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19:01:50 |
tjamois |
Hi there.... |
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19:02:03 |
tjamois |
This is Tonya, ICAN President |
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19:02:06 |
tjamois |
:) |
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19:02:13 |
daisygrl |
Nice to meet you Tonya. |
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19:02:18 |
daisygrl |
I am Corrie... |
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19:02:30 |
daisygrl |
are yo leading the chat tonight? |
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19:02:36 |
tjamois |
I suppose I am! |
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19:02:40 |
daisygrl |
:) |
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19:02:47 |
tjamois |
WE also have Krista who will be back in
a second |
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19:02:55 |
daisygrl |
oh, ok. |
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19:02:57 |
tjamois |
and if Shannon is coming over too, there
will be 3 Board members here |
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19:03:05 |
daisygrl |
Good stuff. |
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19:03:14 |
tjamois |
Are you on the ICAN list? |
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19:03:15 |
daisygrl |
And did you have a c-birth? |
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19:03:24 |
daisygrl |
I am not on the list... don't know much
about it. |
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19:03:25 |
tjamois |
My first was....6 1/2 years ago |
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19:03:28 |
daisygrl |
Don't get here often. |
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19:03:30 |
tjamois |
how about you? |
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19:03:39 |
daisygrl |
Emma just turned 3 on the 12th... |
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19:03:59 |
tjamois |
Do you have any others kids? |
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19:04:02 |
daisygrl |
she was born by c-section after 34 hours
of labour... |
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19:04:07 |
daisygrl |
she is the only one. |
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19:04:16 |
daisygrl |
too afraid to try again! to be honest! |
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19:04:26 |
tjamois |
you're not alone... ((hugs)) |
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19:04:30 |
daisygrl |
thanks |
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19:04:33 |
daisygrl |
I know I am not... |
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19:04:41 |
daisygrl |
just I am the only one to be able to do
it! |
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19:04:42 |
tjamois |
a lot of women are afraid of getting pg
again.... |
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19:04:52 |
daisygrl |
my pg was hell too!! |
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19:04:57 |
tjamois |
a second pregnancy brings back a lot of
the stuff from the first birth |
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19:05:07 |
daisygrl |
I know a lot more now though... still
looking for that strong inner voice
though... |
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19:05:12 |
tjamois |
every pregnancy is different......:) |
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19:05:16 |
tjamois |
Just as every birth is too |
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19:05:21 |
daisygrl |
I have heard that, and witnessed it with
friends |
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19:05:24 |
tjamois |
Where do you live? Is there an ICAN
chapter near you? |
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19:05:37 |
daisygrl |
fear is still real that it will be the
same... |
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19:05:48 |
tjamois |
totally understandable.... |
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19:05:55 |
daisygrl |
I live in Calgary, Alberta Canada...so I
don't know if there is one here or
not... |
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19:05:55 |
ourwiefamily |
hi NuTeenMom! You found us! |
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19:06:04 |
NuTeenMom |
do they do this alot |
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19:06:12 |
tjamois |
Alberta.....we have one in Edmonton, but
I know that isn't near you... |
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19:06:14 |
KristaJoy |
Daisy, hi from a Regina girl :-) |
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19:06:19 |
tjamois |
in fact, DH will be traveling to Calgary
in a few weeks |
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19:06:27 |
daisygrl |
Krista- hello fellow CDN. |
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19:06:28 |
tjamois |
sorry to be OT---but whats the weather
like there? |
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19:06:37 |
daisygrl |
Edmonton is 3 hours away... |
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19:06:51 |
daisygrl |
Today the weather was warm . |
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19:06:58 |
daisygrl |
+ 13 degrees celsius |
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19:07:09 |
tjamois |
okay....I'm in San Diego....so cold to
me means I have to put on a sweater, lol |
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19:07:11 |
KristaJoy |
haha define warm for Tonya, she lives in
southern CA |
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19:07:19 |
daisygrl |
no snow right now... and freaky nice...
like a bit too nice... in that scary
sort of way |
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19:07:35 |
KristaJoy |
yeah xmas in SK was like that this
year... I kept waiting for the blizzard! |
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19:07:49 |
tjamois |
No chapter in Calgary, right KCS? |
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19:07:50 |
KristaJoy |
and it's not even chinook for you guys
right now either.. it's just the weather
pattern |
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19:07:54 |
daisygrl |
Well, it was sunny and beautiful and if
you were doing something- you would only
need a sweater... |
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19:07:54 |
KristaJoy |
right Tonya |
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19:08:07 |
daisygrl |
Krista... totally right. |
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19:08:21 |
KristaJoy |
my sis just moved to Kelowna. My SIL
lives in Calgary |
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19:08:33 |
daisygrl |
cool! |
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19:08:36 |
daisygrl |
does she have kids?! |
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19:08:38 |
daisygrl |
brb |
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19:08:42 |
KristaJoy |
she gave birth at the hospital that was
on the top 10 evil CDN hospitals with
antibiotic resistant bugs in them!
lovely |
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19:08:54 |
KristaJoy |
my sis in KElowna just gave birth to #6
last night |
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19:09:13 |
ourwiefamily |
LOL .. you guys are cracking me up w/
weather talk. I live in the great white
north and don't even want to THINK about
weather. Let's talk birth hee hee |
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19:09:26 |
tjamois |
I just heard today on the news about how
bad hospitals are for staph infections |
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19:09:55 |
tjamois |
I'm reading The Medical Delivery
Business."" |
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19:09:58 |
daisygrl |
Krista- what hospital was that? |
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19:10:32 |
ourwiefamily |
gee ... pleasant thoughts about
infections and hospitals! |
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19:10:43 |
KristaJoy |
mmm can't remember name |
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19:10:57 |
daisygrl |
So... is there anything in Calgary as
far as support groups go or awareness? |
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19:10:57 |
KristaJoy |
my FIL was leaving the hospital from
visiting her and new baby, and he heard
it on CBC news in the car!!!! |
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19:11:21 |
KristaJoy |
There probably are some birth-oriented
groups. But until you start our brand
new ICAN chapter in Calgary, there isn't
an ICAN group there. <BIG GRIN> |
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19:11:25 |
daisygrl |
And is that why your hubby is coming
here or does he work inthe oil industry? |
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19:11:31 |
TurboClaudia |
hi all! how are you today? |
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19:11:32 |
KristaJoy |
(did I mention I'm the Chapter
Director???? lol) |
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19:11:39 |
ourwiefamily |
Claudia!!! |
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19:11:40 |
tjamois |
Hi Claudia |
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19:11:46 |
daisygrl |
Krista... I would totally do that! |
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19:11:49 |
daisygrl |
:) |
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19:11:49 |
tjamois |
and everyone...its been awhile since
I've been here |
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19:11:55 |
tjamois |
I meant to be here last time |
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19:12:03 |
ourwiefamily |
I missed the last couple becasue of
schedule snafus |
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19:12:08 |
tjamois |
but had a reporter from NBC in my living
room! |
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19:12:09 |
KristaJoy |
You should come join the main ICAN email
list, there may be some other Albertans
lurking on there |
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19:12:11 |
TurboClaudia |
oh, the love... :) |
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19:12:27 |
daisygrl |
Krista... sure, how do I do that? |
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19:12:29 |
ourwiefamily |
well, NBC is a good excuse, tonya lol |
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19:12:38 |
KristaJoy |
http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/ican-online |
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19:12:45 |
tjamois |
ha! They haven't aired it yet. So
we'll see |
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19:12:48 |
TurboClaudia |
an nbc reporter in tonya's living room?
huh? how? |
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19:12:50 |
ourwiefamily |
I met a vbac hopeful mom in my area and
it made me wish all the more that we had
ICAN locally |
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19:12:51 |
tjamois |
AS it turned out, the guy's wife had 4
c/s |
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19:13:00 |
tjamois |
he told me after the interview |
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19:13:20 |
tjamois |
After the first c/s, she was too afraid
to try VBAC....for #3 she wanted to but
they told her it was too dangerous |
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19:13:27 |
tjamois |
and I assume #4 wasn't even questioned |
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19:13:50 |
tjamois |
women aren't supported in VBAC....that
is why chapters are so important |
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19:14:04 |
Tania |
Hi everyone am new here so just getting
a feel for everything |
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19:14:07 |
tjamois |
there isn't much incentive to support
VBAC for hosptials, doctors, etc |
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19:14:11 |
tjamois |
Hi Tania....how are you? |
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19:14:14 |
tjamois |
Nice name, btw |
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19:14:19 |
tjamois |
My name is Tonya.... |
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19:14:21 |
tjamois |
:) |
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19:14:23 |
Tania |
Good Tonya, Happy New Year |
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19:14:33 |
Tania |
I know...I met you at ICAN |
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19:14:34 |
TurboClaudia |
tonya, what did the interviewer ask you
about? |
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19:14:46 |
tjamois |
Lots of stuff.....lets see..... |
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19:15:04 |
tjamois |
the producer really liked our STatement
of Belief that talked about patient
choice c/s being unethical for docs |
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19:15:09 |
tjamois |
So I made sure to give them that one |
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19:15:16 |
tjamois |
They wanted to know a list of reasons
for the high c/s rates |
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19:15:25 |
tjamois |
it was pretty much whatever I wanted to
say, really |
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19:15:33 |
tjamois |
they film it all and they choose the few
seconds to put on air |
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19:15:50 |
tjamois |
they took some video of my VBAC kid and
me doing a puzzle..... |
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19:15:55 |
KristaJoy |
Tania from Singapore? |
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19:15:58 |
ICANShanon |
I'm really here, I promise :) |
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19:16:01 |
tjamois |
Oh right! |
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19:16:13 |
Tania |
Sure is how are you Krista? How is that
gorgeous baby of yours? |
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19:16:14 |
LaurainAK |
hi ladies! |
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19:16:15 |
tjamois |
THAT Tania.... |
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19:16:17 |
daisygrl |
Krista- I just joined, depending on your
approval of course! |
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19:16:18 |
daisygrl |
:) |
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19:16:21 |
KristaJoy |
you're not really here. You're a
figment of our imagination :-) |
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19:16:25 |
TurboClaudia |
were you speaking as an official ICAN
representative, tonya? |
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19:16:28 |
KristaJoy |
ACtually I'm not the mod, daisy. :-) |
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19:16:29 |
tjamois |
Yes |
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19:16:38 |
KristaJoy |
but you'll get approved |
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19:16:46 |
KristaJoy |
gorgeous baby is screaming on my lap I
may have to go! :-( |
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19:16:53 |
TurboClaudia |
and did they give you the option of
viewing the final cut of the story
before they air it? |
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19:16:55 |
daisygrl |
Krista- well... then on whoever is! I
assume I will be there soon. |
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19:16:59 |
tjamois |
Oh no way, Claudia |
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19:17:05 |
tjamois |
its a 90 second piece |
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19:17:13 |
TurboClaudia |
90 seconds... wow... |
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19:17:16 |
KristaJoy |
reporters hate doing that |
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19:17:16 |
tjamois |
and they still hadn't interviewed the OB
and the woman who wante dthe c/s |
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19:17:22 |
KristaJoy |
I've never gotten that even from print
articles |
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19:17:24 |
Tania |
So Tonya sounds like you are getting
there and making some chage...good for
you |
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19:17:26 |
tjamois |
i'll be lucky to get a heads up before
it airs |
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19:17:36 |
tjamois |
We're getting on the radar of the
national media, so that's good |
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19:17:41 |
TurboClaudia |
it's good to know that birth has such a
high priority right now... |
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19:17:42 |
tjamois |
its progress.... |
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19:17:47 |
TurboClaudia |
*tongue in cheek* |
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19:17:48 |
Tania |
send it over to ASIA PLEASE |
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19:17:49 |
tjamois |
what it needs is a Dateline special |
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19:17:51 |
KristaJoy |
yes when you get to chat with Katie
Couric you know you're getting there eh
Tonya |
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19:17:56 |
tjamois |
or an hour long investigative piece |
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19:17:58 |
tjamois |
lol |
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19:18:15 |
KristaJoy |
I still luagh when I think of Katie's
inability to say the word Vaginal"" |
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19:18:23 |
tjamois |
Whats the c/s rate like in Singapore,
Tania? |
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19:18:31 |
ourwiefamily |
what gets me these days is how often I
run into the attitude from women who
have never had a c-s that the increase
of c-s is just because we want them |
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19:18:31 |
Tania |
45% in private hospitals |
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19:18:32 |
TurboClaudia |
well, awesome that they interviewed
you. :thumbs up: |
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19:18:39 |
Tania |
95% of OB's here are active management |
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19:18:47 |
daisygrl |
The family needs to eat, so I must
run. But thanks for the ICAN update...
hopefully I will be able to m ake it
back again someday! |
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19:18:56 |
tjamois |
Yes...that and its because women are
afraid of normal childbirth |
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19:19:20 |
tjamois |
which may be true in a way....i
mean--what images of NORMAL birth are
there out in the world? |
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19:19:37 |
Tania |
we also have a huge cultural thing going
on here as well. It is Chinese New Year
next Monday and Tuesday and the Chinese
celebrate this more than Christmas |
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19:19:38 |
tjamois |
even the ABC story showed the normal
birthers" lying flat on their backs
screaming bloody murder" |
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19:20:11 |
Tania |
So many sweet little babies will be born
via c-section because they believe that
it is auspicious to have your baby right
on New year |
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19:20:14 |
ourwiefamily |
you mean ... gasp ... not everyone lies
on their back screaming bloody murder? |
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19:20:15 |
LaurainAK |
that disturbed me the most about the
peice |
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19:20:15 |
Tania |
How sad is that? |
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19:20:26 |
TurboClaudia |
here's a question for you all... an
acquaintance of ours had her baby by
cesarean over a year ago after a very
long labor, pitocin augmentation,
epidural, and baby ended up being brow
presentation. |
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19:20:36 |
tjamois |
oh right! |
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19:20:59 |
TurboClaudia |
now she tells all her friends that she's
oging to sign up for the cesarean right
away if she ever decides to do it
again. what can i say in response when
she says that in front of me? |
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19:21:03 |
ourwiefamily |
very sad Tania |
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19:21:12 |
Tania |
Yes how auspicious to have your baby on
the first day of the lunar new year and
then spend the next 5 days in nicu |
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19:21:18 |
tjamois |
Hmm...Claudia |
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19:21:29 |
tjamois |
do you know if it was induced to begin
with....or was the pit to augment? |
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19:21:37 |
tjamois |
(Just seeing how I would approach it) |
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19:21:52 |
TurboClaudia |
i don't want to invalidate her
experience, but i want others to know
that surgical birth is not the safe,
easy choice that some may be inclined to
gthink it is... |
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19:22:01 |
ourwiefamily |
Claudia ... say she says it in front of
a group ... I would just quietly add ..
I have had c-s too but wouldn't just
sign up for one."" |
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19:22:04 |
TurboClaudia |
pitocin augment |
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19:22:17 |
Tania |
brow presentation could have been the
pit jamming bub down |
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19:22:21 |
TurboClaudia |
it was on christmas eve, however... |
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19:22:27 |
tjamois |
dang |
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19:22:29 |
TurboClaudia |
early morning of christmas eve, anyway |
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19:22:34 |
Tania |
before babe was in a cosy position. See
it all the time unfortuantely |
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19:22:38 |
ourwiefamily |
You can input your experience gently
w/o sounding like you are contradicting
her, though I can't figure out the
wording right now |
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19:23:14 |
Tania |
TC (can I call you that?) she may not be
ready to think differently |
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19:23:23 |
ourwiefamily |
Maybe even saying, I know some moms feel
that way, but I had a really hard
recovery after my c-section and have
found vaginal birth to be the safest
option for me."" |
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19:23:30 |
tjamois |
and my baby |
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19:23:36 |
ourwiefamily |
yeah |
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19:23:44 |
LaurainAK |
I just talked to my BIL today, his
stepdaughter just had a VBAC over much
protest from her in-laws :p BIL and
his wife were encouraging her to go for
the VBAC |
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19:23:53 |
tjamois |
its frustrating to see women who beleive
what goes on in hospitals as being the
norm for vaginal birth |
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19:23:57 |
ourwiefamily |
I try to get the concept of comparative
risk benefit analysis" into every
conversation I can too" |
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19:24:01 |
tjamois |
YES |
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19:24:02 |
bunnymom |
with my 1st i had a long horribly
painful pit aug then csec, i was scared
to try birth again at first- it takes a
while to get over it before you can
think about trying labor again
TurboClaudia |
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19:24:20 |
ourwiefamily |
The concept that each mom and baby
couple needs to look at what their
individual risks for c-s and vbac are. |
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19:24:32 |
tjamois |
many women who have c/s are too
traumatized to even get pg again and
stop |
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19:24:45 |
ourwiefamily |
That way it doesn't outright say that
someone else's c-s decision is wrong,
but it gets the point across that hey
there are risks to both options. |
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19:24:46 |
tjamois |
even when they had originally planned
more kids |
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19:25:04 |
ourwiefamily |
yeah ... tonya ... so what's with ME?
Why on earth do I keep having kids?!?! |
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19:25:07 |
bunnymom |
i went to a lot of the ICAN mtgs for
support to heal from a bad birth
experience and wound up gaining the
knowledge and confidence to try vbac-
had a great home vbac in the end |
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19:25:08 |
tjamois |
:) |
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19:25:16 |
tjamois |
congrats! |
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19:25:45 |
TurboClaudia |
:lol karla... |
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19:25:51 |
ourwiefamily |
I kwym though seriously ... it's hard to
keep having babies even when we really
want to and had always hoped to after
having had traumatic births, whether c-s
or vaginal |
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19:25:52 |
bunnymom |
claudia- just quiet offering of
information - little tidbets and let in
sink in with your friends |
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19:26:05 |
tjamois |
plant little seeds |
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19:26:09 |
tjamois |
then water them..... |
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19:26:15 |
ourwiefamily |
I am in a group w/ a gal who had 2
c-sections for her two kids and that is
all she would want to have |
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19:26:17 |
TurboClaudia |
i don't see her that often, but that is
what i try to do. |
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19:26:19 |
ourwiefamily |
We are best friends |
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19:26:35 |
ourwiefamily |
and we have just worked it out. I mean
... I really respect why she feels that
way. |
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19:26:48 |
tjamois |
i had a friend who had a bad
vb....prolapsed uterus |
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19:26:53 |
tjamois |
and she chose c/s the second time around |
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19:27:04 |
tjamois |
her c/s was jsut as healing for her as
my hbac |
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19:27:05 |
TurboClaudia |
i also recognize it's harder for me to
speak from an experience place since i
didn't have a cesarean but i have
supported women as a doula who have had
cesareans and i see the pain and
challenge of having a newborn and
healing yourself. |
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19:27:07 |
ourwiefamily |
Frankly, she is unlikely to get pg again
anyway (serious fertility issues). If
she does, it will just be one more
baby. In her case, she may be better
off planning a c-s for a lot of reasons. |
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19:27:17 |
tjamois |
unfortunatley, I beleive her problems
were caused by the doc in the first
birth |
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19:27:18 |
bunnymom |
yes- it can be traumatic either way |
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19:27:29 |
ourwiefamily |
my most traumatic birth was one of my
vaginal births |
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19:27:31 |
ourwiefamily |
by far! |
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19:27:31 |
tjamois |
and she's under the impression that
she's just not able to birth |
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19:27:40 |
Tania |
how sad |
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19:27:54 |
tjamois |
it was sad...she coudlnt' wait for them
to cut that b aby out |
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19:27:59 |
bunnymom |
i try to respect people decision-
whether to vbca or repeat csec- but i
want it to be an informed choice not
just out of fear or ignorance kwim |
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19:28:09 |
tjamois |
had an amnio at 36 weeks to see if the
lungs were mature enough |
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19:28:19 |
tjamois |
You're right, bunnymom.... |
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19:28:22 |
ourwiefamily |
yes bunnymom, kwym |
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19:28:22 |
Tania |
absolutely but many are just not ready
and most importantly not prepared to do
the work |
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19:28:35 |
tjamois |
and thats the rub because women are not
given adequate info about the risks of
CS |
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19:28:38 |
ourwiefamily |
the problem is they have to fight so
*hard( |
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19:29:05 |
Tania |
but they can find that info Tonya |
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19:29:05 |
tjamois |
whether its a primary c/s or a repeat |
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19:29:12 |
ourwiefamily |
I know one gal who would happily vbac,
but her local hospital doesn't allow it
and she doesn't like the big hospital
where they do vbac (which is a trip for
her) |
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19:29:13 |
tjamois |
They can----but the mainstreamers don't |
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19:29:15 |
Tania |
If they walk their talk, they can find
it |
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19:29:18 |
tjamois |
they go by what their docs tell them |
|
19:29:26 |
ourwiefamily |
and she won't consider hbac |
|
19:29:43 |
tjamois |
and don't even question it unless they
go out of their way...or run across an
ICAN person....or really don't want to
repeat the experience |
|
19:29:48 |
ourwiefamily |
I have shared info with her but she has
this gut feeling she shold just have
another c=s. Won't matter what I say.
I fully expect her to ultimately
schedule |
|
19:29:58 |
talitha |
Hello |
|
19:30:08 |
talitha |
Is this the ICAN chat? |
|
19:30:11 |
tjamois |
Hi Talitha |
|
19:30:12 |
tjamois |
Yes! |
|
19:30:15 |
tjamois |
Welcome |
|
19:30:16 |
talitha |
Yippie!!!!!!!!!! |
|
19:30:29 |
talitha |
I JUST read that email and registered as
quick as I could |
|
19:30:32 |
ourwiefamily |
I just hope if she does schedule that
she will go to the bigger (further away)
hospital because her little one doesn't
have an NICU ... and frankly, she is
more likely to need the NICU w/ ERCS
than w/ VBAC |
|
19:30:33 |
bunnymom |
with my 3rd i tried to get information
about the need to induce or section when
the fluid levels are low but i could not
find very much- it is hard to go against
dr's advice when you cant find info the
contradicts it |
|
19:30:50 |
bunnymom |
i tried contacting ican unsuccessfully |
|
19:30:54 |
tjamois |
REally? |
|
19:31:03 |
tjamois |
By what avenue? |
|
19:31:05 |
Tania |
bunnymom, did you have the option of a
second opinion? |
|
19:31:16 |
tjamois |
(I need to know when people try and
don't get through to us) |
|
19:31:16 |
TurboClaudia |
and then you hear the horror stories on
oprah or montel of the woman who was in
labor with twins and she sensed
something was wrong and wanted a
cesarean and the docs reassured her and
basically refused and now one son is
brain injured and req life care |
|
19:31:17 |
bunnymom |
no not under my health insurance |
|
19:31:35 |
tjamois |
Or our own dear Amanda.... |
|
19:31:40 |
talitha |
I never heard that about oprah |
|
19:31:42 |
ourwiefamily |
yes |
|
19:31:45 |
bunnymom |
i tried the website and talked to the
head of another chapter not close to me,
but she didnt have any info on iit |
|
19:31:55 |
Tania |
Tonya, I have been posting on ICAN
online but some of my posts aren't
coming through. Not sure what the
problem may be..maybe because I'm so far
away perhaos? |
|
19:32:05 |
tjamois |
Sometimes yahoo is wonky |
|
19:32:09 |
talitha |
I have that problem with posts, too |
|
19:32:13 |
tjamois |
sometimes posts come through out of
order... |
|
19:32:20 |
tjamois |
we'd love to move it to our own
server... |
|
19:32:23 |
bunnymom |
my ob wanted to induce because my fluid
levels were low- seemed like a ploy to
me, but i could not find any info to
contrdict that waiting would not be a
problem |
|
19:32:34 |
tjamois |
but with the volume we're afraid to
until we have our own server issues
worked out |
|
19:32:36 |
talitha |
I posted about our homebirth decision
and it never went through. |
|
19:32:40 |
talitha |
THat was yesterday |
|
19:32:55 |
ourwiefamily |
do you have gmail? |
|
19:32:55 |
Tania |
sorry to hear that bunnymom. It sounds
like you lot (meaning U.S based) have
your work cut out for you with insurance
issues and threats of calling in DFS if
you don't agree to stuff |
|
19:32:57 |
tjamois |
yahoo is wierd---sometimes it may take a
day or so....i have no idea whya :( |
|
19:33:22 |
marcia |
hey ladies |
|
19:33:27 |
tjamois |
Hi Marcia! |
|
19:33:28 |
ourwiefamily |
hi! |
|
19:33:46 |
tjamois |
We used to have the list on our own
server back in 2003 |
|
19:33:50 |
tjamois |
and it crashed the server! |
|
19:34:05 |
tjamois |
with 100 posts on average going to so
many people... |
|
19:34:11 |
tjamois |
we had to move it to yahoo :( |
|
19:34:12 |
Tania |
Well it was nice meeting you all. I must
go. have a dear friend and colleague in
labour....having a homebirth and wants
me. Gotta run |
|
19:34:20 |
tjamois |
Happy birthing! |
|
19:34:24 |
tjamois |
Nice talking to ya! |
|
19:34:41 |
bunnymom |
i tried contacting my old ICAN gang from
when i was pres but couldnt find them-
it was very frustrating |
|
19:34:48 |
Tania |
yeah you too Tonya, see ya ladies |
|
19:34:52 |
talitha |
So I met with my OB yesterday, and I
think we are going to stick with hi, |
|
19:34:55 |
marcia |
hey- anyone know how you get 'chorio'
w/o a ROM? |
|
19:35:03 |
tjamois |
Bunnymom.....whats your real name? you
were pres? |
|
19:35:11 |
talitha |
him |
|
19:35:36 |
tjamois |
Whats he say about vbac? |
|
19:35:43 |
bunnymom |
well then i didnt have a prob worrying
about cps or anything but i couldnt get
the info |
|
19:35:56 |
bunnymom |
I was NE reg dir and pres of the local
cha[ter |
|
19:36:05 |
tjamois |
Ah! |
|
19:36:11 |
talitha |
He's SOO supportive! |
|
19:36:22 |
tjamois |
A lot of the women who were involved in
the beginning/middle have moved on |
|
19:36:23 |
talitha |
HE's going to let me go with no epidural
and a heploc only |
|
19:36:34 |
tjamois |
I've tried reaching out to ones here
locally with NO luck at all |
|
19:36:42 |
tjamois |
How many weeks are you, Talitha? |
|
19:37:01 |
talitha |
Part of me is a little sad to give up
the idea of a homebirth, but I just feel
like it's too much for me right now |
|
19:37:09 |
talitha |
I'm 16 1/2 weeks? |
|
19:37:26 |
tjamois |
What's his VBAC rate? |
|
19:37:59 |
talitha |
I don't knwo the rate. BUt he said that
he has done VBA2C before. |
|
19:38:11 |
tjamois |
thats good...so you're vba2c? |
|
19:38:20 |
talitha |
ANd he wants me to rotate with him and
the midwives, skipping the other OB's in
the practice |
|
19:38:24 |
talitha |
Yep |
|
19:38:27 |
tjamois |
wonderful! |
|
19:38:46 |
Irish_Mama |
Hi Ladies...sorry, trying to read and
feed a cranky toddler. May not be able
to post much... |
|
19:38:46 |
talitha |
HE said he's confident becasue he did
both of my CS and he knows he did a
great job |
|
19:38:47 |
ourwiefamily |
talitha ... the place of birth isn't
nearly as important as the support and
knowledge of the caregivers. For many
of us, we find we get the safest care at
home but there are those gems of doctors
who do a great job in hospital and we
can't forget them! : |
|
19:39:15 |
tjamois |
I'd love to have a VBA2C hospital birth
story for the Clarion! |
|
19:39:28 |
talitha |
I really feel like I am very lucky to
have him, so I'm going to take advantage
of it. I expect that we will do a
homebirth next tiem, though |
|
19:39:37 |
talitha |
Clarion? |
|
19:39:39 |
tjamois |
Karla is right---- |
|
19:39:43 |
KristaJoy |
trying to type with sleeping baby on
lap.... |
|
19:39:44 |
tjamois |
The Clarion is ICAN's quarterly
newsletter |
|
19:39:49 |
ourwiefamily |
I like to hear a doctor who is confident
in his own work. I always wonder when
they start worrying over the uterus
rupturing ... I'm alway slike, don't you
trust your own work to hold together?
Do you have a money back guarantee??? |
|
19:39:51 |
katherina75 |
Hello! |
|
19:39:51 |
tjamois |
All ICAN members get it |
|
19:39:59 |
katherina75 |
Im Tina and Im new |
|
19:40:06 |
tjamois |
Hi Tina! |
|
19:40:07 |
talitha |
I'm not due until July, but I'll give
you all the info you want :) |
|
19:40:21 |
katherina75 |
Hi tjamois |
|
19:40:32 |
tjamois |
Hi...this is Tonya, ICAN President :) |
|
19:40:33 |
ourwiefamily |
talitha ... I'm due in June, so we
aren't far off in pg! :) |
|
19:40:37 |
talitha |
Do you have my email? |
|
19:41:03 |
katherina75 |
I just went thru my pregnancies and I
just had my baby boy....hes 5 mos old |
|
19:41:11 |
tjamois |
awwww |
|
19:41:12 |
talitha |
Lucky, you're going first! |
|
19:41:30 |
talitha |
HEHe |
|
19:41:39 |
talitha |
Ok, so I know allot of people are
against the u/s |
|
19:41:53 |
tjamois |
I had one..... |
|
19:42:00 |
tjamois |
they have their place...IMO |
|
19:42:06 |
talitha |
But my hubby agreed to let me get a
3D/4D. ANy htoughts? It's a 3rd party
service |
|
19:42:13 |
KristaJoy |
TAlitha you can subscribe to The Clarion
by becoming an ICAN member here -
http://www.ican-online.org |
|
19:42:19 |
talitha |
My OB will never get any records form it |
|
19:42:29 |
talitha |
Ok, I'll do that! |
|
19:42:40 |
KristaJoy |
My thoughts are: what will the info
from the U/s do for you? |
|
19:42:41 |
ourwiefamily |
talitha ... I would so die to have an
ultrasound from a 3rd party place |
|
19:42:44 |
tjamois |
We got one because we wanted to know if
#2 had a cleft lip like #1 |
|
19:42:49 |
KristaJoy |
what risks are there? what benefits? to
you and to baby? |
|
19:42:52 |
KristaJoy |
and go from there |
|
19:43:03 |
ourwiefamily |
I want an ultrasound this pg to see
where my placenta is and to discover
gender. Yes, I want to konw. |
|
19:43:07 |
tjamois |
it was 3D in parts......but at 20 weeks
it wasn't that great of an image |
|
19:43:26 |
Irish_Mama |
Karla, have you found out with other
pregnancies? |
|
19:43:30 |
tjamois |
I like Krista's question analysis |
|
19:43:37 |
ourwiefamily |
but I don't want all the other things
that come w/ routine ultrasound ... yk,
the stupid little things they find out
at the same time |
|
19:43:39 |
tjamois |
Those are the questions to ask for any
prenatal testing |
|
19:43:51 |
katherina75 |
I just joined ICAN just recently....and
I have learned a lot. I wish I had
joined a LONG time ago. Cuz I had
soooooooooo many questions about c/s.
but I already went thru 2 c/s and had my
tubes tied |
|
19:43:54 |
TurboClaudia |
yes, krista's question analysis is good. |
|
19:43:55 |
talitha |
I'm so ashamed. I jsut want to know
what it is, and have the video for Selah
to watch. THat's really selfish, isn't
it. |
|
19:44:13 |
ourwiefamily |
I tried to find out w/ my first two pg
but the kids were shy". My third pg we
had the ultrasound too early. My fourth
and fifth, we didn't have ultrasound and
my 6th we had one at the end for
positioning issues and discovered
gender" |
|
19:44:17 |
ourwiefamily |
I *loved* knowing |
|
19:44:28 |
tjamois |
With ds, it was either a boy or a 3
legged girl! |
|
19:44:29 |
ourwiefamily |
It actually made the pg more positive
for me and the bonding afterward easier |
|
19:44:29 |
tjamois |
lol |
|
19:45:00 |
Irish_Mama |
I like the surprise, but then again this
is number two...so maybe a few more down
the road and I may want to know :) |
|
19:45:02 |
talitha |
I have dreamed of my girl name since I
was 13 yeras old. I jsut want so badly
to know if I can talk to the baby and
call her that now |
|
19:45:17 |
ourwiefamily |
I can't believe how much I liked knowing
gender because I had talked myself into
liking not knowing. I was actually kind
of snobby about it |
|
19:45:21 |
talitha |
I found out with Selah (3) and not with
JAcob(1) |
|
19:45:26 |
KristaJoy |
Talitha, the decision is up to you, you
know that. :-) But you also know that
u/s have risks, so you just need to
figure out if the risks are worth the
benefits right? |
|
19:45:28 |
katherina75 |
talitha...you can |
|
19:45:54 |
KristaJoy |
I am pretty anti-u./s, I'll confess. But
I can imagine certain scenarios where I
would choose one, so it's not all or
nothing. |
|
19:45:59 |
katherina75 |
you can talk to your unborn child...I
know my husband and I always talked to
our unborn babies |
|
19:46:01 |
Irish_Mama |
Yeah, I kind of feel snobbish at times
too...like I have more patience to wait
in finding out, which is RIDICULOUS b/c
I am not a patient person in general. =) |
|
19:46:22 |
talitha |
I talked to both of mine. I jsut want
to use the name. I don't feel as bonded
this time, and it's upsetting |
|
19:46:25 |
ourwiefamily |
at least you have the option, talitha
... where I live, we don't have the
third party ultrasounds |
|
19:46:37 |
talitha |
That stinks. |
|
19:46:39 |
KristaJoy |
For me it's not patience. I am NOT
patient. :-) It's hard to explain, but
I really feel like.... I feel like there
is a reason why our wombs aren't
see-through, yk? |
|
19:46:44 |
tjamois |
are those the fetal fotos?"" |
|
19:46:45 |
ourwiefamily |
I have a history of not bonding easily
and for me knowing gender really helped
w/ that |
|
19:46:50 |
katherina75 |
aww....if you know its a girl...go for
it |
|
19:47:09 |
KristaJoy |
like, there might be a reason why we
discover the sex of our bqby at the same
time that we have that rush of hormones,
we're on that post-birth
WHHHHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! |
|
19:47:12 |
ourwiefamily |
I used to think that not knowing is what
gave me incentive to push. LOL |
|
19:47:18 |
KristaJoy |
lol Karla |
|
19:47:38 |
tjamois |
i'll admit i kinda liked knowing..... |
|
19:47:43 |
KristaJoy |
That's just my feeling on it tho |
|
19:47:46 |
ourwiefamily |
well ... my WORST PPD followed having my
dream homebirth and my longed for first
baby girl |
|
19:47:53 |
tjamois |
the first time around, i was the typical
sheeple OB patient not questioning a
thing |
|
19:47:54 |
downundermum |
mostly good |
|
19:48:07 |
tjamois |
had lots of US and didn't even question
it |
|
19:48:14 |
TurboClaudia |
krista, i agree with what you are
saying, and i can imagine certain
scenarios where u/s would be helpful.
i'm not fond of 3rd party u/s services,
though. |
|
19:48:20 |
tjamois |
second time around, we did want to know
about potential problems |
|
19:48:21 |
ourwiefamily |
I think the reason I got the bad ppd
though was that I was so wanting a baby
girl and had had 3 boys and didn't want
to get my h opes up so I convinced
myself that I wanted a boy ... I'd even
be happier w/ a boy and then I didn't
know how to deal w/ a girl |
|
19:48:23 |
bunnymom |
brb- babies calling me |
|
19:48:30 |
tjamois |
and found out it was a girl at the same
time |
|
19:48:41 |
tjamois |
so it was cool knowing my hbac was a
girl....it was such an awesome female
vibe |
|
19:48:42 |
KristaJoy |
don't they take waaaaay longer to do the
u/s? so the baby gets more u/s exposure
for a 3-D one? |
|
19:48:42 |
talitha |
It is the fetal photos. I know that
selah will love watching the video. ANd
we will ahv emy mom and MIL go with us.
IF it is a girl we will tell them that
we are naming her after them there! |
|
19:48:53 |
tjamois |
the mw, the apprentice, my mom, me and
my daughter |
|
19:48:56 |
ourwiefamily |
you have control over how long they take
at the fetal fotos |
|
19:49:07 |
tjamois |
DH was around, but not central...it was
very woman0ly |
|
19:49:10 |
ourwiefamily |
they offer specific packages but they
will certainly do less if that's what
the family wants |
|
19:49:25 |
KristaJoy |
T I like that female tribe birth vibe |
|
19:49:37 |
talitha |
I'm getting the short one. 10 minutes.
THey do it for up to an hour if people
want that. Not me!! |
|
19:49:40 |
KristaJoy |
someone on my street just had a UC tribe
birth.... all her female friends came
over |
|
19:49:47 |
KristaJoy |
OMG AN HOUR! |
|
19:49:49 |
KristaJoy |
<Faint> |
|
19:49:56 |
KristaJoy |
people do that???? |
|
19:50:00 |
ourwiefamily |
yep, 10 min would be less than the
hospital one we got. I know lots of
hospital ones that take up to an hour |
|
19:50:00 |
tjamois |
gosh...i think mine was close to that
the second time around |
|
19:50:12 |
Rosa |
Hi! just popping in for a dose of sane
ppl conversation ;) |
|
19:50:12 |
talitha |
I guess. It's like $400, so I hope not
many! |
|
19:50:13 |
KristaJoy |
it takes an HOUR!!!! |
|
19:50:19 |
KristaJoy |
I'm totally blown away, I had no idea |
|
19:50:22 |
talitha |
Right |
|
19:50:26 |
KristaJoy |
was it because of looking for the cleft
palate T? |
|
19:50:27 |
ourwiefamily |
it only takes an hour if you want that
package |
|
19:50:28 |
tjamois |
:shh: |
|
19:50:30 |
KristaJoy |
is that why it took so long> |
|
19:50:41 |
tjamois |
Yeah, that and the basic measurements
and stuff...... |
|
19:50:42 |
ourwiefamily |
but in hospital, it can take an hour
depending on what they are looking for |
|
19:50:53 |
KristaJoy |
really? wow I'm out of touch |
|
19:51:01 |
KristaJoy |
I had no idea that even standard ones
were an hour |
|
19:51:05 |
ourwiefamily |
they were doing all the measurements on
Maria who was 36 weeks and it just took
a loooong time |
|
19:51:06 |
KristaJoy |
or rather, could be an hour |
|
19:51:08 |
talitha |
This is where we are going
http://www.babysfirstimages.com/ |
|
19:51:15 |
tjamois |
i don't remember....it was a long time
ago, lol.... |
|
19:51:26 |
tjamois |
it was the only one we did and in the
end, im glad we did |
|
19:51:33 |
KristaJoy |
I was always thinking they were 15 min
or less, just kinda swish swish swish"
and then done" |
|
19:51:40 |
tjamois |
thats how the OB ones were |
|
19:51:44 |
talitha |
My OB already told me that he does NOT
want any info from the sono |
|
19:51:45 |
KristaJoy |
yeah I can see why you would want that
u/s T |
|
19:51:47 |
tjamois |
but this one was done by someone who
knew what she was doing |
|
19:51:52 |
ourwiefamily |
lol kristajoy I don't think ANY of my
hospital ultrasounds were that short! |
|
19:51:58 |
marcia |
hey krista- do you happen to have any
info on 'chorio'? |
|
19:52:04 |
KristaJoy |
brb baby sad |
|
19:52:04 |
tjamois |
the OB just wanted to play with their in
office toy...and bill for it |
|
19:52:27 |
tjamois |
Marcia, I don't....are you on the ICAN
list? (Not sure if you're the same
Marcia I know there) |
|
19:52:32 |
tjamois |
But maybe Gretchen or Kmom would |
|
19:52:42 |
katherina75 |
okay everyone....I need to get
going....got to get to church tonight |
|
19:53:00 |
talitha |
Bye :) |
|
19:53:09 |
Irish_Mama |
I have to go...crying toddler and need
to pack for weekend trip :crying Was
hoping to stay longer and enjoy a chat.
Maybe next time! |
|
19:53:18 |
marcia |
yes tonya it's me- just grasping for
straws before my appt tmrw |
|
19:53:28 |
katherina75 |
nite everyone |
|
19:53:34 |
talitha |
What is Chorio? |
|
19:53:52 |
marcia |
ok so i should post to the group?? |
|
19:54:25 |
tjamois |
I would |
|
19:54:29 |
ourwiefamily |
always post to ican ... lol that is
where teh answers are! |
|
19:54:41 |
tjamois |
with that m any women on there, you're
bound to get some answers and probably
firsthand experience |
|
19:54:44 |
ourwiefamily |
I put out a desperate plea for GD info
before my Monday appt! |
|
19:54:54 |
marcia |
it's an infection in the womb Talitha |
|
19:55:07 |
talitha |
Oh wow. |
|
19:55:15 |
marcia |
oh yes i saw that karla lol |
|
19:55:50 |
marcia |
lemme go do that real fast then |
|
19:55:56 |
tjamois |
:) |
|
19:56:09 |
ourwiefamily |
silly computer booted me |
|
19:56:24 |
ourwiefamily |
so I'm sure I missed all the fun stuff
in that 30 seconds lol |
|
19:56:28 |
talitha |
tjamois Do I need to jsut sign up for
the online newsletter? |
|
19:56:36 |
tjamois |
you mean the eNews? |
|
19:56:55 |
tjamois |
The Clarion is a benefit of being a
member of ICAN, which is $30/year in the
US..... |
|
19:57:02 |
tjamois |
The eNews is FREE to anyone who wants it |
|
19:57:29 |
tjamois |
ICAN ins a nonprofit organization in the
USA.....all memberships and donations
are tax deductible |
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19:57:30 |
talitha |
GOtcha. I didn't see where to do that.
I'll look later |
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19:57:46 |
talitha |
Tax deductible or not, I want to be
involved ;) |
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19:57:51 |
ourwiefamily |
I hate to admit it but I'm not a member
of ican ... part of it is
procrastination |
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19:57:51 |
talitha |
V+But that is good toknow |
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19:57:57 |
ourwiefamily |
part of it never having money |
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19:57:59 |
ourwiefamily |
argh |
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19:58:04 |
tjamois |
http://www.ican-online.org/support/subscribe.php |
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19:58:10 |
tjamois |
I like Krista's advice..... |
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19:58:14 |
tjamois |
drink water for a month |
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19:58:31 |
tjamois |
and use the money that you would have
spent on pop, soda, beer, wine,
etc.....to join |
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19:58:33 |
ourwiefamily |
lol ...all I drink is water and free WIC
milk and juice |
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19:58:50 |
tjamois |
We really have some big exciting plans
for 2006 and beyond |
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19:58:53 |
ourwiefamily |
what I need to do is start selling
articles again and raise the money that
way |
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19:58:59 |
talitha |
