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20:02:20 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok and today we are very lucky to have linda palmer as
our guest speaker! |
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20:02:25 |
Webmama_Tina |
linda why don't you introduce yourself? |
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20:02:38 |
Webmama_Tina |
tell us a little about your background and expertise and
anything else you want to share... |
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20:02:42 |
Linda_Palmer |
I'm retired DC -- after the birth of my son |
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20:02:59 |
Linda_Palmer |
I found that pediatric advice was often far from helpful
and sometimes harmful |
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20:03:08 |
Linda_Palmer |
verydifferent from science research |
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20:03:08 |
Webmama_Tina |
and mamas, you can start throwing out your question
marks (not questions, just the marks, please) at any
time and angie will tell you when its your turn to ask
linda your question :) |
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20:03:25 |
Webmama_Tina |
and don't mind me as i do my welcome here and there for
latecomers |
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20:03:31 |
Linda_Palmer |
I was astounded at the amount of research available and
how it differed from common pediatric advice... |
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20:03:43 |
TurboClaudia |
DC == Doctor of Chiropractic ??? |
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20:03:51 |
Linda_Palmer |
Eventually came my writing of the book Baby Matters"" |
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20:04:09 |
Linda_Palmer |
Yes, Doctor of Chiro -- I practiced for 11 years
focusing on nutrition and women's issues |
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20:04:31 |
Linda_Palmer |
Rest of the book title: What your doctor may not tell
you about caring for your baby"" |
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20:04:55 |
Linda_Palmer |
1100 science journal refs among the thousands refs that
the book is based upon |
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20:05:34 |
Linda_Palmer |
I do lots of nutritional counseling --- breastfeeding
and food allergies and colic and some necessary formula
supplementers too (like adoptive moms) |
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20:06:12 |
maltagirl |
? |
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20:06:30 |
Linda_Palmer |
I've also focussed heavily on attachment parenting
issues such as co-sleeping and how their is a huge
difference in all of theses between science based
evidence and industry based disinformation. |
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20:06:38 |
Linda_Palmer |
Yes. |
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20:06:54 |
Linda_Palmer |
Yes maltagirl |
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20:06:55 |
maltagirl |
I'm here to learn more about food allergies in breastfed
babies, especially allergies that are non IgE mediated |
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20:07:01 |
Webmama_Tina |
are you ready for your first question? oh i guess you
are, lol |
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20:07:13 |
maltagirl |
my daughter has a severe peanut allergy |
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20:07:18 |
Webmama_Tina |
they will be throwing out question marks to get in line
to ask a question...just FYI linda. :) |
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20:07:27 |
maltagirl |
but it doesn't show up on any tests |
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20:07:36 |
Linda_Palmer |
UNfortunately, the tests available are not very
valuable. You need to go by what you observe. |
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20:07:52 |
maltagirl |
we know because she had anaphylaxis and any nuts I eat
give her a rash around her mouth after she nurses |
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20:08:03 |
Linda_Palmer |
Your observations are far more valuable than anything
else |
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20:08:09 |
maltagirl |
I'm avoiding nuts and other allergens so my son (also
nursing) isn't exposed |
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20:08:29 |
Linda_Palmer |
Is that her only food problem?? GOod idea on the son. |
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20:08:35 |
maltagirl |
my pediatrician knows nothing about any of this and it |
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20:08:41 |
maltagirl |
sorry -- it's very frustrating |
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20:08:58 |
maltagirl |
Anna has a bad dairy sensitivity really early on |
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20:09:03 |
Linda_Palmer |
Peanut allergies are so very common and these are at
least medically accepted. It's too bad your ped doesn't
know about it |
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20:09:18 |
Linda_Palmer |
You shoudl be able to find someone who does in terms of
the anaphylactic allergies |
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20:09:31 |
maltagirl |
in her first few weeks I saw blood in her diapers and
suspected a milk allergy because when I quit cow's milk,
she was a different baby |
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20:09:54 |
maltagirl |
but the ped tried to tell me she was overfed" (which
isn't common in a breastfed baby) and that I should
schedule her" |
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20:09:57 |
Linda_Palmer |
Now the dairy, that's a way different story in terms of
medical acknowledgement. They've been educated by
formula companies and dairy industry and that's all the
info they have. |
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20:10:20 |
maltagirl |
my gut said that was wrong so I went completely off
dairy. Turns out I was allergic, too (I felt great off
the cow juice) |
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20:10:28 |
sarahariz |
? |
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20:10:37 |
Linda_Palmer |
I'm so sorry for the ped's attitude and ignorance (did I
say that word? -- please find a gentler one for me |
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20:10:45 |
sandrin |
Mothering_Mag |
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20:10:57 |
maltagirl |
I have a known allergy to eggs, as well, and shellfish
but noe ever told me to avoid allergens while
breastfeeding |
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20:11:05 |
Linda_Palmer |
GO BY YOUR GUT!!! AND IGNORE THE REST |
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20:11:11 |
Webmama_Tina |
you made it sandrin :) |
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20:11:14 |
Linda_Palmer |
I can already see that you're going to do just fine with
this issue. |
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20:11:14 |
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20:11:27 |
maltagirl |
Anna had her first peanut butter just after she turned 1
and it was a very scary situation |
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20:11:33 |
MiaFerrer |
I would find a better Doc if i were you |
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20:11:46 |
maltagirl |
I'm in the Army and get what I get -- no real choices |
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20:12:13 |
Linda_Palmer |
You won't find a better doc in terms of the dairy ---
but your peanut child may need an epi-pen and you'll
need to consult an allergist |
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20:12:20 |
Linda_Palmer |
and hope they recognize it |
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20:12:36 |
maltagirl |
the allergist was cool about writing us notes to let us
decide what Anna eats, but was not very informative
about the results of the allergy tests that were totally
negative |
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20:12:46 |
maltagirl |
We have epi-pens everywhere Anna goes |
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20:13:03 |
Linda_Palmer |
oh my... hopefully you can keep her alive until she's
old enough for it to show up on blood tests. Many things
never do, but peanuts usually will. |
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20:13:20 |
Linda_Palmer |
Oh, well that's good. |
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20:13:23 |
maltagirl |
I read that one in five outgrows the allergy -- when is
a good age to challenge and test? |
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20:14:07 |
Linda_Palmer |
Peanut allergies are far less commonly outgrown than
other allergies. I'd wait until age 5 to try --- before
Kindergarten so you know how much challenge you'll be up
against. |
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20:14:24 |
Linda_Palmer |
If it's anaphylactic though, you might want to try in a
doctor's office. |
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20:14:47 |
maltagirl |
thanks! we will wait until then and do it at the clinic |
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20:14:53 |
Electra375 |
? |
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20:15:12 |
Linda_Palmer |
AAlso know that the first exposure might be not elicit a
response, but the body might then remember it's chosen
allergy and make antibodies that will be there waiting
for days or weeks for a second exposure --- which could
then be very bad |
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20:15:12 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): MOD_Angie Electra375 |
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20:15:36 |
Linda_Palmer |
Another question? |
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20:15:40 |
maltagirl |
I think ANna's first exposure was actually to almond
milk |
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20:16:02 |
sandrin |
? |
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20:16:04 |
janicemarchman |
? |
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20:16:09 |
MiaFerrer |
? |
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20:16:11 |
Linda_Palmer |
So some are only peanut-allergic and some to
many/most/all nuts and even peach skins and such |
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20:16:33 |
Electra375 |
My son came back neg to allergy blood test age 3 1/2.
He had a skin reaction at church to playing with and
inhaling Rye bread. He is also now on a GF diet waiting
for an offical Celiac Disease diagnosis. Long story,
but finally a doctor to listen to me |
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20:16:44 |
Linda_Palmer |
Sandrin -- your question?? ANd who said they had one
before her -- I forgot? |
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20:16:49 |
Linda_Palmer |
Oh, Electra, fine |
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20:16:50 |
Electra375 |
that something was wrong. Is it normal for children to
not show up on |
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20:16:58 |
sandrin |
my son was exposed to fish and had a rash, how long
should i wait |
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20:17:00 |
Electra375 |
RAST allergy test as positive |
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20:17:05 |
MOD_Angie |
upcoming chatter(s): MOD_Angie Electra375
sarahariz sandrin janicemarchman MiaFerrer |
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20:17:22 |
Webmama_Tina |
woops |
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20:17:26 |
Electra375 |
Did that ? come through clearly enough |
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20:17:39 |
Linda_Palmer |
Yes --- the tests are almost always negative before age
two years |
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20:17:45 |
Electra375 |
he's 3 1/2 |
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20:17:46 |
Webmama_Tina |
angie was next...but that's ok, he can go after you
electra. :) |
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20:17:48 |
Linda_Palmer |
and after that -- I'd give them about 50 |
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20:17:53 |
Linda_Palmer |
percent accuracy |
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20:17:58 |
TurboClaudia |
? |
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20:18:05 |
Electra375 |
I feel better thank you |
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20:18:17 |
Linda_Palmer |
The upper airway allergies/IgE tests usually show more
than the intestinal allergies |
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20:18:22 |
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20:18:36 |
Linda_Palmer |
IgG is better for intestinal type, but still very
unreliable --- unfortunately |
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20:19:00 |
Electra375 |
they didn't run my request for IgG test |
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20:19:01 |
Webmama_Tina |
angie is our queue-keeper and she will let y'all know
when its your turn to talk to linda...right now electra
has the floor with linda... |
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20:19:29 |
Linda_Palmer |
Well, it's not going to help much anyway. Go by your own
observations |
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20:19:43 |
Linda_Palmer |
What kinds of responses does she have? |
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20:20:04 |
Linda_Palmer |
I'm sorry --- he --- and you said rash. |
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20:20:07 |
Electra375 |
They ran a RAST test to things not done on the skin test
and they ran tTg. Our ped right now thinks that my ds
has CD regardless of the test |
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20:20:29 |
Linda_Palmer |
That could end up as intestinal (H-2 receptor) type or
upper airway type (H-1 receptor) |
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20:20:37 |
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20:20:54 |
Electra375 |
not sure what that means |
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20:21:14 |
Linda_Palmer |
Celiac disease --- best to follow the gluten-free diet
for now. In the future, maybe age 3 or 5 |
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20:21:26 |
Linda_Palmer |
you may want to test again for the specific celiac stuff |
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20:21:55 |
Linda_Palmer |
It's helpful if you get positives (if they're needing to
avoid) because again you'll have something |
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20:22:12 |
Electra375 |
That is what we are doing as of 2 1/2 wks ago. GF, the
dietician suggest diary free as well, we'll have to
see. He is a very picky eater and under weight big time
-- calories are high in dairy |
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20:22:16 |
Linda_Palmer |
that is recognized by medical doctors andyou'll have
fewer challenges dealing with the world |
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20:22:50 |
Linda_Palmer |
Know though that if child has been avoiding the gluten
very well, the blood tests will be negative unless you
introduce gluten several times before testing |
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20:23:20 |
Linda_Palmer |
I almost never see anyone with food allergies, besides
the peanut and shellfish ones, that is not allergic to
dairy |
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20:23:44 |
z2akids |
Hi all. So - what happened to the cloth chat - isn't it
Wednesday's around 9? |
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20:23:49 |
Linda_Palmer |
I would always start by avoiding dairy --- it can
otherwise muddy-up the picture and make it impossible
for you to tell what else child is reacting to |
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20:23:50 |
Electra375 |
we're scheduled to meet w a gastro guy for genetic
screening in a month, I feel fortunate at this point
that the ped is not saying gluten challenge and has
written a nutrition consultation with the words
diagnosis Celiac Disease |
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20:24:11 |
Webmama_Tina |
z2akids nope, its 5pm pacific/8pm eastern |
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20:24:21 |
Webmama_Tina |
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20:24:27 |
z2akids |
oops. |
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20:24:34 |
Linda_Palmer |
