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12:45:39 |
RandallNeustaedter |
I am so sorry guys. I did not put this
on my schedule. |
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12:45:44 |
RandallNeustaedter |
But here I am. |
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12:45:46 |
Webmama_Tina |
:) |
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12:45:55 |
Webmama_Tina |
no worries, us mamas understand, right
mamas? |
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12:46:04 |
pchacon |
I have only baby today, and can stay
awhile. |
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12:46:08 |
mamacatsbaby |
Absolutely! |
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12:46:12 |
healthymomof3 |
Sure do! :) |
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12:46:15 |
mom0810 |
Of course! |
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12:46:17 |
taina22 |
yes |
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12:46:47 |
eksrunningmama |
I've done that before, for sure! |
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12:47:07 |
Webmama_Tina |
okey dokey....lets get rolling...let me
know, dr, how late you can stay til so i
know where to cut things off |
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12:47:13 |
RandallNeustaedter |
Ok thanks, let's get to work. |
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12:47:18 |
Webmama_Tina |
we have 13min left in the time frame,
but can go a little later if you can |
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12:47:33 |
RandallNeustaedter |
Let's go until 11:15 |
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12:47:45 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok you're also on pacific time, right? |
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12:48:01 |
Webmama_Tina |
cuz that would be 28min from now for
me |
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12:48:10 |
Webmama_Tina |
that would be good :) |
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12:48:11 |
RandallNeustaedter |
Yes that should give us a half hour |
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12:48:16 |
Webmama_Tina |
right ok gotcha |
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12:48:21 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok mamas...throw out those question
marks |
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12:48:42 |
Webmama_Tina |
who's gonna get their question mark
posted first.... :) |
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12:48:54 |
mom0810 |
? |
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12:48:57 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok |
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12:49:00 |
Webmama_Tina |
mom0810 you're up! |
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12:49:44 |
mom0810 |
We have an 8 month old baby and have
not vaxed as of yet. Which, if any,
vaccines do you think are relevant at
this age? I am still nursing 90%, some
solids started. |
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12:50:26 |
RandallNeustaedter |
i do not recommend that any babies get
vaccines until at least 12 months |
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12:50:38 |
Webmama_Tina |
Here's teh topic for today, by the way:
Join Dr. Neustaedter in a casual chat on
Back to school issues: pressure to
vaccinate, exposure to illnesses, plans
for the academic year."" |
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12:50:53 |
RandallNeustaedter |
The risks to their nervous and immune
systems are just too high. |
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12:50:56 |
pchacon |
? |
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12:51:09 |
mom0810 |
Great, that is kind of what I had
planned. At that age, which would you
start? We have discussed Hib and DTap
as the only ones we would consider. |
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12:51:43 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: mom0810 --
upcoming chatters: pchacon |
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12:52:02 |
RandallNeustaedter |
Breastfeeding is clearly preventive for
Hib, so that decision may include your
plans for daycare and nursing. |
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12:52:38 |
healthymomof3 |
? |
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12:52:41 |
RandallNeustaedter |
I suggest that everyone read my book
The Vaccine Guide before making
decisions about vaccinating of course. |
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12:53:14 |
RandallNeustaedter |
Then you will have all the info you
need about those 3 diseases and vaccines
to make a decision. |
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12:53:19 |
mom0810 |
No plans for daycare, so I probably
will not do Hib at all. Thanks for
confirming what I already felt to be
true. :) I have read your book and it
helped SO much in our choice to delay.
Thank you. |
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12:53:35 |
RandallNeustaedter |
great |
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12:53:37 |
RandallNeustaedter |
next |
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12:53:49 |
pchacon |
I just ordered 2 of your books. Is
there a rule of thumb regarding vaxes?
Or, is each one evaluated separately
regarding risk of disease, risk of
vaccine. |
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12:53:55 |
pchacon |
Are the risk ratios different for each
vaccine? |
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12:53:58 |
Webmama_Tina |
pchacon your'e up |
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12:54:01 |
Webmama_Tina |
oh you are |
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12:54:02 |
Webmama_Tina |
lol |
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12:54:15 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: pchacon -- upcoming
chatters: healthymomof3 |
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12:54:29 |
megan-nedlife |
? |
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12:54:58 |
RandallNeustaedter |
There are some issues that impact all
vaccines such as immune function and
additives in vaccines. Other issues
involve the specific diseases, their
dangers, likelihood, complications, and
the toxicity of the vaccine. |
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12:55:42 |
RandallNeustaedter |
I think it is important to understand
the global issues, and then look at each
vaccine. |
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12:55:43 |
Webmama_Tina |
http://mommychats.com/mothering/randallneustaedter6.htm
for links to the dr's books...i put them
at the top of every transcript to his
chats :) |
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12:55:49 |
Webmama_Tina |
links will open in a new window |
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12:56:05 |
RandallNeustaedter |
Hope that helps. |
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12:56:06 |
pchacon |
I have read some information on the
toxicity of the vaccine and also the
relevance of the vaccine in our society.
The concept is that many of the diseases
are already decreasing. |
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12:56:25 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: pchacon -- upcoming
chatters: healthymomof3 megan-nedlife |
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12:56:33 |
pchacon |
Then, there was only empirical evidence
of dangers. I found it lacking in
research and fact. |
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12:56:34 |
2boyzmum |
Webmama I am back, I want to chat about
any prevention between toddler siblings
and babies....I am BF 2 month old who
just got first cold from big brother. |
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12:56:45 |
Webmama_Tina |
2boyzmum i'll add you tot he queue |
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12:56:49 |
2boyzmum |
thx |
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12:56:52 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: pchacon -- upcoming
chatters: healthymomof3 megan-nedlife
2boyzmum |
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12:57:01 |
RandallNeustaedter |
Again you need to look at each disease.
Some diseases are just not present and
the vaccines are really unnecessary
(polio). |
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12:57:02 |
pchacon |
Are there good numbers out there about
the risks of the vaccines? |
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12:57:26 |
RandallNeustaedter |
that is a very complicated question |
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12:57:34 |
pchacon |
Yeah, sorry. |
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12:57:37 |
RandallNeustaedter |
The answer is no. |
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12:58:02 |
pchacon |
Not a complicated answer :? |
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12:58:05 |
RandallNeustaedter |
We know a lot, but there are no black
and white statistics, just relative
dangers. |
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12:58:45 |
pchacon |
What do you think is the biggest risk
in vaccinating as children are today? |
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12:58:58 |
RandallNeustaedter |
The statistics have factors such as
under-reporting of reactions, killed
studies conducted by drug companies,
lack of funds for studying
non-vaccinated children, etc. |
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12:59:15 |
RandallNeustaedter |
next |
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12:59:17 |
Webmama_Tina |
we're on a very limited time frame here
mamas, lets try to keep things moving so
we can get as many mamas questions
answered as we can. :) |
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12:59:28 |
Webmama_Tina |
healthymomof3 |
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12:59:30 |
Webmama_Tina |
you're up! |
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12:59:31 |
healthymomof3 |
I am not going get my girls the MMR
vaccine but should I consider the
Rubella vax only for the when they are a
bit older? Also, do you recommend well
baby visits? |
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12:59:33 |
pchacon |
Thanks/ |
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12:59:49 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: healthymomof3 --
upcoming chatters: megan-nedlife
2boyzmum |
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13:00:38 |
RandallNeustaedter |
I think you should get their titers
checked when they are considering
pregnancy. Then make a decision based on
the prevalence of rubella at that time.
Rubella is nearly extinct now. |
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13:01:18 |
healthymomof3 |
Thanks. Also, my daugher's school is
okay with vaccine exemtions...should I
be concerned about the TB skin test and
decline that as well? |
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13:01:45 |
RandallNeustaedter |
I do recommend well baby visits to
detect some things that parents may not
be aware of, such as anemia, hearing or
vision problems, etc., but I realize it
can be very stressful if the
pediatrician is badgering you about your
philosophy. |
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13:02:09 |
healthymomof3 |
Yes, like a battle! |
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13:02:30 |
RandallNeustaedter |
Yes TB tests do cause problems, and
there will soon be an accurate blood
test for TB that European countries have
been using for years. |
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13:02:38 |
RandallNeustaedter |
next |
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13:02:58 |
Webmama_Tina |
megan-nedlife |
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13:02:59 |
Webmama_Tina |
you're up |
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13:03:13 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: megan-nedlife --
upcoming chatters: 2boyzmum
Webmama_Tina |
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13:03:32 |
Webmama_Tina |
megan? |
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13:03:35 |
megan-nedlife |
My 5 yr old is going to kindergarten
this year |
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13:03:38 |
Webmama_Tina |
there ya are |
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13:03:54 |
RandallNeustaedter |
I am sorry that so many of you are
battling pediatricians. We are trying to
train more to practice holistic
pediatrics. |
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13:04:10 |
megan-nedlife |
and she just had her titers tested for
MMR, and Tetanus and Diptheria - she has
immunity for MMR, and Diptheria, but not
Tetanus |
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13:04:28 |
megan-nedlife |
should I vax her against tetanus or
should I wait for her to get hurt? |
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13:04:40 |
RandallNeustaedter |
Has she been previously vaccinated? |
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13:04:49 |
megan-nedlife |
yes up, until she was 2 |
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13:05:05 |
megan-nedlife |
her 2 yr old sister begain regressing
into autism after her 12 mo shots, so I
am very nervous |
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13:05:39 |
megan-nedlife |
she is due for all of those boosters at
her physical for school |
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13:05:52 |
RandallNeustaedter |
Then she will respond to a tetanus
booster if she gets a serious injury at
any time in the future. I would wait
until then if it were my child. |
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13:06:06 |
megan-nedlife |
And what about the IPV? she is due for
that one as well. |
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13:06:14 |
megan-nedlife |
but we didn't check her titers for it |
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13:06:40 |
RandallNeustaedter |
Of course this decision is up to you
because those antibody levels are likely
to decrease over the next 5 years. |
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13:07:11 |
RandallNeustaedter |
There is no reason to give Polio to
children unless they are traveling to
rural west Africa or Asia. |
|
13:07:11 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: megan-nedlife --
upcoming chatters: 2boyzmum
Webmama_Tina |
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13:07:19 |
megan-nedlife |
ah, okay. |
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13:07:21 |
RandallNeustaedter |
next |
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13:07:22 |
megan-nedlife |
great! |
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13:07:25 |
megan-nedlife |
thank you! |
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13:07:38 |
Webmama_Tina |
2boyzmum |
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13:07:41 |
2boyzmum |
What can we do from a holistic point
for prevention. We won't vaccinate for
the flu, but with a 2 month old baby I
worry about our toddler bringing home
the bad bugs at preschool this year.
For example the 2 month old has his
first nasty cold today... |
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13:07:46 |
Mwalling |
? |
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13:08:13 |
Webmama_Tina |
current chatter: 2boyzmum -- upcoming
chatters: Webmama_Tina Mwalling |
|
13:08:18 |
2boyzmum |
Try to keep them from spreading but it
is tough...I know he is strong and gets
my antibodies but you hate them to get
sick at 2 mos |
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13:08:39 |
2boyzmum |
I am breastfeeding of course :) |
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13:09:44 |
RandallNeustaedter |
I like to give children colostrum
(either fresh cows or powdered), vit C,
fish oil, and other immune building
herbal formulas if needed on an
individual basis. All of these issues
are discussed on my website and in my
book. |
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13:10:11 |
Webmama_Tina |
can you share your site link again
please dr. :) |
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13:10:17 |
Webmama_Tina |
for those that don't have it yet |
|
13:10:18 |
RandallNeustaedter |
Breastfeeding is preventive of course,
and supplements can be given after
weaning. |
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13:10:23 |
RandallNeustaedter |
www.cure-guide.com |
|
13:10:39 |
2boyzmum |
Cool, I will check that out. My only
other question is will my fish oil
supplement assist baby? Vit C? That is
all for me. Thanks so much! |
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13:10:39 |
RandallNeustaedter |
next |
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13:10:45 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok that's me... |
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13:11:18 |
Webmama_Tina |
dr, i recently got a forward from a
friend of mine to a study that was
circulating on the autism today
newsletter about a drop in autism rates
since the removal of thimerosal? |
|
13:11:20 |
RandallNeustaedter |
Yes all nursing mothers should be
taking an omega-3 supplement, fish oil
in adequate amnts. |
|
13:11:36 |
2boyzmum |
THX! bye! |
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13:11:51 |
RandallNeustaedter |
Vit C does not work so well thru
breastmilk, but some will go through. |
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13:12:01 |
Webmama_Tina |
i asked my ped about it but he said
that's not true...now my ped is
awesome...not holistic, per se, but i do
trust him implicitly ...he's totally AP
friendly and supports families choice to
not vaccinate |
|
13:12:11 |
Webmama_Tina |
but i wonder if he has all the info on
this...do you know about this study? |
|
13:12:33 |
Webmama_Tina |
i'm looking at it right now and it says
that the numbers come right from the
governments own databases |
|
13:12:50 |
RandallNeustaedter |
Yes, there was a study that reported a
decrease, and another study that refuted
it, (however the second study did have
some methodological problems and
associated criticisms. |
|
13:12:52 |
Webmama_Tina |
the title is: Autism Rates Decline as
Mercury Removed from Childhood Vaccines
Independent Analysis Refutes Institute
of Medicine Claims of No Relationship,"
While Mercury Still Used in Flu & Other
Vaccines" |
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13:13:43 |
Webmama_Tina |
that first one showed a dramatic
decrease, is that info out there? |
|
13:13:54 |
Webmama_Tina |
i mean is it being shielded from the
public? |
|
13:13:57 |
RandallNeustaedter |
There is a lot of pressure to prove
that mercury has nothing to do with
autism. There are many millions of
dollars in lawsuits at stake. |
|
13:14:21 |
Webmama_Tina |
because my dr said that there wasn't a
drop and that they are waiting for the
autism caused by mercury crowd to say
they were wrong |
|
13:14:28 |
Webmama_Tina |
which surprised me...coming fromt his
dr |
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13:14:33 |
Webmama_Tina |
i see |
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13:14:50 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok Mwalling has the last question :) |
|
13:14:58 |
Mwalling |
Hello Dr. |
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13:15:01 |
RandallNeustaedter |
We common citizens are hardly
considered in this very high stakes
corporate enterprise. |
|
13:15:09 |
Webmama_Tina |
i bet |
|
13:15:27 |
Mwalling |
My DD was recently denied a spot in
home daycare due to her un vaxed status |
|
13:15:46 |
Mwalling |
the reason given to me was that she was
a threat to the DS of the provider her
has diabetes |
|
13:15:49 |
Mwalling |
Is She? |
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13:16:31 |
RandallNeustaedter |
Each state has different laws and I
would contact the immunization office at
your state health dept to find out the
law governing day care providers. |
|
13:17:06 |
RandallNeustaedter |
If the provider's son has been
vaccinated and she believes vaccines
work, then what is she worried about? |
|
13:17:25 |
Mwalling |
His DR told her my dd would pose a
threat. |
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13:17:57 |
Mwalling |
I never thought of her posing a threat
to anyone else due to her status |
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13:18:27 |
RandallNeustaedter |
You need to call them on this
fallacious argument. The point of
vaccinating is to protect" children from
the diseases. So there should not be a
threat for the vaccinated." |
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13:18:42 |
Webmama_Tina |
wow we got a lot answered in a short
amount of time! thank you sooooo much dr! |
|
13:18:52 |
Mwalling |
Thank you I will make that point to
her. I've definately needed time to cool
down |
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13:18:56 |
Webmama_Tina |
once again you can find the links to
the drs books here: http://mommychats.com/mothering/randallneustaedter6.htm |
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13:18:58 |
RandallNeustaedter |
Of course all of that hinges on the
effectiveness of vaccines, which we all
know is very questionable. |
|
13:19:07 |
Webmama_Tina |
now dr, which of your vaccine books do
you recommend to get the most info? |
|
13:19:16 |
RandallNeustaedter |
I am happy to make up some time later
this month to discuss school issues. |
|
13:19:26 |
Webmama_Tina |
there are 3 i see that look like they
are on the same or similar issue |
|
13:19:27 |
RandallNeustaedter |
So let me know, and see you guys soon. |
|
13:19:31 |
Webmama_Tina |
thank you dr! |
|
13:20:04 |
RandallNeustaedter |
The Vaccine Guide provides all the info
you need to make an informed decision. |
|
13:20:12 |
Webmama_Tina |
or perhaps i have 2 up there that are
the same book but different editions? |
|
13:20:21 |
Webmama_Tina |
so there are 2? |
|
13:20:32 |
Webmama_Tina |
the immunization decision...is that
more of an overview then? |
|
13:20:33 |
RandallNeustaedter |
The older title was The Immunization
Decision. |
|
13:20:40 |
Webmama_Tina |
oh so they are the same book? |
|
13:20:45 |
RandallNeustaedter |
The newest edition is 2002. |
|
13:20:56 |
Webmama_Tina |
should i take the immunization decision
off that list? |
|
13:21:05 |
RandallNeustaedter |
Yes it is out of print. |
|
13:21:15 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok i'll take that off...but there are 2
vaccine guides? |
|
13:21:31 |
Webmama_Tina |
or are they the same book, different
editions? they have different subtitles
so i wasn't sure if they were different
books |
|
13:22:01 |
RandallNeustaedter |
There is a newer edition with a
different cover. the latest subtitle is
Risks and Benefits for Children and
Adults. |
|
13:22:09 |
RandallNeustaedter |
It includes adult vaccines as well. |
|
13:22:15 |
Webmama_Tina |
ok that clears it up for me! i'll edit
that then...thanks dr! |
|
13:22:20 |
Webmama_Tina |
and thank you so much for sticking wtih
us! |
|
13:22:24 |
RandallNeustaedter |
See you all soon. |
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13:22:29 |
Webmama_Tina |
i've emailed cynthia about
rescheduling |
|
13:22:32 |
Webmama_Tina |
let y'all figure that out |
|
13:22:36 |
Webmama_Tina |
take care dr! |
|
13:22:43 |
Webmama_Tina |
and thank you all for hanging in
there! |
