ped's attitude and ignorance (did I
say that word? -- please find a gentler one for me |
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20:10:45 |
sandrin |
Mothering_Mag |
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20:10:57 |
maltagirl |
I have a known allergy to eggs, as well, and shellfish
but noe ever told me to avoid allergens while
breastfeeding |
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20:11:05 |
Linda_Palmer |
GO BY YOUR GUT!!! AND IGNORE THE REST |
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20:11:11 |
Webmama_Tina |
you made it sandrin :) |
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20:11:14 |
Linda_Palmer |
I can already see that you're going to do just fine with
this issue. |
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20:11:14 |
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20:11:27 |
maltagirl |
Anna had her first peanut butter just after she turned 1
and it was a very scary situation |
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20:11:33 |
MiaFerrer |
I would find a better Doc if i were you |
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20:11:46 |
maltagirl |
I'm in the Army and get what I get -- no real choices |
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20:12:13 |
Linda_Palmer |
You won't find a better doc in terms of the dairy ---
but your peanut child may need an epi-pen and you'll
need to consult an allergist |
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20:12:20 |
Linda_Palmer |
and hope they recognize it |
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20:12:36 |
maltagirl |
the allergist was cool about writing us notes to let us
decide what Anna eats, but was not very informative
about the results of the allergy tests that were totally
negative |
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20:12:46 |
maltagirl |
We have epi-pens everywhere Anna goes |
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20:13:03 |
Linda_Palmer |
oh my... hopefully you can keep her alive until she's
old enough for it to show up on blood tests. Many things
never do, but peanuts usually will. |
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20:13:20 |
Linda_Palmer |
Oh, well that's good. |
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20:13:23 |
maltagirl |
I read that one in five outgrows the allergy -- when is
a good age to challenge and test? |
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20:14:07 |
Linda_Palmer |
Peanut allergies are far less commonly outgrown than
other allergies. I'd wait until age 5 to try --- before
Kindergarten so you know how much challenge you'll be up
against. |
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20:14:24 |
Linda_Palmer |
If it's anaphylactic though, you might want to try in a
doctor's office. |
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20:14:47 |
maltagirl |
thanks! we will wait until then and do it at the clinic |
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20:14:53 |
Electra375 |
? |
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20:15:12 |
Linda_Palmer |
AAlso know that the first exposure might be not elicit a
response, but the body might then remember it's chosen
allergy and make antibodies that will be there waiting
for days or weeks for a second exposure --- which could
then be very bad |
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20:15:12 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): MOD_Angie Electra375 |
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20:15:36 |
Linda_Palmer |
Another question? |
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20:15:40 |
maltagirl |
I think ANna's first exposure was actually to almond
milk |
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20:16:02 |
sandrin |
? |
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20:16:04 |
janicemarchman |
? |
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20:16:09 |
MiaFerrer |
? |
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20:16:11 |
Linda_Palmer |
So some are only peanut-allergic and some to
many/most/all nuts and even peach skins and such |
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20:16:33 |
Electra375 |
My son came back neg to allergy blood test age 3 1/2.
He had a skin reaction at church to playing with and
inhaling Rye bread. He is also now on a GF diet waiting
for an offical Celiac Disease diagnosis. Long story,
but finally a doctor to listen to me |
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20:16:44 |
Linda_Palmer |
Sandrin -- your question?? ANd who said they had one
before her -- I forgot? |
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20:16:49 |
Linda_Palmer |
Oh, Electra, fine |
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20:16:50 |
Electra375 |
that something was wrong. Is it normal for children to
not show up on |
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20:16:58 |
sandrin |
my son was exposed to fish and had a rash, how long
should i wait |
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20:17:00 |
Electra375 |
RAST allergy test as positive |
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20:17:05 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): MOD_Angie Electra375
sarahariz sandrin janicemarchman MiaFerrer |
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20:17:22 |
Webmama_Tina |
woops |
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20:17:26 |
Electra375 |
Did that ? come through clearly enough |
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20:17:39 |
Linda_Palmer |
Yes --- the tests are almost always negative before age
two years |
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20:17:45 |
Electra375 |
he's 3 1/2 |
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20:17:46 |
Webmama_Tina |
angie was next...but that's ok, he can go after you
electra. :) |
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20:17:48 |
Linda_Palmer |
and after that -- I'd give them about 50 |
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20:17:53 |
Linda_Palmer |
percent accuracy |
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20:17:58 |
TurboClaudia |
? |
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20:18:05 |
Electra375 |
I feel better thank you |
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20:18:17 |
Linda_Palmer |
The upper airway allergies/IgE tests usually show more
than the intestinal allergies |
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20:18:22 |
Webmama_Tina |
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20:18:36 |
Linda_Palmer |
IgG is better for intestinal type, but still very
unreliable --- unfortunately |
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20:19:00 |
Electra375 |
they didn't run my request for IgG test |
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20:19:01 |
Webmama_Tina |
angie is our queue-keeper and she will let y'all know
when its your turn to talk to linda...right now electra
has the floor with linda... |
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20:19:29 |
Linda_Palmer |
Well, it's not going to help much anyway. Go by your own
observations |
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20:19:43 |
Linda_Palmer |
What kinds of responses does she have? |
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20:20:04 |
Linda_Palmer |
I'm sorry --- he --- and you said rash. |
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20:20:07 |
Electra375 |
They ran a RAST test to things not done on the skin test
and they ran tTg. Our ped right now thinks that my ds
has CD regardless of the test |
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20:20:29 |
Linda_Palmer |
That could end up as intestinal (H-2 receptor) type or
upper airway type (H-1 receptor) |
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20:20:37 |
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20:20:54 |
Electra375 |
not sure what that means |
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20:21:14 |
Linda_Palmer |
Celiac disease --- best to follow the gluten-free diet
for now. In the future, maybe age 3 or 5 |
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20:21:26 |
Linda_Palmer |
you may want to test again for the specific celiac stuff |
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20:21:55 |
Linda_Palmer |
It's helpful if you get positives (if they're needing to
avoid) because again you'll have something |
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20:22:12 |
Electra375 |
That is what we are doing as of 2 1/2 wks ago. GF, the
dietician suggest diary free as well, we'll have to
see. He is a very picky eater and under weight big time
-- calories are high in dairy |
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20:22:16 |
Linda_Palmer |
that is recognized by medical doctors andyou'll have
fewer challenges dealing with the world |
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20:22:50 |
Linda_Palmer |
Know though that if child has been avoiding the gluten
very well, the blood tests will be negative unless you
introduce gluten several times before testing |
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20:23:20 |
Linda_Palmer |
I almost never see anyone with food allergies, besides
the peanut and shellfish ones, that is not allergic to
dairy |
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20:23:44 |
z2akids |
Hi all. So - what happened to the cloth chat - isn't it
Wednesday's around 9? |
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20:23:49 |
Linda_Palmer |
I would always start by avoiding dairy --- it can
otherwise muddy-up the picture and make it impossible
for you to tell what else child is reacting to |
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20:23:50 |
Electra375 |
we're scheduled to meet w a gastro guy for genetic
screening in a month, I feel fortunate at this point
that the ped is not saying gluten challenge and has
written a nutrition consultation with the words
diagnosis Celiac Disease |
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20:24:11 |
Webmama_Tina |
z2akids nope, its 5pm pacific/8pm eastern |
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20:24:21 |
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20:24:27 |
z2akids |
oops. |
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20:24:34 |
Linda_Palmer |
That's a good thing for now --- and later you can always
easily have that diagnosis changed or removed from
records. |
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20:25:05 |
Linda_Palmer |
Another Q? |
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20:25:07 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): sarahariz MOD_Angie sandrin
janicemarchman MiaFerrer TurboClaudia |
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20:25:14 |
sarahariz |
my exclusively breastfed daughter had ezcema that we
traced to dairy in my diet. Also, she had a contact
hives reaction to getting yogurt on her face. Is this a
true" dairy allergy? or what does this mean?" |
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20:25:55 |
Linda_Palmer |
Well, sometimes eczema can be related to upper airway
type allergies or intestinal |
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20:25:58 |
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20:26:12 |
Webmama_Tina |
:) |
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20:26:13 |
Linda_Palmer |
You'll know by other symptoms. Any diarrhea, colic? |
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20:26:37 |
Linda_Palmer |
The hives make it sound more like the upper airway type
that, when very bad, can lead to anaphylaxis |
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20:26:43 |
sarahariz |
well, I would say no. She is 14 mo old now, and I
haven't given her dairy to eat |
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20:26:46 |
Linda_Palmer |
This is the type they call a true" allergy" |
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20:27:04 |
Linda_Palmer |
Well, don't do it just to see |
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20:27:12 |
sarahariz |
oh, even though the hives came, not from eating it, but
just getting it on her skin? |
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20:27:28 |
Linda_Palmer |
Yes, that's a more IgE - mediated reaction |
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20:27:48 |
sarahariz |
oh, at some point do I need to get it officailly
tested... |
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20:27:49 |
Webmama_Tina |
woops, i stand corrected...cloth diaper chat is
tomorrow, not today, lol |
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20:27:54 |
sarahariz |
by an allergist? |
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20:28:15 |
Linda_Palmer |
Well, it seems like the type that should show up with
allergy testing. Even as young as she is |
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20:28:25 |
Linda_Palmer |
the scratch/skin test should show positive |
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20:28:33 |
Linda_Palmer |
because it already did --- in your home |
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20:28:39 |
sarahariz |
is it worth doing for any reason? |
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20:29:08 |
Linda_Palmer |
The main reasons for laboratory testing are to prove to
in-laws or doctors or others who are pushing your
buttons |
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20:29:23 |
Linda_Palmer |
or who you fear may not believe you and may sneak things
to your child and harm child |
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20:29:38 |
sarahariz |
ok, thank you, I don't want to traumatize her
unnecessarily! |
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20:29:47 |
Linda_Palmer |
otherwise, you know what you know way better than anyone
seeing the child for a few minutes possibly could |
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20:30:06 |
sarahariz |
thank you for your answer! |
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20:30:16 |
Linda_Palmer |
I would do that testing if she's still getting that kind
of responses when she's age 3 to 5. |
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20:30:30 |
sarahariz |
Is that when I should try giving her some? |
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20:30:39 |
Linda_Palmer |
I know you won't be giving her dairy, but, as she gets
older, youo'll see that there are always teh accidental
exposures |
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20:30:53 |
maltagirl |
I am TERRIFIED to leave my mother-in-law alone with my
kid for that very reason -- she doesn't buy the allergy
thing. |
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20:30:58 |
sarahariz |
that makes sense |
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20:31:00 |
Linda_Palmer |
when you didn't know that there was whey in the
margarine in Aunt Clara's cookies |
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20:31:23 |
sarahariz |
she doesn't seem to react to butter |
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20:31:28 |
Linda_Palmer |
Yes, that is a much greater disturbance and challenge
than dealing with the actual allergies |
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20:31:32 |
sarahariz |
more like if I drink milk |
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20:31:50 |
Linda_Palmer |
Butter has only a small amount of milk protein in it ---
it may be below her threshold |
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20:32:08 |
Linda_Palmer |
but keep in mind the dose-dependent idea if you decide
to eat a stick of butter |
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20:32:11 |
Linda_Palmer |
ha ha |
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20:32:16 |
sarahariz |
and of course, I don't eat butter without heating
it-cooking it |
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20:32:25 |
Linda_Palmer |
or see if there's a problem with you using it days in a
row |
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20:32:36 |
sarahariz |
:< lol lol |
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20:32:37 |
Linda_Palmer |
Clarified butter should have only very slight traces. |
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20:32:56 |
sarahariz |
thank you! |
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20:32:57 |
maltagirl |
clarified butter=ghee? |
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20:33:00 |
Linda_Palmer |
I would use that --- to keep her from getting
continually sensitized even though she's not reacting
outwardly |
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20:33:13 |
sarahariz |
oh, I hadn't thought about that |
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20:33:19 |
Linda_Palmer |
Yes, then you can try being more slack when you're out
and about and see if that works OK or not |
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20:33:26 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): MOD_Angie sandrin
janicemarchman MiaFerrer TurboClaudia |
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20:33:36 |
Linda_Palmer |
cheese and yogurt are partially digested milk protein |
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20:33:44 |
Linda_Palmer |
some can tolerate them better |
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20:33:59 |
Linda_Palmer |
but it's best to try to avoid as well as you can so you
do not kkep the child sensitized |
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20:34:07 |
Linda_Palmer |
she'll have a better chance of growing out of it that
way |
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20:34:10 |
sarahariz |
that is good to know! |
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20:34:22 |
Linda_Palmer |
and she'll be less likely to have a bad reaction if she
gets accidentally exposed |
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20:34:38 |
Linda_Palmer |
Another Q? |
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20:34:40 |
MOD_Angie |
May I ask a chiropractic question? |
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20:34:45 |
Linda_Palmer |
Yes |
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20:34:52 |
MOD_Angie |
I fell and broke my coccyx this spring on the ice, and
now it is sticking straight out like a tail. I started
seeing a chiropractor a month ago, and I was wondering
what your thought were on this. If it doesn’t get
straighten out, will I have trouble during childbirth?
I am planning a homebirth since I don’t want to risk
another c-section after already having 2 prior
c-sections. |
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20:35:14 |
Linda_Palmer |
You won't have trouble during birht |
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20:35:20 |
Linda_Palmer |
it's actually more out of the way now |
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20:35:37 |
Linda_Palmer |
you'll be uncomfortable sitting back on it the way they
make you lie in the hospital during birht |
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20:35:43 |
MOD_Angie |
that is what I was thinking, and my DR actually
mentioned that today, but I can't stand the pain |
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20:35:47 |
MOD_Angie |
it hurts so bad |
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20:35:54 |
Linda_Palmer |
well, that's bad |
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20:36:01 |
Linda_Palmer |
I hope doc can help |
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20:36:21 |
Linda_Palmer |
it's a difficult thing to get healed right without
re-breaking it and going into a body cast |
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20:36:31 |
Linda_Palmer |
it's been done, but only after a year or two of other
efforts |
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20:36:53 |
MOD_Angie |
we did notice my Xray that my lower back is slighty
curved, and I was wondering and so was he if thought
have caused my 2 breech babies (last one did get turned
by the Webster Technique) |
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20:36:54 |
Linda_Palmer |
a tens unit may help some |
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20:37:13 |
Linda_Palmer |
curved the wrong way I guess you mean |
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20:37:22 |
Linda_Palmer |
no one can say for sure but could have influenced |
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20:37:22 |
MOD_Angie |
that* |
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20:37:23 |
MOD_Angie |
yes |
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20:37:35 |
MOD_Angie |
I get the TENS every visit, it is so nice! |
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20:37:42 |
Linda_Palmer |
Get a TENS at home |
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20:37:47 |
MOD_Angie |
how much are they? |
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20:37:49 |
Linda_Palmer |
use it a lot |
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20:37:53 |
MOD_Angie |
I want one during labor! |
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20:38:07 |
Linda_Palmer |
well, chiro can buy one for under $150 but they'd charge
you more |
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20:38:15 |
Linda_Palmer |
You might be able to get one on E-bay --- I don't know |
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20:38:24 |
Linda_Palmer |
I guess they're supposed to be regulated |
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20:38:28 |
MOD_Angie |
oh |
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20:38:35 |
Linda_Palmer |
Sometimes they're even under $90 |
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20:38:44 |
MOD_Angie |
I think I have a good relationship with my chiro that
maybe I could ask him |
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20:38:51 |
Linda_Palmer |
See what you can find --- see what DC will do for you
first |
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20:38:56 |
angcac1969 |
I have always trusted that my daughter knows her body
and what it needs. she has never liked complex flavors
like recipes with a lot of ingredients. she is almost
three and still nursing a bit. she doesn't like a lot
of sugar and is not into carbs. |
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20:39:00 |
MOD_Angie |
ok ty |
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20:39:11 |
Linda_Palmer |
it won't be very effective during bad parts of labor ---
it's a mild effect |
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20:39:21 |
angcac1969 |
I am not sure what to feed her. I guess I am a little
behind... new to chats... |
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20:39:43 |
MOD_Angie |
a little is better than none ;-) |
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20:40:09 |
Linda_Palmer |
well if she's not into sugar and carbs, it's hard for
you to lose feeding her otherwise |
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20:40:16 |
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20:40:18 |
Linda_Palmer |
avoiding trans fats would be number one rule then |
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20:40:35 |
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20:40:41 |
sandrin |
My son was exposed to fish at 9 month and he had a rash
we tried again at 11 months again but worst eash, how
long should we wait? What test shall we give him ? |
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20:40:56 |
Linda_Palmer |
give her simple fruits --- and first the veggies --- |
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20:41:01 |
Linda_Palmer |
son with fish rash |
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20:41:02 |
babybizcochan |
? |
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20:41:08 |
angcac1969 |
true. there seems to be no method |
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20:41:12 |
MOD_Angie |
please wait for your name to appear in the chat queue
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20:41:13 |
sandrin |
yeah |
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20:41:18 |
Linda_Palmer |
It's very likely he'll have fish sensitivity all his
life |
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20:41:33 |
angcac1969 |
ok, i'll try that. she likes broccoli! |
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20:41:44 |
Linda_Palmer |
there's still reason to try. Big ages for growing out
are 2 years, 5 years, 7 years |
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20:41:45 |
sandrin |
at home we don't eat other kind of meat:( |
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20:42:00 |
Linda_Palmer |
after that they usually give-up but my kid grew out of
his worst stuff at age 9 |
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20:42:23 |
sandrin |
ok |
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20:42:30 |
mommymuse |
? |
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20:42:31 |
Linda_Palmer |
walnuts will provide good omega-3's if not doing fish |
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20:42:31 |
sandrin |
shall we give him test? |
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20:42:51 |
angcac1969 |
aren't walnuts acidic? |
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20:42:51 |
Linda_Palmer |
no real reason to test until you find a reason to |
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20:42:59 |
sandrin |
he is almost a year old can he eat nuts already? |
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20:43:04 |
Linda_Palmer |
what is your ocncern with the acidic? |
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20:43:33 |
Linda_Palmer |
after 12 months OK to try walnuts, almonds, hazelnuts
(the least allergenic) |
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20:43:37 |
angcac1969 |
well, i was wondering about being more alkaline, more
balanced. so many of our foods are acidic... |
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20:43:51 |
Linda_Palmer |
you can also give spirulina or he might be fine with
fish-oil tablets |
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20:44:12 |
Linda_Palmer |
well, yes I've heard that theory |
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20:44:15 |
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20:44:28 |
angcac1969 |
but i love walnuts! |
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20:44:28 |
Linda_Palmer |
but it's more for people suffering from arthiritis or
chronic yeast or such |
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20:44:47 |
Linda_Palmer |
Omega-3's are an important part of trying to reduce or
grow-out of foood allergies |
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20:44:50 |
angcac1969 |
yes, and that is me. i have dealt with yeast etc... |
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20:44:51 |
Linda_Palmer |
and other allergies |
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20:44:51 |
sandrin |
he has had some other reaction bite looking" kind of" |
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20:45:02 |
sandrin |
i am not shure to what... |
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20:45:09 |
Linda_Palmer |
hmmm |
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20:45:21 |
Linda_Palmer |
that'll take some sleuthing |
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20:45:33 |
Linda_Palmer |
another question? |
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20:45:39 |
janicemarchman |
May I ask you an attachment parenting question? Or do
you want to stick to nutrition and body stuff? |
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20:45:48 |
Linda_Palmer |
AP is my bag!!! |
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20:45:53 |
angcac1969 |
any new information you can share? |
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20:45:55 |
sandrin |
sleuthin? |
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20:45:55 |
Webmama_Tina |
mamas...we have a line...please post a single question
mark if you have a question |
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20:45:56 |
janicemarchman |
Sweet I thought so |
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20:46:02 |
janicemarchman |
Have you ever compared babywise and attachment
parenting? I am an attached parent of a 2 yr old, but
my very pregnant friend seems to think babywise is more
her style. It may be. But, I know intuitively that I
like to wear my child, breastfed |
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20:46:03 |
Linda_Palmer |
sleuthing --- searching |
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20:46:07 |
Webmama_Tina |
*pointing to the line behind angie* |
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20:46:10 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): janicemarchman MiaFerrer
TurboClaudia babybizcochan mommymuse |
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20:46:14 |
Webmama_Tina |
there it is |
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20:46:15 |
Webmama_Tina |
:) |
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20:46:18 |
janicemarchman |
my son until he was 2, and we co-slept for the first 10
months. I also stay at home. my friend will be a
working Mom and seems to think that babywise is the only
way to go for a working Mom. I know that's not the
case, but I am trying to come up with |
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20:46:19 |
sandrin |
ok |
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20:46:29 |
janicemarchman |
some scientific proof that attachment parenting is
better for the baby and young child and then adult than
a detached method of raising kids. They are all-natural
parents - this is just strange. |
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20:46:32 |
sandrin |
thanks linda |
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20:46:33 |
Webmama_Tina |
:) |
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20:46:56 |
Linda_Palmer |
OKwell, |
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20:47:16 |
Linda_Palmer |
half my book is the solid science that supports AP
practices |
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20:47:27 |
janicemarchman |
ok I need to get that sorry - I will read it |
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20:47:28 |
Linda_Palmer |
You can see many supportive articles on my site
www.babyreference.com |
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20:47:36 |
Linda_Palmer |
the science is behind cosleeping |
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20:47:38 |
janicemarchman |
I tend to get emotional about it because I believe so
strongly in it |
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20:47:58 |
Linda_Palmer |
even though the media and formula/baby furniture
industry twist the results into the opposite |
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20:48:16 |
Linda_Palmer |
that's because it's in your blood, in your bones, in
your genes, in your hormones, |
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20:48:28 |
janicemarchman |
SIDS and everything - yeah |
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20:48:34 |
Linda_Palmer |
it's been imprinted into your brain by the hormones that
come from nursing and holding and it can't be changed |
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20:48:40 |
maltagirl |
just a thought, a lot of parents THINK they know how
they're going to parent their babies until the baby
actually comes and things like Babywise actually cause
physical distress for the parents! |
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20:49:14 |
Linda_Palmer |
If the parents are successful from the start in avoiding
bonding |
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20:49:28 |
Linda_Palmer |
then they may never get the hormonal reconfiguration in
their brains |
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20:49:36 |
MamaKT |
? |
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20:49:37 |
Linda_Palmer |
but if they give-in a little to baby's powerful messages |
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20:49:43 |
janicemarchman |
thanks for the website - I will check it out - and I
believe you - at all levels in my body and mind I know
it is right for me - I hope they change their tune |
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20:49:52 |
Linda_Palmer |
then they may turn into the real AP parents that baby
deserves |
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20:50:09 |
janicemarchman |
I hope they do just that. All babies deserve attached
parents |
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20:50:18 |
Linda_Palmer |
they may not be able to change if they were not
breastfed and affectionately treated as babies
themselves |
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20:50:26 |
Linda_Palmer |
I assure you Dr. Phil was not breastfed |
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20:50:30 |
Webmama_Tina |
ROFL |
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20:50:33 |
MiaFerrer |
LOL |
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20:50:36 |
Linda_Palmer |
Did I say that?? : ) |
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20:50:45 |
janicemarchman |
dad was - i talked with his mom at their baby shower |
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20:50:46 |
janicemarchman |
FUNNY!!! |
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20:50:56 |
Webmama_Tina |
who's next angie? |
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20:51:01 |
Webmama_Tina |
10min left in the caht |
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20:51:02 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): MiaFerrer TurboClaudia
babybizcochan mommymuse MamaKT |
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20:51:03 |
Webmama_Tina |
chat |
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20:51:10 |
MiaFerrer |
are you ready for me? |
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20:51:15 |
Linda_Palmer |
yes |
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20:51:19 |
Webmama_Tina |
looks like it mia...go for it! |
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20:51:41 |
MiaFerrer |
I am won dering about drinking wine while breast feeding |
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20:51:54 |
MiaFerrer |
i have friends who say its okay, but i dunno what's the
deal witht hat |
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20:51:56 |
Linda_Palmer |
in small amounts it's not supposed to be too bad |
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20:52:04 |
Linda_Palmer |
I wouldn't do any during pregnancy though |
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20:52:22 |
MiaFerrer |
also.... i have a friend who smoked marijuana while she
was breastfeeding.... |
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20:52:24 |
Linda_Palmer |
I'd keep it to a minimum but your sanity may be more
important |
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20:52:25 |
Webmama_Tina |
At this time, the queue is full. Questions already in
line will be asked, but we cannot take anymore today.
Sorry for the inconvenience. |
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20:52:32 |
MiaFerrer |
i am very concerned about it |
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20:52:39 |
MiaFerrer |
what are the effects???? |
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20:52:40 |
Linda_Palmer |
I wouldn't smoke drugs |
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20:52:44 |
Linda_Palmer |
while nursing |
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20:52:50 |
Linda_Palmer |
there's not enough research about the pot |
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20:53:00 |
Linda_Palmer |
but I'd say no until knowing otherwise |
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20:53:09 |
Linda_Palmer |
we know it is cancer causing |
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20:53:20 |
MiaFerrer |
That's what i thought... i didnt want to lecture her,
but i had no proof |
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20:53:22 |
Linda_Palmer |
not the lungs from smoking, but in the body |
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20:53:42 |
MiaFerrer |
how? |
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20:53:45 |
Linda_Palmer |
well, it's her choice I guess and it hopefully won't be
too bad --- at least the baby is nursing |
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20:54:01 |
Linda_Palmer |
sometiems the mom can get frustrated by all the advice
and go even farther in that direction |
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20:54:22 |
Linda_Palmer |
like me deciding to breastfeed my baby everywhere , all
the time, and as old as he got |
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20:54:31 |
Linda_Palmer |
is there another question |
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20:54:35 |
MiaFerrer |
yeah.... I think her baby is okay... he's really smart,
so i didnt know what to say her her... i just kept my
mouth shut |
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20:54:54 |
MiaFerrer |
but i like to drink wine, and my baby is not born yet,
and i wanted to make sure before she is born |
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20:55:01 |
Webmama_Tina |
there are still 4 questions and only 6min left |
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20:55:05 |
Linda_Palmer |
it could lead to his own predilection for addiction
later in life but... |
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20:55:12 |
Webmama_Tina |
do you need to leave right at the hour linda/ |
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20:55:13 |
Webmama_Tina |
? |
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20:55:16 |
Webmama_Tina |
its entirely up to you |
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20:55:20 |
MiaFerrer |
thank you |
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20:55:22 |
Linda_Palmer |
no i do not need to leave |
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20:55:32 |
Webmama_Tina |
sorry that wasn't me asking to be put in the queue
angie, lol |
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20:55:41 |
Linda_Palmer |
the younger the fetus, the more potentially ddamaging
the alcohol |
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20:55:55 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok so we can finish up the last ones then. thanks!! :) |
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20:55:57 |
MOD_Angie |
from a LLL leader........you can tell the mom that THC
(found in Marijuana) shows up in the baby's urine for 3
weeks, so she will be risking a lot if blood tests were
ever taken |
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20:56:01 |
Linda_Palmer |
a little bit in older fetus may not be too bad, but one
sure wouldn't want ot recommend it |
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20:56:27 |
Linda_Palmer |
good comment Angie |
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20:56:33 |
Linda_Palmer |
Another question? |
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20:56:36 |
TurboClaudia |
for common allergen foods & a family history (my
partner's entire family except him exhibit food
allergies & my mom, sister and I all exhibit auto-immune
issues), what schedule of food introductions would you
recommend for a baby/toddler? |
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20:56:55 |
MOD_Angie |
alcohol peaks in the milk 30-60 minutes after drinking
and 60-90 with food, so wine with dinner is ok |
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20:57:00 |
Linda_Palmer |
oh boy, with this history offood |
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20:57:08 |
TurboClaudia |
i'm specifically thinking of cow dairy, tomatoes, tree
nuts, soy |
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20:57:16 |
Linda_Palmer |
of food allergies, you need to go very slowly |
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20:57:22 |
TurboClaudia |
oh, and citrus |
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20:57:31 |
Linda_Palmer |
no nuts, no citrus |
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20:57:41 |
Linda_Palmer |
no egg, absolutely no dairy |
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20:57:48 |
TurboClaudia |
they are weird food allergies, though. shellfish, tree
nuts, tomatoes, blueberries, chocolate |
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20:57:59 |
Linda_Palmer |
I would try the soy, because it can be such a great
substitute if it works |
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20:58:04 |
TurboClaudia |
our son is almost 16 months old |
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20:58:11 |
maltagirl |
those aren't so weird, actually! |
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20:58:19 |
Linda_Palmer |
the actual foods that one reacts to will be different
froom family member to member |
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20:58:30 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): TurboClaudia babybizcochan
mommymuse MamaKT |
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20:58:32 |
Linda_Palmer |
even though the predilection will be there |
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20:58:55 |
Webmama_Tina |
:) |
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20:59:26 |
Linda_Palmer |
Turbo?? |
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20:59:40 |
TurboClaudia |
yes...??? |
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20:59:48 |
Linda_Palmer |
did you have a quesion |
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20:59:53 |
Linda_Palmer |
who's next?? |
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21:00:08 |
babybizcochan |
sorry i haven't read your book. but i was wondering
what you think about Dr. Tom Brewer's Pregnancy Diet? |
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21:00:08 |
mommymuse |
My second child is 10 weeks old and nursing
exclusively. When I ate peanut butter sandwiches, she
broke out in baby acne". Even almond butter seemed to
have an effect, so have switched to pumpkin seed
butter. I'm wondering if this means she may have a" |
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21:00:13 |
TurboClaudia |
what schedule of food introductions for a 16 month old? |
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21:00:13 |
Webmama_Tina |
i think you got her already....next is..... |
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21:00:17 |
Webmama_Tina |
ther she is |
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21:00:28 |
Webmama_Tina |
ack i just got peed on...argh |
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21:00:31 |
Webmama_Tina |
brb |
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21:00:42 |
mommymuse |
lifelong propensity to nut allergies? - sorry - jumped
in too soon. |
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21:00:42 |
TurboClaudia |
i mean when would you recommend we give him those foods
to see if he has a reaction?> |
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21:00:43 |
Linda_Palmer |
sorry don't know about Brewer's diet --- you could ask
me specific questions -- |
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21:00:55 |
Linda_Palmer |
but I'll take turbo |
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21:01:10 |
Linda_Palmer |
yes, wait at least until age two |
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21:01:19 |
babybizcochan |
how much protein should a woman eat during pregnancy? |
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21:01:22 |
Linda_Palmer |
that's a good age for certain immune system development
to complete |
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21:01:25 |
TurboClaudia |
ok, thanks |
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21:01:35 |
Linda_Palmer |
but you can go earlier on a couple things if you really
want to know |
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21:01:54 |
Webmama_Tina |
back |
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21:02:00 |
Linda_Palmer |
I know that Bradley says 100 grams |
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21:02:03 |
TurboClaudia |
we are definitely going to wait on the shellfish and the
nuts |
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21:02:07 |
Linda_Palmer |
that's on the high end |
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21:02:10 |
TurboClaudia |
thanks, linda. |
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21:02:13 |
Linda_Palmer |
but not too much |
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21:02:30 |
babybizcochan |
Thanks. Bradley uses Dr. Brewer's diet |
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21:02:33 |
Linda_Palmer |
but even 70 might be enough |
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21:02:39 |
Linda_Palmer |
oh |
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21:02:49 |
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21:02:58 |
Linda_Palmer |
Well, Bradley guy (forgot his name) and I had it out a
bit over his love of dairy |
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21:03:10 |
Linda_Palmer |
I gave him lots of info about dangers of dairy and he
didn't like that |
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21:03:11 |
Webmama_Tina |
i know we're almost done mamas, but lets not start going
all crazy here talking out of turn....lol |
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21:03:19 |
babybizcochan |
That's what I am curious about |
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21:03:28 |
Linda_Palmer |
other than that --- he's very right on with most of his
advice |
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21:03:34 |
Webmama_Tina |
i believe it is currently babybizcochan's turn |
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21:03:36 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): babybizcochan mommymuse MamaKT |
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21:03:59 |
Linda_Palmer |
I would go lightly on the dairy though |
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21:04:19 |
Linda_Palmer |
and get a lot of your meat organic or pesticide free at
least |
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21:04:27 |
babybizcochan |
how light? they suggest four servings a day |
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21:04:40 |
Linda_Palmer |
Well, I wouldnt' do that, |
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21:04:49 |
Linda_Palmer |
but tha'ts me |
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21:05:01 |
Linda_Palmer |
I was very pro-dairy before I wrote that chapter in my
book |
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21:05:10 |
babybizcochan |
thanks, i look forward to reading your book. |
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21:05:12 |
Linda_Palmer |
It's incredible all the potential problems with dairy |
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21:05:35 |
Linda_Palmer |
it'd take me an hour for that |
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21:05:49 |
Linda_Palmer |
it's linked to eclampsia for one |
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21:06:09 |
Linda_Palmer |
study shows that 3 or more servings per day will greatly
increase your chances of developo8ng eclampsia |
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21:06:21 |
Linda_Palmer |
that's the high blood pressure problem some women
develop during pregnancy |
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21:06:26 |
Linda_Palmer |
don't do raw milk for sure |
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21:06:34 |
Linda_Palmer |
do organic when you do milk |
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21:06:48 |
Linda_Palmer |
more questions? |
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21:06:52 |
angcac1969 |
? |
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21:06:52 |
Webmama_Tina |
mommymuse |
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21:06:57 |
Webmama_Tina |
you're up! |
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21:07:01 |
Linda_Palmer |
yes mommy? |
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21:07:03 |
mommymuse |
YEs, I was asking about nut allergies |
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21:07:06 |
babybizcochan |
that's interesting b/c Dr. Brewer has said that with his
diet there is less chance of eclampsia |
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21:07:11 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): mommymuse MamaKT |
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21:07:28 |
mommymuse |
If my breastfed 10 week old has a reaction to peanut
butter and even almonds, what does that mean for her
lifelong propensity? |
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21:07:30 |
Linda_Palmer |
I wonder if they have a study about that to cite? |
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21:07:41 |
Linda_Palmer |
It may not look good |
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21:07:42 |
Webmama_Tina |
angcac1969 our queue is now closed, sorry....we could,
i'm sure, go on all nite with questions for the good
dr...but we need to wrap it up at some point. :) |
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21:08:02 |
Linda_Palmer |
but there's a good chance of growing out |
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21:08:12 |
Linda_Palmer |
I wouldn't bother toying with other nuts right now |
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21:08:12 |
mommymuse |
Are there any nuts that you would recommend trying and
at what age? |
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21:08:23 |
Linda_Palmer |
you might watch for peach skins and siimilar |
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21:08:27 |
Linda_Palmer |
well, try hazelnut |
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21:08:35 |
Linda_Palmer |
that's the lowest on thel alelrgy scale |
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21:08:39 |
Linda_Palmer |
if that goes alright |
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21:08:46 |
Linda_Palmer |
then maybe go for pecan |
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21:08:54 |
mommymuse |
Also, we hav emilk goats for out milk - does that tend
to do better for little ones than cows? |
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21:09:00 |
Linda_Palmer |
walnuts are my favorite for their omega-3's |
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21:09:23 |
Linda_Palmer |
often one who's allergic to cow's milk will do OK with
goat at first |
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21:09:33 |
Linda_Palmer |
but then eventually develoop sensitivity to it as well |
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21:09:43 |
Linda_Palmer |
it's only less common allergy because it's less commonly
consumed |
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21:09:47 |
mommymuse |
Good to know! Thanks for your help. |
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21:09:54 |
Linda_Palmer |
the same components are in it that can cause allergy |
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21:10:04 |
Linda_Palmer |
but the there are those who cannot have any dairy and
are fine with goat |
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21:10:09 |
Webmama_Tina |
last question from MamaKT! :) |
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21:10:12 |
MamaKT |
My husband and I both have personal and family histories
of food allergies and severe excema. Should I still
start my 5mo son on solids around 6mo, or is it better
to wait longer in order to avoid intolerances? |
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21:10:38 |
Linda_Palmer |
WEll, I personally believe that there's no need to start
at 6 months |
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21:10:48 |
Linda_Palmer |
based upon my experience with many fmilies |
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21:10:51 |
MamaKT |
I've wondered about that |
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21:11:07 |
Linda_Palmer |
and the only research that says one needs to begin then
is done on malnourished moms in India and such |
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21:11:19 |
Linda_Palmer |
YES need to start solids even earlier in formula fed
thouog |
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21:11:28 |
Linda_Palmer |
but not if exclusively bf |
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21:11:32 |
Linda_Palmer |
but go by baby's messages |
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21:11:41 |
MamaKT |
He is only breastfed |
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21:11:43 |
Linda_Palmer |
some mistake desire to explore and teeth for desire to
eat |
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21:11:55 |
Linda_Palmer |
that's a good opportunity to take advantage of in one
who wants baby to eat |
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21:12:09 |
MamaKT |
I've thought about waiting until closer to 1yr |
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21:12:13 |
Linda_Palmer |
but see if that's what it is or if baby is really
determined that she needs other foods |
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21:12:19 |
Linda_Palmer |
yes, I'd say that 12 monts is good |
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21:12:24 |
Linda_Palmer |
few go beyond that |
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21:12:43 |
Linda_Palmer |
my son was almost exclusively breaastfed for 27 months |
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21:12:53 |
MamaKT |
Wow! |
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21:12:54 |
Linda_Palmer |
not by choice, but because we couldn't find anything
else he could tolerate |
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21:13:10 |
Linda_Palmer |
I assure you he's totally healthy and bright and
coordinated and etc. |
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21:13:10 |
maltagirl |
wow is right! |
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21:13:32 |
Linda_Palmer |
I used to joke that I'd need to breastfeed him until he
got a lactating girlfriend |
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21:13:40 |
Linda_Palmer |
actually, it was a worry, not a joke |
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21:13:45 |
MamaKT |
Isn't it hard to withstand pressure to start solids from
other mothers? |
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21:13:54 |
Linda_Palmer |
but I loved grossing out alll those people with their
rude questions about when I'm going to stop |
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21:14:03 |
Linda_Palmer |
yes it is |
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21:14:16 |
Linda_Palmer |
when you do start |
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21:14:21 |
Linda_Palmer |
do just one food at a time for day |
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21:14:28 |
Linda_Palmer |
for like 3 days I mean |
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21:14:37 |
Linda_Palmer |
and watch for any kind of signs/changes |
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21:14:50 |
Linda_Palmer |
once you decide a food is OK, you can keep it and start
another |
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21:14:57 |
Linda_Palmer |
it's such a perfect time when the diet is so simple |
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21:15:12 |
Linda_Palmer |
be sure you aren't confusing foods in your diet with
foods in the baby's diet |
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21:15:27 |
Linda_Palmer |
if things get hard to figure out, start out all over
again with one food at a time |
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21:15:35 |
MamaKT |
okay |
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21:15:43 |
Linda_Palmer |
Is there more? |
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21:15:54 |
Webmama_Tina |
that should do it |
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21:15:55 |
MamaKT |
Thanks! |
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21:15:55 |
Webmama_Tina |
:) |
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21:16:05 |
Linda_Palmer |
Thanks all!!!! it was fun!!! |
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21:16:05 |
Webmama_Tina |
thank you SOOOOOOO much linda! this was AWESOME!!! |
