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21:06:31 |
host_littleants |
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21:06:47 |
ourwiefamily |
LOL ... I like the blanks ;) |
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21:06:55 |
host_littleants |
oh I missed the fill ins. Babywearing chat and I am Katie |
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21:07:11 |
host_littleants |
sorry about that. |
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21:07:26 |
host_littleants |
So how has your babywearing been going? |
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21:07:42 |
host_littleants |
I am getting weak and thinking I need a new carrier for the
summer to walk to the farmer's market. |
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21:08:18 |
ourwiefamily |
babywearing is going okay ... just very different now w/ my
6th than it once was w/ my younger kids |
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21:08:34 |
ourwiefamily |
Not in a bad way, though ... just different. |
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21:09:21 |
ourwiefamily |
I find that my body is getting old and that I have to be
more careful how I carry or I end up w/ a lot of back pain. |
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21:09:37 |
host_littleants |
my mother in law was saying how few options there were when
my dh was a baby. She wished she could have had a sling. |
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21:09:40 |
ourwiefamily |
Of course, that was always true ... so maybe it's just that
now I care more! |
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21:10:12 |
host_littleants |
it could definitely be getting worse. you also are watching
other kids too so that is more strain on your body |
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21:10:13 |
ourwiefamily |
Now there are so many options, it's hard to know where to
start!!! |
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21:10:54 |
ourwiefamily |
yeah ... but I think it's a lot more that when I was
younger, I just figured I would tough it through the pain
and now I have options that are loving (like big siblings to
help w/ the carrying) |
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21:10:57 |
host_littleants |
what did you use to use again? you would think I could
remember this from week to week. |
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21:11:00 |
host_littleants |
hi pynki |
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21:11:04 |
Pynki |
Hiya.. |
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21:11:17 |
ourwiefamily |
hi pynki |
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21:11:58 |
Pynki |
I used a wrap tonight.. And.. It works well when I get it
one just right.. It does take a bit of practise though
doesn't it. |
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21:12:00 |
host_littleants |
i do that to my elbow all the time. i figure it is only a
few minutes i will jsut carry him. and then by the end of
the day i have tennis elbow and don't even own a racket :) |
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21:12:04 |
ourwiefamily |
I used an OTSBH for years, then a rebozo. I have tried the
Maya Wrap but not liked it yet, so back to the rebozo.
Thinking about making a couple though or buying a few
different ones. |
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21:12:34 |
host_littleants |
i really recommend either ABC or wraps. they are SO much
nicer on your back. |
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21:12:50 |
ourwiefamily |
I like the look of a Mai Tei (sp?) with the wider straps (to
spread teh weight) |
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21:12:53 |
Pynki |
I like the unpadded slings.. |
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21:13:15 |
Pynki |
But I like the idea of the russet sack carry too.. |
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21:13:17 |
ourwiefamily |
I mainly need to spread the fabric over my shoulder for
weight distribution but I'm at a point where I really really
need it to be over both shoulders. |
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21:13:26 |
host_littleants |
MT are ABC's (Asian Baby Carrier. |
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21:13:46 |
ourwiefamily |
Otherwise, I carry on my right shoulder and it hurts like
MAD after a while ... I can't carry on my left side for some
reason?! |
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21:13:47 |
host_littleants |
I hit that point a while ago when my second was a chub. |
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21:14:05 |
host_littleants |
i can only carry kids on my left hip. |
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21:14:23 |
ourwiefamily |
Hmmm ... that's good to know. I'm really desperate. |
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21:14:34 |
host_littleants |
MT aren't that expensive if you are interested otherwise if
you sew.... |
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21:14:55 |
Pynki |
I only carry the boys over my right shoulder.. On my left
hip.. I can still do that with my unpadded sling with the 6
and 5 yr old if need be.. |
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21:15:29 |
ourwiefamily |
Yeah ... it's on my right sholder w/ the left hip in use (or
in front w/ kangaroo carry etc) |
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21:15:49 |
Pynki |
I have a question about the wraps.. |
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21:16:00 |
host_littleants |
okay. |
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21:16:01 |
ourwiefamily |
And I've carried my kids up to 5 or 6 years old w/ a sling,
but like I said, I'm getting worn out from using just one
shoulder. |
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21:16:05 |
Pynki |
How do you keep the fabric from twisting up on you when you
are trying to put it on |
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21:16:22 |
Pynki |
It keeps getting very twisty.. Like thick and ropey.. |
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21:16:24 |
ourwiefamily |
What type of carrier do you use again? W/ rings? |
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21:16:32 |
Pynki |
Which.. Doesn't make it comfy.. |
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21:16:45 |
Pynki |
No.. just 5 yrds of 20 inches of fabric. |
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21:16:51 |
Pynki |
gauze weight almost.. |
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21:17:14 |
ourwiefamily |
So ... do you tie everytime or keep the same knot? |
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21:17:16 |
Pynki |
I GENERALLY use unpadded ring slings.. But.. I'm branching
out into raps.. |
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21:17:19 |
host_littleants |
practice is a big part. you have to focus on where you
start. |
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21:17:24 |
Pynki |
Tie everytime.. |
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21:17:30 |
host_littleants |
what kind of carry/position are you trying first? |
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21:17:34 |
Pynki |
Liam is 22 months and over 30lbs.. |
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21:17:39 |
ourwiefamily |
When I tie everytime I have no problem w/ twistin when I put
it on. |
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21:17:45 |
Pynki |
I HAVE to tie and untie to get him in and out. |
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21:18:00 |
Pynki |
Any of the cross carries.. |
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21:18:15 |
Pynki |
I FINALLY got it after fiddlign around for about an hour.. |
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21:18:19 |
host_littleants |
actually didymos has a cross carry that you don't untie. |
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21:18:35 |
Pynki |
I can GENERALLY get the russetsack with no problem.. |
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21:18:36 |
host_littleants |
i have a brochure for it, but i am not sure if it is on the
internet anywhere. |
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21:18:41 |
ourwiefamily |
I just fold it in half the long way, then pinch it at the
open" side, then swing it around my shoulders like a
matador, then hold the pinch, pulling one tighter if needed
for that carry, then tie." |
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21:18:49 |
Pynki |
BUT.. I have to be on a step or couch to get him into it.. |
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21:19:20 |
ourwiefamily |
So ... does yours get twisted as you swing it around you? |
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21:19:54 |
Pynki |
I put it on cumberbun style.. I think it twists while I'm
pulling and tightening.. |
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21:20:14 |
Pynki |
And admittedly.. I'm real new to using it.. I just CAN'T
seem to get it to not be twisty.. |
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21:20:28 |
Pynki |
I don't know how to keep ALL that material untwisted.. KWIM |
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21:20:33 |
ourwiefamily |
Ahhh ... when I do that style, I find I have to be conscious
of the process as though I am folding" it rather than just
winding it ... that seems to help me a lot." |
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21:21:05 |
host_littleants |
i always pull the fabric out straight and stand infront of a
mirror (although sometimes that makes me more confussed. |
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21:21:19 |
ourwiefamily |
I am very conscious of where my fingers are ... what part of
the fabric I pinch between them. If I move my fingers up or
down, I think about it and picture as I move the pinch to
the proper spot. |
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21:22:32 |
ourwiefamily |
I also have like a spot I know will hit about on my shoulder
... so that is the part I pinch and hold as I swing it up
that way. Then I drop it off" there and go down, sliding
my fingers along to the next "pinch point", then snug it
between the legs" |
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21:22:39 |
host_littleants |
is this what you do to get babe on back?
http://www.mamatoto.org/Default.aspx?tabid=189 |
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21:23:28 |
ourwiefamily |
And there is something in the way you swing it ... I find I
need to get a certain swing" to bring it to the right place
w/o a twist. There are a couple ways to do it, so not just
one. But I like where the fabric has some swing to it and
it has a" |
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21:23:36 |
ourwiefamily |
flourish" as I swish it out around me." |
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21:24:04 |
Pynki |
I do the russet sack a bit different.. |
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21:24:17 |
ourwiefamily |
I think it's very pretty to watch, though that is not why I
do it that way. |
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21:24:39 |
Pynki |
I put the fabric around him. .Then I PULL Him onto my back..
Then I cross it infront of me.. THen I swing it around and
cross it in back.. |
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21:26:02 |
host_littleants |
i think it might be the pull that gets you twisted. |
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21:26:31 |
Pynki |
I don't generally have twists with that one!! LOL |
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21:26:34 |
host_littleants |
i used to try to do that (if i am understanding you right)
and i could never get it tight enough and i would get
tangled. |
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21:26:51 |
host_littleants |
which do you get twisted with? |
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21:27:19 |
Pynki |
Any of the cross carries I get twists.. It's all the
fabric.. I have to hold it in clumps.. and they twist when
crossing. |
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21:27:53 |
host_littleants |
okay, i have to find a site that has te didy variation 1
cross carry. it is so simple |
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21:29:24 |
ourwiefamily |
I don't like to carry on my back so I'm not as much help
with that part ... but I can tell you that I learned how to
tie on my babies basically on my own because there weren't
great pictures online when I learned and no one locallly. |
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21:29:28 |
Pynki |
Sorry to be a pain in the bottom.. |
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21:29:42 |
Pynki |
Part of my issue is that Liam is soo old now.. |
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21:29:49 |
ourwiefamily |
Practice will help. If you just keep trying ... you will
find your way and your method. Then you will wonder how you
didn't know before. ;) |
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21:29:53 |
Pynki |
I think this would be much easier if we has started as a
newborn. |
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21:30:05 |
ourwiefamily |
Maybe ... but not necessarily. |
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21:30:39 |
host_littleants |
i think it is easiest to start at about 5 mths b/c they feel
more sturdy. |
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21:30:53 |
Pynki |
Ok.. Liam is 22 months.. |
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21:30:57 |
Pynki |
And BIG |
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21:31:01 |
ourwiefamily |
When did you start trying? |
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21:31:23 |
Pynki |
THis last month. |
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21:31:24 |
Pynki |
LOL |
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21:31:49 |
ourwiefamily |
I started trying to carry when my oldest was about 2yo ...
in fact, he would have been at least 2y4m because I didn't
get a sling until I had my second baby. So I was learning
on both a newborn and a toddler at the same time! |
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21:32:03 |
ourwiefamily |
I found it easier to carry my toddler because he could
cooperate. |
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21:32:45 |
ourwiefamily |
I actually found that I was not comfortable carrying a baby
on my back, but yes to a toddler!! But I still find the
weight is too much if I wear a child on my back via a
carrier that goes over my shoulders. I do better w/
ahmacking (not sure sp) |
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21:33:03 |
ourwiefamily |
Have you ever heard of ahmacking? |
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21:33:11 |
Pynki |
I haven't. |
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21:33:24 |
host_littleants |
yeah. when my baby was a baby, i would have my toddler do
the back carriers with me first b/c i wasn't afraid to drop
him. |
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21:34:01 |
ourwiefamily |
You need a sturdy coat or shirt that has strong fasteners
down the front (so not something that will pop open ... like
no snaps but a strong zipper or strong buttons are good). |
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21:34:13 |
Pynki |
I finished making a wrap one of my friends ordered.. I put
my 5 year old in the back to test strenght.. |
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21:34:20 |
Pynki |
I figuire if it holds him it will hold a new born. |
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21:34:42 |
ourwiefamily |
Have the child stand on the couch, then stand in front of
him. Put the coat/shirt on over both of you so his head is
peeking up out the neck hole like yours is. |
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21:35:12 |
ourwiefamily |
Then you fasten the shirt/coat up as high as you want to.
Then take a nice long piece of rope or tie or a belt or
soemthing and you tie it around your tummy under his bum. |
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21:35:25 |
ourwiefamily |
I like ahmacking even if I can't spell it. ;) |
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21:35:34 |
host_littleants |
interesting. |
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21:36:12 |
ourwiefamily |
I learned it from a friend who learned it from an Innuit ...
it is supposedly a traditional way of carrying their
children (though I am taking their word on this). |
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21:37:15 |
ourwiefamily |
I love it because it works in a pinch too ... I've done this
when we are out on a trail walk and I forgot to bring a
sling but a child is getting too tired. Usually we have a
piece of rope or fabric around somewhere w/ all the kiddos.
;) |
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21:38:11 |
ourwiefamily |
host_littleants yeah I was always afraid I'd drop my babies
too ... those back carries just don't feel as secure to me
and my dh was never home when I needed to try them! |
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21:41:00 |
host_littleants |
i had a friend teach me how to do it using her didymos and
it felt super comfortable and secure. |
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21:41:15 |
host_littleants |
i only have a stretch wrap so i haven't been able to
practice. |
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21:41:21 |
ourwiefamily |
that's what I always felt I was missing ... someone local to
teach me. |
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21:41:30 |
host_littleants |
where are you? |
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21:41:38 |
ourwiefamily |
welll, and I now think I'd do well with more carriers :) |
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21:43:59 |
Pynki |
I'm one of those bossy people.. When I see someone wearing a
sling(rings) incorrectly I go over and fix it for them.. |
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21:44:08 |
Pynki |
I can't help it.. They don't feel good that way. |
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21:44:15 |
ourwiefamily |
And from what I can see around here, most people if they
have a carrier, they only have the padded ring slings,
usually the Nojo (ouch) |
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21:44:35 |
Pynki |
That's cause they sell those at Target now.. |
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21:44:40 |
ourwiefamily |
oops part of what I wrote got erased |
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21:44:46 |
Pynki |
It's really easy to get a padded ring sling.. |
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21:44:57 |
ourwiefamily |
or maybe I'm froze up again??? Well, if you can see this, I
will brb! |
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21:44:59 |
Pynki |
The problem is that they aren't given instructions on how to
use them.. |
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21:45:08 |
host_littleants |
the other day i saw a woman carrying her baby in a fake
bjorn style thing with the baby hanging really low. it was
so hard not to say something. it looked so uncomfortable for
both of them. |
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21:45:23 |
Pynki |
I would have gone over and said something.. |
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21:45:42 |
Pynki |
Like.. WOW.. That's soo great to wear your baby.. I had one
of those they're kinda tricky.. |
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21:45:54 |
Pynki |
Can I show you something that might make it a bit more
comfortable.. |
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21:46:01 |
host_littleants |
i probably should have but i was in a parking lot with two
kids small kids and no carrier b/c i was running in for 30
seconds. |
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21:46:05 |
Pynki |
LOL |
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21:46:07 |
Pynki |
OK.. |
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21:46:29 |
host_littleants |
i am not sure i could ahve fixed it b/c it may have just
been to big on her. |
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21:46:41 |
host_littleants |
that is why i love wraps. they fit EVERYONE! |
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21:47:03 |
Pynki |
That's true.. |
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21:51:29 |
ourwiefamily |
phew I'm back! That was a lot of work! Did you see any of
my last sentences??? |
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21:51:57 |
Pynki |
Yes. |
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21:52:14 |
ourwiefamily |
did you see me saying I was having problems and would try
leaving and come back? |
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21:52:22 |
host_littleants |
no |
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21:52:38 |
ourwiefamily |
okay ... then did I also look like I was leaving a sentence
half way through? |
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21:52:49 |
Pynki |
Yes. |
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21:52:54 |
Pynki |
No.. |
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21:53:07 |
Pynki |
I saw the whole sentence saying you were having issues and
you were logging out. |
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21:53:27 |
ourwiefamily |
interesting ... I don't know what happened. Well, sorry to
be a pain trying to figure it out here. ;) |
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21:54:21 |
ourwiefamily |
To go back to my thought (which you may or may not have
seen). When I see people using baby carriers around here
(rare), they are usually the baby bjorn or snuggli ... if
it's a sling it is usually a nojo (which I think are
painful). |
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21:55:06 |
Pynki |
I had a snuggli with my 1st it SUCKED.. |
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21:55:21 |
Pynki |
My friend has a snuggli from back in the day.. It was her
MIL's when her dh was a child.. |
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21:55:23 |
ourwiefamily |
(btw ... dh is happy w/ me. I get to chat and he got to go
to bed early. We all win!!) |
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21:55:30 |
Pynki |
THey were SOOO different then they are now.. |
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21:55:39 |
Pynki |
I could wear on of those NO problem. |
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21:55:45 |
ourwiefamily |
What makes the difference do you think? |
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21:56:06 |
Pynki |
Better materials.. |
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21:56:13 |
Pynki |
And.. It was a completely different design.. |
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21:56:49 |
host_littleants |
snuggli has a couple different designs even today. |
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21:57:02 |
host_littleants |
it still doesn't hold the baby in the best position for
their spines. |
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21:57:04 |
Pynki |
I had one 6 years ago and it sucked.. |
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21:57:15 |
ourwiefamily |
W/ my first, I had a Snuggli that was very painful (it was
new 13y ago). W/ my fifth, we got a new snuggli and it was
a different design. I actually found it to be quite
comfortable w/ him. But I tried using it w/ my 6th and it
is painful again. |
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21:57:44 |
host_littleants |
hmm.. that is odd. |
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21:57:50 |
ourwiefamily |
So I think it was just a grace from God that the Snuggli
worked w/ my fifth becasue he refused the sling and yet
needed to be carried, so maybe it was just a grace for that
time. |
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21:58:03 |
host_littleants |
maybe it just depends on what your shape is like. |
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21:58:06 |
ourwiefamily |
He liked to dangle a la parachute |
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21:58:30 |
ourwiefamily |
my shape, meaning what? (no offense taken ... just not sure
what you mean, grin) |
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21:59:16 |
host_littleants |
i am sure you have noticed how much us childbearing mama's
shape change throughout the cycle of a child. |
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22:00:03 |
host_littleants |
carriers that are okay with me post partum don't tend to
work with a 6 mo b/c i have lost so much weight from bf. |
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22:00:10 |
ourwiefamily |
so you think maybe where I am carrying my weight currently
or something? Or the skeletal aspect (becasue that changes
too) |
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22:00:16 |
ourwiefamily |
Hmmm |
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22:00:26 |
host_littleants |
just complete speculation |
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22:00:43 |
ourwiefamily |
I started using teh Snuggli when my 5th was 6mo ... I tried
it w/ Maria (my 6th) when she was a bout oh 5mo maybe. |
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22:01:31 |
ourwiefamily |
I think part of it was that w/ my fifth, I was recovering
from a painful c-section and my baby was just not
cooperating w/ the sling but was very INTENSELY high need
from his birth complications. He was very stiff, very
tense, very twisty ... |
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22:01:32 |
host_littleants |
don't know then. |
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22:01:59 |
ourwiefamily |
so maybe it's also that the Snuggli was a relief in
comparison to trying to hold the human corkscrew. :) |
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22:02:02 |
host_littleants |
that could do it to. c-sections definitely altar where you
want to put pressure for several months. |
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22:02:30 |
Pynki |
Yeah.. |
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22:02:36 |
Pynki |
I know that one.. |
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22:02:44 |
Pynki |
Sometimes my incision still hurts 6yrs later. |
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22:02:45 |
ourwiefamily |
Did you ahve a c-section Pynki? |
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22:02:51 |
ourwiefamily |
:( |
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22:02:57 |
Pynki |
my1st was a c/s. the last 2 were vbac. |
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22:03:18 |
ourwiefamily |
My 1st was a c/s, then three vbacs at home, then a crash
c-section then another vbac at home. |
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22:03:49 |
ourwiefamily |
The c-sections really impacted my ability to parent in so
many ways ... like changing the way I could carry my babies
as one example and so so much more. |
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22:03:54 |
Pynki |
DH is NOT going for a HB until I've had a hospital birth
were the dr's aren't doing anything to get the boys out. |
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22:04:55 |
Pynki |
our 1st was a c/s.. or 2nd had shoulder dystocia and was a
high forcepts delivery.. and ds3 had heart decleleratiosn
that didn't come back up between contractions.. |
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22:04:58 |
ourwiefamily |
My dh won't go for a hospital birth unless ... I don't know
what it would take! An emergency, I guess. But he won't
let me plan a hospital birth w/o some seriously good reason
and not much is good enough for him! |
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22:05:34 |
Pynki |
Some of my friends have had HB's and they don't think their
midwives would take me as a client.. |
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22:05:41 |
Pynki |
My uterus has issues.. |
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22:05:43 |
Pynki |
lol |
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22:05:46 |
ourwiefamily |
My 6th had sticky shoulders and if I'd not had my midwife
who knew what she was doing, it would likely have been a
much worse outcome ... my midwife is more skilled w/ sticky
shoulders than most doctors |
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22:06:13 |
Pynki |
Xavier was really broad shouldered.. He looked like a line
backer when he came out.. |
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22:06:28 |
Pynki |
I'd already been pushing with him for 4 hrs.. |
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22:06:34 |
ourwiefamily |
So ... should we call the baby carrying chat done? LOL I
love talking about birth but don't want to railroad the chat
.. but we are past an hour now. |
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22:06:43 |
host_littleants |
well ladies, feel free to continue chatting, but I am going
to give you the prewritten end of chat spiel. |
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22:06:56 |
Pynki |
OK.. |
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22:06:58 |
Pynki |
Thanks.. |
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22:07:04 |
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host_littleants |
have a good night ladies. i still need to find a new day,
but I haven't gotten any responses. |
