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Babywearing Chat #19, with Katie of Little Ants
10/6/05

4 mamas in attendance

20:26:11 mod_littleants WELCOME to babywearing!!!
20:28:07 Nancy hello
20:29:53 mod_littleants Hi Nancy welcome.
20:30:13 Nancy thanks...it's my first time here so not really sure how this works
20:30:20 mod_littleants Do you have any specific questions, or just come to chat?
20:30:43 mod_littleants well, how it works depends on how many people come.  We just moved the day so the attendance has still been a little slow.
20:31:11 Nancy ok...I came to check out if there would be new ideas for babywearing :)
20:31:44 mod_littleants what do you currently use? and how old are your kids?
20:32:45 Nancy I only carry my youngest, she's 8.5 months old...I use a frontal carrier (snuggly), I have a solarveil ring sling and a denim ring sling...the solarveil slips so I don't use it much...only when it's really hot
20:33:44 mod_littleants Have you tried wraps or any asian baby carriers such as a podaegi or mei tai
20:34:30 Nancy no...I was actually wondering if I should use a tube but I'm afraid it would be hard to nurse in
20:35:39 mod_littleants Have you tried tying knots in the solar veil?
20:35:59 Nancy oohhh...didn't think of that...good idea!
20:36:35 Nancy I was using the snuggly most of the time for walks but it's getting uncomfortable as she's growing bigger...I would rather hip carry than front...:)
20:37:04 mod_littleants I have always made my own slings and they start slipping at about 18 lbs. I hear people with maya not complain of that, but I am not sure.
20:37:40 Nancy what about nursing in a maya?
20:37:45 mod_littleants I usually use a didymos (wrap) on either my back or my front for our walks and can go about 3 hours comfortably with my 25 lbs son.
20:38:00 mod_littleants a maya would nurse easily you just drop the rings and nurse.
20:38:38 mod_littleants I don't think it is as comfortable for long walks though b/c it gets tiring on your shoulder.  For long walks, i think you want both shoulders and your waist all involved.
20:39:23 Nancy ok...like my snuggly
20:39:53 mod_littleants Well not exactly.
20:40:02 mod_littleants Do you have the snuggli with the shoulders and waist?
20:40:07 Nancy yes
20:40:29 mod_littleants i have the same one and I don't use it b/c i don't find it distributes the weight well.
20:41:03 mod_littleants Since it is something you are putting your baby in and then putting on your body, it tends to pull on certain areas instead of distributing the weight all over.
20:41:30 Nancy that's why I'm looking for something else...up to now it wasn't a problem as my dd is small but she's getting heavier now I get back pains
20:41:59 mod_littleants if you put the baby directly up to you, your body takes the weight in a more ergonomically correct way.
20:42:11 mod_littleants A simple carrier is the Ergo.
20:42:29 mod_littleants I find that all the snaps and buckles aren't really necessary and don't give me the versitality that I want.
20:42:40 mod_littleants so i like mei tai and wraps a lot more.
20:43:02 mod_littleants a wrap is simple (once you learn it) and you can do front, back, hip carries with it.
20:43:28 Nancy that's what I did with my ring sling
20:44:52 mod_littleants the back and front too?
20:45:10 Nancy front and hip...but as I said it kept slipping :)
20:45:17 mod_littleants depending on the length of the ring sling, you could probably do some back carries with it.
20:45:31 mod_littleants Did you do one shoulder or two on the front?
20:45:48 Nancy my denim was good and didn't slip but it's padded and small I'll have to change it...
20:45:51 Nancy I did one shoulder
20:47:25 mod_littleants you might also want to check out www.mamatoto.org or www.littleants.com to look at some other carry options.
20:47:49 mod_littleants I find that one of the things that helps the most is to change how you wear the baby. this way the same body parts aren't always being over taxed.
20:50:10 Nancy usually I'll use the snuggli while my toddler is playing outside so I can watch her and will pace in the street while she rides her bike but as I said earlier...I'm starting to get back pains because I tend to lean backwards to re-distribute the weight
20:50:16 Nancy so I don't fall face first...LOL
20:51:34 mod_littleants I think the wrap helps elevate that b/c the baby is being strapped directly to you and doesn't pull away from the your body (until they get older and try to squirm out of it :) )
20:52:43 Nancy I also use a carrier for shopping so I'll have to look at a new thing and soon... :) I will check out your websites...do you sell on those?
20:52:49 Nancy online I mean?
20:54:15 mod_littleants I sell at Little Ants.  The mamatoto site is a nonprofit babywearing site that is a wealth of information on the hows and whys of babywearing.
20:54:39 Nancy and do you ship to Canada?
20:55:12 mod_littleants yes i do.
20:55:22 mod_littleants i ship anywhere but nigeria :)
20:55:27 Nancy great... LOL
20:55:51 Nancy I'll have a look at both sites then and try to find a better type of carrier
20:55:52 mod_littleants btw how did you hear about the chat?
20:56:36 Nancy oh...I'm on a forum for breastfeeding and someone mentioned a chat with Dr. Newman tomorrow so I came to check out the sites and signed up for the newsletter
20:57:04 Nancy I got a message saying there was a chat about babywearing this evening
20:58:04 mod_littleants cool. i am so excited about tomorrows Jack Newman chat. I  am hearing him later this month at a conference.
20:59:04 Nancy he did one in Ottawa in may but I missed it...can't wait to read his chat tomorrow...he's a great doctor and helped me alot when my baby was born
20:59:58 mod_littleants i am glad to hear that breastfeeding is going well now thanks to him.  Now you just need great ways to carry your baby and you will be all set :)
21:00:46 Nancy yes...I love babywearing...I'm just sorry it never worked with my first...I guess I was not as informed as I am and was using the wrong tools
21:01:48 mod_littleants I did they same with my first. I wore him in our snuggli, but I did it more for him then for my ease or comfort. he was even a skinny little guy.
21:02:59 Nancy my first never cared for the snuggli...I had another one, a snuggli ring sling type of thing and she would scream her head off every time I tried to put her in either...my second was carried from the day she was born... LOL
21:04:35 mod_littleants i don't think the snuggle ring sling looks comfy b/c they can't see anything.  maybe my kids are just nosey.
21:06:05 Nancy that's what I think too...I discovered the ring sling at a BF support group and that's when I got the denim one it was great when she was smaller but it's a small sling and I don't think she'll fit in anymore now that she's grown
21:07:16 mod_littleants she might fit for a hip carry since that uses about the same amount of fabric as her whole body used to.
21:08:10 Nancy I'll have to try it...didn't use it all summer cause it was soooo hot :)
21:09:18 mod_littleants yeah i hear you on that. I told my husband we should have the next baby in the winter so it is easier to babywear. even with the indio didymos (which is extremely breathable) you get hot at 90 degrees.
21:11:04 Nancy both my girls were born in the winter...I love it...we'll plan the next one for winter too
21:11:51 mod_littleants i have done feb and may and both were great.
21:12:40 Nancy I liked establishing a good BF relationship in the winter when it's not too hot
21:13:28 mod_littleants that is true that is nice. it gets really cold here though so i am always a little concerned.
21:14:27 Nancy here too but still we cover them well and don't go out when it's too cold unless we drive somewhere then we heat the car before we leave
21:16:01 mod_littleants my house is old and it is just cold all the time.
21:16:13 Nancy aaahh I get it
21:16:53 Nancy I was hot all the time when nursing my babies... so much so my nipples would invert... LOL
21:17:06 Nancy that's why I prefer winter babies
21:17:36 mod_littleants wow you must really get hot esp being so far north. we are thinking of moving to WI, and I get cold just thinking about it.
21:18:02 Nancy LOL
21:18:15 Nancy yeah...I'm a hot blooded woman...LOL
21:21:02 COZyMOM hello
21:21:17 mod_littleants hi
21:21:29 Nancy hello
21:21:49 mod_littleants sorry i was nursing and changing a wet diaper
21:21:53 COZyMOM finally a chat where there's people!
21:22:38 Nancy it's ok...would a mei tai be good for long walks? I was checking your website just now
21:22:45 mod_littleants I am glad to know my chat isn't the only small one. I don't really do web boards so advertising is a problem.
21:23:49 mod_littleants i think it is more comfortable then a snuggli is.  they are really easy to use and quite comfy. they are great at home b/c they go on and off so easily.
21:24:30 Nancy it looks comfy
21:24:39 Nancy doesn't slip? like the ring sling?
21:25:15 walkerclan5 Hello.
21:25:35 walkerclan5 I jsut went to the littleants website!  *smiles*..very cool
21:26:53 mod_littleants it doesn't slip b/c you are knotting it.  actually the people that the ring sling was modeled after also just knot the fabric.
21:26:58 mod_littleants thanks walkerclan5
21:27:50 walkerclan5 You have some really awesome stuff there. I really like all the different kinds of wraps. I have only every used the sling type wrap...but am thinking of going for the back carrier type fabric one  with this baby.
21:28:46 mod_littleants i just learned back carries with this my second and i have to say that life has been nice. like you can cook without risking burning anyone. still not sure what cooking is, but that is what I hear. :)
21:29:12 Nancy I find the snuggli leaves deep red marks on dd's legs...would the mei tai do something similar?
21:29:16 Nancy LOL
21:30:49 mod_littleants no. it holds them frog legged and on their bottoms instead of daggling by their crotch. you can go to didymos.de for more info on why babies should be frog legged.
21:31:07 walkerclan5 awesome
21:31:27 Nancy and if wearing in front can they be placed face forward of do they have to face you?
21:32:11 walkerclan5 can a back carrier be used for a newborn? I tink I might feel nervous about that a little bit . and how easy is it to get it on and off by yourself?
21:32:23 mod_littleants you can cross their legs over and face out. the wraps are easier to do outward facing then the mei tai, but it works with either.
21:32:46 walkerclan5 love the look of the mei tai..hmm
21:33:09 mod_littleants i would say if you plan to back carry with a newborn and haven't before, practice without baby first with a doll. it can be done and is done in many cultures throughout the world.
21:33:38 mod_littleants you can also do a mei tai on the back with a newborn. you just tie the straps higher to provide head support.
21:33:49 walkerclan5 but I suppose I could always wear in the front like you said above....they just look so dran comfy  *smiles*
21:34:48 mod_littleants it  is important to be comfy or you aren't going to want to wear as much as your baby wants/needs
21:34:50 walkerclan5 awesome! I think I need to be getting one of those. my 3 yo still goes in the sling jsut about everyday for sling time. now that bean inside is getting rounder *smiles* that sling time is getting a wee bit harder.
21:35:08 walkerclan5