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18:05:45 |
gaby |
hi claudia |
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18:07:01 |
claudia |
Hi Gaby. |
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18:07:07 |
gaby |
hi |
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18:07:25 |
claudia |
Are you here for the ICAN chat? |
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18:07:31 |
gaby |
yes i am |
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18:07:52 |
claudia |
We are both early, apparently it starts
at 5 pm. But go ahead. |
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18:08:15 |
gaby |
what time is it |
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18:08:28 |
gaby |
i get confussed with these time
differences |
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18:08:36 |
claudia |
It is 4:08 mountain time. I am in
Edmonton, Canada. |
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18:08:58 |
gaby |
its 6;08 here in nyc |
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18:09:09 |
gaby |
so am i an hour early |
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18:09:26 |
claudia |
I am here already. Do you have a
question? |
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18:09:56 |
gaby |
well im 6 weeks pregnant and i still
dont have a care taker yet |
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18:10:15 |
gaby |
i cant believe whats out there |
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18:10:28 |
claudia |
You mean they have refused you? |
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18:10:38 |
gaby |
yeah |
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18:10:52 |
claudia |
Wow. That's mean. |
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18:11:11 |
gaby |
one midwife that i heard was supposed to
be good said no we dont take vbacs
especially after 3 sections |
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18:11:44 |
gaby |
one ob said oh we dont recommend vbacs
and im like well i wouldnt recomend u to
any one i know |
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18:12:11 |
claudia |
Nice ob. He probably wants you to have a
cesarean. |
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18:12:28 |
gaby |
one midwife that i met seems good but
she has to get an ob too ok the labor |
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18:12:47 |
gaby |
i dont know what to do if no one takes
me as there patient |
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18:13:02 |
claudia |
Yes that's happened. And that is how
they get you because the OB will say no.
Can you ask more midwives? |
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18:13:18 |
gaby |
theres really not too many |
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18:13:44 |
claudia |
I know. Have you tried many OB's? |
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18:13:51 |
gaby |
no i didnt |
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18:14:10 |
gaby |
i can go back to my old ob but i know
for sure because he already told me he
would schedule me |
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18:14:16 |
gaby |
but that doesnt mean i have to show up |
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18:14:40 |
claudia |
It will be painful to be rejected over
and over but the alternative is to show
at the hospital at the pushing stage. Ha
ha. |
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18:15:03 |
gaby |
i already thought about that but what do
i do for prenatal care |
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18:15:40 |
claudia |
A GP/family doctor or midwife can do the
prenatal care until the last 2 months. |
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18:16:02 |
gaby |
ahhhhhhhh i see |
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18:16:13 |
claudia |
Then you get transferred to an OB. |
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18:16:33 |
gaby |
and thats when they schedule for the
csection |
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18:16:47 |
claudia |
But if the OB is hassling you, you miss"
the last few appointments." |
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18:16:55 |
gaby |
good idea |
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18:17:34 |
gaby |
this pregnancy i feel so layed back i
dont know if thats a good thing almost
like im very relaxed and not even
nervous |
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18:17:54 |
claudia |
That is very good. It means you have
trust in the birth. |
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18:18:09 |
gaby |
i do its every one else i dont trust |
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18:18:30 |
claudia |
I know. There is always an unattended
birth. |
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18:18:38 |
gaby |
and i lied to all my friends and family
about the due date |
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18:18:53 |
gaby |
and i told them that i was scheduling so
i dont get hassled |
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18:18:57 |
claudia |
Good for you. You dont need that
pressure. Did you add 2 weeks or more? |
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18:19:10 |
gaby |
and told my husband not one word to no
one what our plans are |
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18:19:16 |
gaby |
oh yeah |
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18:19:34 |
gaby |
im due the 18 of august i told them
early september |
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18:19:40 |
claudia |
I added 2 weeks too. And I only had 1
prior cesarean. |
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18:20:06 |
gaby |
i gotta do whats best for my sanity |
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18:20:42 |
claudia |
Sanity, good. |
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18:20:42 |
gaby |
i read on ican that someone just had a
hwba3c did u see that |
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18:21:12 |
gaby |
it seems we are seeing more moms with
vba3c |
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18:21:44 |
claudia |
Cesareans do get boring with time. I
have met many multiple VBAC homebirths
waterbirths myself. |
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18:21:51 |
gaby |
how many children do u have |
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18:22:11 |
claudia |
Only 2. One cesarean was enough for me
to fight back. |
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18:22:23 |
gaby |
i here u |
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18:22:48 |
gaby |
the reason im on number 4 is because 2
were from my previous marriage |
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18:23:28 |
claudia |
What made you change directions now from
a repeat cesarean? |
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18:23:38 |
gaby |
i always fought for a vbac |
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18:23:49 |
gaby |
never turned out in my favor |
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18:24:06 |
claudia |
Really? You tried twice? Both in
hospital or with midwives? |
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18:24:18 |
gaby |
both in the hospital |
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18:24:37 |
gaby |
one was ten years ago when they wanted
woman to vbac |
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18:24:48 |
gaby |
the last section was almost 2 years ago |
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18:24:49 |
claudia |
Hospitals have very low success" rates
in any decade." |
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18:25:28 |
gaby |
i guess my research of ten years ago
wasnt enough because i ended up with
pitocin and being layed in bed |
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18:25:43 |
gaby |
this last child i had a doula but i had
prom for 40 hours |
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18:26:17 |
gaby |
the doctor didnt push me into the
csection he said if i wanted to i could
labor for days it was the doula who gave
up on me |
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18:26:40 |
claudia |
The research is never enough. It is how
well the doctor trusts you. Forty hours
of pressure in the hospital. The doula
gave up? Did she not have a backup
doula? |
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18:26:45 |
gaby |
of course the doctor appreciated that
from her |
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18:26:55 |
gaby |
nope |
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18:27:31 |
gaby |
i had told my husband and my doula i
didnt want to go to the hospital and she
said well lets just see the progress
that we made |
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18:27:48 |
gaby |
and once in the hospital i was admitted
because of the ruptured membranes |
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18:28:14 |
gaby |
but i had only my ob check me and he
allowed me to walk in the halls and no
ive hook up |
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18:28:49 |
gaby |
this time things are going to be what i
say or else they get kicked out |
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18:29:20 |
claudia |
A doula friend of mine was on a VBAC for
28 hours but had to call for backup. I
am a doula too and I want my clients to
make me work hard. |
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18:30:02 |
gaby |
i dont know why she didnt have any
backups |
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18:30:55 |
claudia |
Soem don't. Or they do and then the
backups are not available. In any case.
She was not supposed to tell you to have
a cesarean. She should have just gone
for a nap and come back later. |
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18:31:42 |
gaby |
yeah she told me because i was only at
2cm that it might take long time before
i dilate and then when i do i might be
so tired to push |
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18:32:03 |
gaby |
what a crock every time i think about it
i want to kick myself over and over |
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18:32:40 |
claudia |
I know. This birth thing for you
obviously needs to be clock-less. |
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18:33:19 |
gaby |
i guess everyone has to go with there
own instincts and i have to learn not to
listen to someone elses demands |
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18:33:29 |
claudia |
yes. |
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18:34:23 |
gaby |
well in the past as soon as i took the
test and it was positive right away i
would call the ob and make an
appointment this time i took it and i
was like oh im pregnant ok |
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18:35:47 |
claudia |
We look for others to take care of us,
it is very natural. Until we learn that
we have to take care of ourselves. |
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18:36:35 |
claudia |
Are you a member of ICAN? |
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18:36:39 |
gaby |
yes |
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18:37:03 |
claudia |
The next issue of the Clarion should
have great articles for you. |
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18:37:19 |
gaby |
im looking foward to it |
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18:38:09 |
gaby |
i need articles to show my midwife she
wants me to get any members from ny whos
had a vba3c |
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18:38:16 |
gaby |
but im not sure how to go about it |
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18:38:24 |
claudia |
I need to do some things, can I be back
at 5 pm? |
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18:38:35 |
gaby |
sure ill see u then |
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19:02:36 |
claudia |
Hi Amber. |
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19:03:19 |
claudia |
I am Claudia from ICAN, the
International Cesarean Awareness
Network. |
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19:05:01 |
marcia |
hello ladies |
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19:05:26 |
gaby |
hi marcia |
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19:06:03 |
claudia |
Amber must be off for a while. Hi Gaby
and Marcia. Thanks for waiting. |
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19:06:10 |
marcia |
np |
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19:06:37 |
claudia |
Gaby, I found a VBAC after 3 cesarean
story. It is my friend Denise's at
http://www.asac.ab.ca/BI_summer04/bstory_Iskiw.html |
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19:06:49 |
gaby |
oh ok great |
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19:07:59 |
claudia |
This is Denise's full VBAC story at
http://www.asac.ab.ca/BI_summer03/brthstry_iskiw.html |
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19:08:27 |
claudia |
Hi Marcia. Do you have questions? |
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19:09:30 |
gaby |
brb |
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19:10:01 |
marcia |
i had a few v/b questions |
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19:10:08 |
claudia |
Sure. |
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19:10:29 |
marcia |
& i can't remember except a few people,
who all had v/bs |
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19:10:55 |
claudia |
Most cesarean moms go on to have more
cesareans, VBACs are the minority. |
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19:11:05 |
marcia |
well i know everything in the pelvis
stretches for the birth, but how long
does it about take to get back to where
it doesn't hurt any more? |
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19:11:23 |
claudia |
Your pelvis hurts? |
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19:11:49 |
marcia |
i don't know if you remember my recent
story, i had a c/s, then i had a v/b for
my baby that died at 37wks, actually i
think it's been 1-1/2wks since her birth |
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19:12:19 |
claudia |
