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20:05:20 |
WeeHands |
HI THERE WELCOME TO THE SIGNING WITH BABY CHAT! I'M YOUR
HOST SARA FROM WEEHANDS! |
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20:05:26 |
WeeHands |
Hi Vonnie! |
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20:05:32 |
Vonnie |
hey sara! |
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20:05:44 |
Vonnie |
seems quiet tonight |
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20:05:51 |
onthebrink |
hi |
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20:06:07 |
WeeHands |
it does seem quiet. i'm going to email the yahoo! groups
i'm on |
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20:06:16 |
Vonnie |
np |
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20:06:22 |
Vonnie |
alexandleah that one? |
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20:09:14 |
WeeHands |
yes, that's one of them! |
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20:09:31 |
Vonnie |
lol |
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20:09:37 |
Vonnie |
i go there often and just got your email |
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20:09:42 |
Vonnie |
you go during wed chats? |
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20:09:43 |
WeeHands |
hee hee! |
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20:10:36 |
WeeHands |
sometimes if my kiddies let me. my dh has a guitar class wed
nites so i don't often have time to get to the computer then |
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20:10:42 |
WeeHands |
hi tricia! |
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20:10:49 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
Hi Vonnie & Sara, |
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20:10:58 |
WeeHands |
how are things in calgary tricia? |
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20:11:32 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
Weel, snow the last two days my ds's soccer game cancelled
tonight. A balmy +2 Celcius! |
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20:11:56 |
WeeHands |
oh man! |
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20:11:58 |
Vonnie |
sorry! |
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20:12:03 |
Vonnie |
im sooo tired to think |
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20:12:13 |
WeeHands |
why what's up vonnie? |
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20:12:15 |
Vonnie |
ah that explains weehands |
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20:12:24 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
what time is it in your time zone, vonnie? |
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20:12:29 |
Vonnie |
im just feeling so tired with no energy and my time
management is at it worse lol |
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20:13:03 |
Vonnie |
arizona so NOW it is pacific tho i have no ocean lol |
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20:13:17 |
Vonnie |
wintertime its mst and summertime pst |
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20:13:27 |
WeeHands |
what time is it there now? is arizona in the same time zone
as calgary |
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20:13:43 |
Vonnie |
6 13 |
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20:13:49 |
WeeHands |
i'd love to be in arizona now! |
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20:14:04 |
Vonnie |
c'mon over! |
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20:14:42 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
vonnie is one hour earlier than Calgary! |
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20:14:57 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
Okay, are you guys too tired to help me with some ASL signs? |
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20:15:16 |
WeeHands |
no not at all! |
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20:15:35 |
WeeHands |
what signs are you looking for? although I think vonnie will
be of more help! |
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20:16:12 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
HOw do you tell your students to sign truck" (I assume you
don't tell them to sign "car" for "truck") We have lots of
truck drivers in Cow Town!! :)" |
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20:17:39 |
Vonnie |
lol tricia |
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20:17:45 |
WeeHands |
i'm surprise the ASL browswer doesn't have it! |
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20:17:48 |
Vonnie |
i can help |
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20:17:51 |
WeeHands |
i just looked it doesn't |
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20:17:55 |
Vonnie |
lol weehands |
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20:18:00 |
WeeHands |
hi there yatah! |
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20:18:06 |
yatah |
hi |
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20:18:11 |
WeeHands |
how would you sign it vonnie? i have seen it two ways |
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20:18:36 |
Vonnie |
lol |
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20:18:42 |
Vonnie |
me too - |
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20:18:49 |
Vonnie |
truck as in T instead of car |
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20:18:52 |
Vonnie |
another one is |
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20:19:03 |
Vonnie |
spelling then signing a BIG" car" |
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20:19:46 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
go over this again |
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20:20:06 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
sign car sign but with both fists holding a t" letter?" |
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20:20:19 |
Vonnie |
that is one |
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20:20:48 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
Ok and second is fingerspelling T R U C K and sign car" sign
????" |
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20:20:53 |
WeeHands |
i've seen T" shapes both hands, at chest level, left hand in
front of right a bit, and right hand (little finger side)
hits left hand's thumb side" |
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20:21:22 |
WeeHands |
e.g., the tractor connecting to the trailer of a big rig (i
have a little boy so i know all the correct terminology!) |
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20:21:36 |
WeeHands |
hi there minasmom! |
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20:21:54 |
minasmom |
hello everyone! |
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20:22:18 |
minasmom |
I thought I'd drop in and introduce myself |
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20:22:21 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
yes, Sara that's how I've seen in truck" at Calgary School
for Deaf & HOH (over I was told that wasn't really an ASL
sign)" |
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20:22:36 |
minasmom |
I've JUST started signing with my dd [she's 12 months,
almost 13 months] |
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20:23:23 |
WeeHands |
i've also seen it like the sign for car but with hands in t"
shapes" |
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20:23:35 |
Vonnie |
well i learned that in my deaf school tho many younger ( i
beli9eve) are changing it so there are no letters but many
of us still do |
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20:23:45 |
WeeHands |
i should have my canadian ASL dictionary at my side on
thursday evenings! |
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20:24:31 |
WeeHands |
my son uses that way as part of the monster truck" sign! :D" |
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20:24:38 |
minasmom |
Oh! Is there an online resource to the Canadain ASL? I
never even thought about that! |
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20:24:38 |
WeeHands |
hi monica! |
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20:24:42 |
signingbaby |
Hey hey hey |
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20:25:00 |
WeeHands |
no there isn't an online resource for Canadian ASL - great
idea though! |
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20:25:10 |
WeeHands |
http://commtechlab.msu.edu/sites/aslweb/browser.htm |
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20:25:14 |
WeeHands |
is what I use alot |
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20:25:24 |
WeeHands |
where are you from minasmom? |
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20:25:32 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
so vonnie, you are saying truck used to be fingerspelled
and added a big car" sign, but the younger deaf are starting
to drop the fingerspelling part? am I understanding you
correctly??" |
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20:25:39 |
minasmom |
thanks, I'm in Toronto |
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20:25:48 |
Vonnie |
that first part is NOW |
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20:25:55 |
Vonnie |
the fists with T" is what i grew up with" |
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20:26:09 |
Vonnie |
other way around |
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20:26:31 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
Okay you are confusing me ( on purpose ?? ) :) |
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20:26:33 |
signingbaby |
Lauren just signs blue" then "car" ... her sign for Dad's
truck lol" |
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20:26:34 |
WeeHands |
the younger deaf are now fingerspelling it? |
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20:26:43 |
WeeHands |
too cute signingbaby ! |
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20:26:48 |
WeeHands |
how old is she? |
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20:26:52 |
signingbaby |
29 months |
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20:27:04 |
WeeHands |
my sabrina is 30 months! |
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20:27:20 |
signingbaby |
Since I taught her colors it's really made a huge
difference, if she doesn't know what something is she will
sign the color and then point |
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20:27:33 |
signingbaby |
She will often refer to someone by the color of their shirt
or outfit |
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20:27:43 |
WeeHands |
i only know that because the babycenter still has us on
their system and I get an email every month regarding her
age! |
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20:27:48 |
minasmom |
I have a question, i just started with dd and I'm currently
only signing 'eat'. How often should I introduce new
words? Should I wait until she signs 'eat' back to me or
just keep adding new ones? |
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20:28:04 |
WeeHands |
how old is dd? minasmom |
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20:28:14 |
minasmom |
almost 13 months |
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20:28:24 |
WeeHands |
also just curious are you in a WeeHands class in TO? |
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20:28:29 |
minasmom |
no i'm not |
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20:28:37 |
signingbaby |
I would introduce a few more signs to her minasmom |
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20:28:46 |
WeeHands |
minasmom what are her favourite things? e.g., top 6 things? |
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20:29:18 |
minasmom |
books, blocks, park, cats, dogs, nursing of course [she
calls it nana though] |
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20:29:20 |
WeeHands |
the number of signs you show her is really up to you and
what you're comfort level is? |
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20:29:21 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
I my opinion - the more signs you use in the correct context
- the faster she'll catch on! Think of how we speak to our
kids! |
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20:29:39 |
WeeHands |
we all talk very fast and use lots of words. |
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20:29:48 |
minasmom |
that makes sense. I was just afraid of overloading her with
too much |
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20:30:10 |
WeeHands |
right tricia - so sign whatever number of words you are
comfortable with. for parents that are new to this I
usually recommend about 15 signs |
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20:30:18 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
depends on how many signs you know minasmom? Are you
learning ASL signs from a book? |
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20:30:29 |
minasmom |
not a book, websites only |
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20:30:38 |
signingbaby |
I only used one sign with Corbin and didn't introduct any
new ones until he signed it back - but that was in 2000 and
I didn't know anyone else who signed so I wasn't sure it
would work. LOL. |
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20:30:53 |
minasmom |
i only know eat so far ... i'm so new at this! lol |
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20:30:56 |
WeeHands |
a combination of favourite things that you've listed and
other signs that happen frequently throughout the day, e.g.,
change, bath, up, no touch, etc. |
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20:31:36 |
WeeHands |
minasmom can you email me at info@weehands.com and I'll send
you a sheet of the signs for the favourite things you |
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20:31:40 |
WeeHands |
ve listed? |
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20:31:55 |
minasmom |
ok, i'll make a list and look them up. Right now she just
kind of stares at me ... does it take a long time for the
child to understand the connection between word and sign? |
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20:32:02 |
minasmom |
thank you ! I will email you |
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20:32:16 |
signingbaby |
It varies from child to child |
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20:32:48 |
signingbaby |
But with the two I've signed with, I have noticed that once
they realize that signing will allow them to communicate
with you, they tend to pick it up faster |
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20:33:13 |
WeeHands |
most babies sign back between 9 and 12 months. once they
get past using about 8-10 signs, they may start learning
VERY quickly! |
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20:33:15 |
minasmom |
i'm sure she will like that. it will make her life easier! |
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20:33:26 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
Well, at 13 months if a parent has a reportoire of 15-20
signs and uses them for 10-20 minutes a day - there is agood
chance she'll catch on pretty fast- maybe ina few weeks! |
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20:33:51 |
minasmom |
that's great! I really like signing with her |
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20:33:56 |
signingbaby |
I would agree with Tricia ... the older they are the more
likely they are to learn |
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20:33:59 |
signingbaby |
faster |
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20:34:03 |
Vonnie |
wait tho |
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20:34:14 |
Vonnie |
just because she might not sign back does not mean she does
not understand |
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20:34:33 |
Vonnie |
my boy was a quiet one then all of a sudden he played around
with signs then stopped and laughe3d at me when i ask him to
sign |
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20:34:50 |
minasmom |
i think she might understand Vonnie. I'll sign eat and say
eat at the same time and she'll crawl over to her chair or
point at it |
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20:34:52 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
exactly vonnie - they may the connection pretty quickly as
far as understanding the meaning of the sign! |
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20:35:26 |
signingbaby |
Yes, sign milk" to a nursing baby for long enough and they
wiill go nuts at the sight of it!!" |
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20:35:27 |
Vonnie |
right |
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20:35:40 |
minasmom |
lol |
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20:35:41 |
Vonnie |
some people just get worried if they dont hear or see their
kids talk |
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20:35:58 |
minasmom |
maybe she will stop yelling for her 'nana' then. lol, i
doubt that! |
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20:36:22 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
oh, yes, vonnie - it's a big myth we sign instructors are
trying to break! |
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20:36:32 |
signingbaby |
Well nana" is better than poking your boobs in publie!" |
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20:36:38 |
signingbaby |
public |
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20:36:47 |
minasmom |
lol |
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20:36:55 |
signingbaby |
Lauren can sign AND say milk and she still acts
inappropriate about nursing |
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20:37:10 |
minasmom |
oh no! oh well, i understand the excitement |
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20:37:24 |
signingbaby |
LOL |
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20:37:36 |
signingbaby |
That's weird, I typed L O L and it made LOL |
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20:37:40 |
minasmom |
me too |
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20:37:47 |
signingbaby |
Wasn't expecting that haha |
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20:38:38 |
signingbaby |
Ugh Lauren just peed on the floor |
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20:39:01 |
signingbaby |
While saying pee and signing potty |
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20:39:08 |
signingbaby |
We have a long way to go .. |
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20:39:11 |
minasmom |
lol |
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20:39:44 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
lol lol |
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20:40:19 |
Vonnie |
im not looking forward to potty training and been putting it
off |
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20:40:40 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
minasmom - there is great board book - has 12 pages called
Teaching Your Baby How to Sign" available at public libr.
Have you used that book with dd?" |
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20:41:24 |
WeeHands |
minasmom have a look at the brand new webpage
http://www.durhambabies.com/public/minasmom.jpg |
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20:41:52 |
WeeHands |
some of the text is fuzzy though |
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20:42:08 |
signingbaby |
Hey I have one that is kind of bunged up and I can't sell,
do you want it? |
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20:42:31 |
signingbaby |
Directed at minasmom |
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20:44:03 |
minasmom |
Tricia - no i haven't! I'll look it up and order that book. |
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20:44:29 |
signingbaby |
minasmom I have a copy that is kind of bunged up, I can send
it to you, it's basically brand new but the cover is a
little bent |
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20:44:33 |
minasmom |
WOW!!!! Thanks so much!!! I'm going to print this out |
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20:44:39 |
WeeHands |
ha, i laugh at this signingbaby - most of my family's
favourite sign board books are bunged" up with cereal and
who knows what! great memories!" |
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20:44:52 |
WeeHands |
i just emailed it to you as well |
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20:45:21 |
minasmom |
lol, most of mina's books are too! that would be really
nice of you signingbaby ... are you in canada? |
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20:45:29 |
signingbaby |
No, in the US |
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20:45:29 |
WeeHands |
we have a number of free presentations coming up at early
years centres in Toronto - what area of town are you in? |
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20:45:36 |
signingbaby |
It's brand new but the cover is just funky |
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20:45:37 |
minasmom |
thank you weehands .. i really appreciate all this help |
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20:45:51 |
minasmom |
i'm in etobicoke, south |
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20:46:16 |
Vonnie |
wish you were int he chat room weehands last night |
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20:46:16 |
signingbaby |
You can email me your mailing address at
monica@signingbaby.com |
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20:47:36 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
mimasmom - did you say you have an older ds that you tried
signing to? was that in 2000? or am I confusing you with
some one else here?? |
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20:47:45 |
WeeHands |
why Vonnie ? |
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20:48:06 |
signingbaby |
I signed with my older child starting in 2000 ... he
eventually caught on and signed over 100 by the time he was
done |
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20:48:16 |
minasmom |
no, I only have 1 dd |
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20:49:18 |
Vonnie |
because they were discussing BS and ST |
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20:49:35 |
Vonnie |
and rachel was involved - learned a bit about those things
happening and the contradiction |
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20:50:35 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
oh, sorry about confusion signingbaby. Glad to hear you were
successful. There weren't many parents signing to their
babies in 2000! |
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20:51:14 |
signingbaby |
I know, that's why I got involved in the whole baby signing
movement |
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20:51:35 |
WeeHands |
monica our kids are the exact same age - way too weird! |
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20:51:51 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
my story about signing with my babies started in 1992 when
my first-born, dd was 8 months old & then dd signed to her
younger baby brother when he was born in 1994 |
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20:52:02 |
minasmom |
wow! signingbaby i was just looking at your site and I
realized that Mina has been doing some VERY similar to the
sign for milk. She uses it when she wants to sleep. wow,
that's amazing. |
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20:52:03 |
signingbaby |
That is biezrre |
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20:52:09 |
signingbaby |
Jeez BIZARRE |
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20:52:37 |
minasmom |
seriously, i was wondering what she was doing. |
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20:52:41 |
minasmom |
amazing |
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20:52:47 |
signingbaby |
That's awesome |
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20:53:10 |
minasmom |
well, i'm more inspired then i was before to take on signing
with her. |
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20:53:25 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
see, mimasmom - you have to watch your dd for her attempts
at sign! They are there. Parents tend to doubt themselves
that their babies are trying to communicate with signs. |
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20:53:45 |
WeeHands |
too great sites are http://www.signingbaby.com/ and
http://www.signingstore.ca |
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20:53:56 |
WeeHands |
just wanted to get those in the transcripts! :) |
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20:54:30 |
signingbaby |
Thanks Sara for that |
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20:54:36 |
WeeHands |
that's true Tricia. our babies are incredibly smart
creatures with so much personality! |
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20:54:46 |
WeeHands |
di nada monica! |
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20:54:46 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
thanks Sara. Mimasmom, if you are not able to take a sign
class, Signing Time videos are fantastic for teaching
toddlers basic sign language. |
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20:54:52 |
signingbaby |
I think the best part of my site is the baby pictures ...
it's so motivating to see real babies signing |
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20:55:18 |
signingbaby |
It took me about a week to realize that Corbin was signing
milk" to me ... I thought he was just waving ... oops!" |
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20:55:25 |
WeeHands |
part of the reason my company name is WeeHands (cuz I'm 5
foot 10 and my hands are not wee!) |
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20:55:52 |
Vonnie |
lol |
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20:55:53 |
minasmom |
I've ordered baby signs from the library to see if we like
it before i buy it. |
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20:55:56 |
WeeHands |
most babies will make the correct movement regarding a sign,
use the correct body space but the handshape will be off |
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20:56:00 |
Vonnie |
wait! |
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20:56:06 |
Vonnie |
Baby Signs is the title? |
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20:56:14 |
minasmom |
um, i think so |
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20:56:22 |
WeeHands |
really good books are Sign with your Baby" by Joseph Garcia" |
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20:56:25 |
minasmom |
i can check, its on the waiting list |
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20:56:29 |
Vonnie |
personally I wouldn't recommend that |
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20:56:35 |
signingbaby |
That's what I used, Sign with your Baby by JG |
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20:56:38 |
WeeHands |
and Baby Sign Language Basics" by Monta Briant" |
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20:56:46 |
minasmom |
no? why not? |
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20:56:47 |
Vonnie |
Sign with Your Baby - i haven't seenbut was told its good |
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20:56:53 |
Vonnie |
second one i dont know? |
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20:56:53 |
WeeHands |
did I get that title right Monica for Monta's book |
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20:57:07 |
signingbaby |
Yes you did, it's a small book but very good for its size |
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20:57:12 |
Vonnie |
well you know BABY" signs" |
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20:57:16 |
WeeHands |
The two books I suggested use American Sign Language as do
the Signing Time videos |
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20:57:23 |
Vonnie |
they are based on babies and their comfort" not the actual
ASL" |
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20:57:45 |
signingbaby |
I recommend ASL too |
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20:57:50 |
Vonnie |
now they are saying it's BASED on not actually ASL -
admitting a little then putting in 80% (but who would know
which is true) |
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20:57:58 |
signingbaby |
Although not officially" but as a parent" |
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20:58:07 |
WeeHands |
they do not use made up signs - there is no need to simplify
ASL signs for babies. |
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20:58:16 |
minasmom |
oh, so it wouldn't be 100% compatable everywhere then |
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20:58:20 |
signingbaby |
Right! Exactly |
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20:58:22 |
Vonnie |
like you know Spanish Signs" would be Spanish signs ok now
"Baby Signs"????? its the little people's language" |
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20:58:31 |
Vonnie |
no it wouldn't and I know! |
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20:58:43 |
minasmom |
i see! ok so i'lll look up signing time then |
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20:58:44 |
Vonnie |
Discovery Toys where I used to be a consultant with tried to
lie to me about that |
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20:58:45 |
WeeHands |
When you look at signs broken down into 1) body space 2)
movement and 3) handshape you can learn to recognize the
approximations babies may make |
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20:58:58 |
Vonnie |
then told the other person (hearing) the truth and i got
that letter but - point is that |
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20:59:00 |
signingbaby |
Although ASL does vary from region to region but overall
it's way more consistent |
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20:59:07 |
Vonnie |
it's a sticky situation going on but I wouldn't recommend it |
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20:59:14 |
Vonnie |
no ASL is the same linguistically! |
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20:59:31 |
signingbaby |
But the signs do vary, I'm not talking about syntax |
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20:59:32 |
Vonnie |
but the signs itse'f does vary tho if created" by the deaf
community, we are more than happy to flexible - usually" |
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20:59:35 |
WeeHands |
i prefer ASL because 1) it's a beautiful language and I want
my family to learn more of it, past babyhood |
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20:59:39 |
Vonnie |
ok |
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20:59:54 |
signingbaby |
I should have clarified that |
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20:59:58 |
signingbaby |
I have a deaf cousin |
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21:00:14 |
WeeHands |
2) it uses the hands, not the mouth for some signs (using
the mouth for made up signs is counter productive to speech) |
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21:00:26 |
Vonnie |
plus Baby SIgns is for hearing people they said nothing to
do with the deaf people |
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21:00:26 |
signingbaby |
Now that Lauren has been diagnosed with a severe speech
delay, I'm very happy she's learning ASL |
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21:00:46 |
Vonnie |
that's good |
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21:00:52 |
Vonnie |
where are you signing baby? |
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21:00:57 |
signingbaby |
NW Missouri |
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21:01:10 |
signingbaby |
She's about 18 months behind on speech |
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21:01:12 |
WeeHands |
3) if we, the hearing, are going to borrow from the language
of the Deaf we have to use it respectfully and now mess with
it |
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21:01:35 |
WeeHands |
e.g., the BS sign for apple" is actually the ASL sign for,
pardon me, "menstruate"" |
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21:02:01 |
WeeHands |
I think we have a huge part of the continent covered
tonight! |
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21:02:10 |
Vonnie |
ah |
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21:02:46 |
Vonnie |
yea and i was told cereal" looks similar to a@#hole" |
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21:02:48 |
Vonnie |
lol |
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21:02:48 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
so minismom, are you overwhelmed with all our advice?? |
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21:02:54 |
Vonnie |
no we dont want our kids signing like that |
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21:02:56 |
WeeHands |
oh no! |
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21:02:56 |
signingbaby |
And she's really amazing and taking on aspects of ASL that I
have not taught her, for example she's using a lot of facial
expressions to get her point across |
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21:02:58 |
minasmom |
lol, nope |
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21:03:04 |
Vonnie |
and more but i forgot what |
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21:03:09 |
tricia_sign_instrr |
lol vonnie - good one! |
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21:03:12 |
signingbaby |
What is the Baby Sign for apple??? |
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21:03:38 |
signingbaby |
Can you describe it so I never accidentally do it |
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21:03:42 |
WeeHands |
tapping the A" fist at the cheek" |
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21:04:09 |
WeeHands |
you can use it in about 12-13 years! |
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21:04:09 |
signingbaby |
Ahhh, thanks |
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21:04:20 |
signingbaby |
No kidding, I don't even want to think about that |
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21:04:24 |
signingbaby |
lol |
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21:06:32 |
WeeHands |
THANKS FOR JOINING THE SIGNING BABIES CHAT! SEE YOU ALL
NEXT WEEK! SARA BINGHAM FROM WEEHANDS |
