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Breastfeeding Is Normal presents: A Breastfeeding Advocacy Chat #4
6/15/05

29 mamas in attendance

11:00:50 Host_Housepoet OFFICIAL START OF THE BREASTFEEDINGISNORMAL.ORG CHAT! WELCOME! MY NAME HOUSEPOET AND I AM YOUR HOSTESS TODAY! THIS CHAT IS TRANSCRIPTED AND POSTED ON THE SUNDAY FOLLOWING THIS CHAT...PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN POSTING TO THIS CHAT. THANK YOU! :)
11:00:54 eyezwideopen and a little Grapefruit Seed Extract as a cleanser
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11:01:00 rainingkisses and avoiding sugar and white flour
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11:01:32 Host_Housepoet as my friend Jen said it best
11:01:33 Host_Housepoet habi: we're ridiculously unruly...
11:01:36 serendipitylove Hiya ladies
11:01:37 Host_Housepoet shoosh you
11:01:39 Host_Housepoet hehe
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11:02:08 talula_fairie hi hi
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11:02:26 habibek1ndheart talula_fairie shhhhhhhhh hihi
11:02:40 jucifer ?
11:02:40 Host_Housepoet hahaha
11:02:50 Host_Housepoet Hello and welcome to another exciting edition of the Breastfeedingisnormal.org chat on advocacy. I’m your hostess with the mostess, Noel Pickett, infamously known as the evil housepoet on livejournal. My co host today is the lovlely Arianamama, who is sweet and charming. If you have any questions, please double click on her name and that will open a small private window for you to chat with her in.
11:03:15 Host_Housepoet Pardon my craziness today, I’ve gotten now sleep as I’m sure a lot of haven’t.
11:03:54 Host_Housepoet first up
11:04:04 Host_Housepoet just do you all know the transcipts from the last chat are up
11:04:18 Host_Housepoet LAST FORMAL CHAT http://www.mommychats.com/transcripts/bfactivism03.htm
11:04:32 Host_Housepoet feel free to check them out
11:04:53 Host_Housepoet Tina from mommychats let me know that our two informal chats are also archived and will be up for our viewing pleasure as well
11:05:01 Host_Housepoet our last two informal chats were AWESOME
11:05:06 Host_Housepoet and we thank everyone who came
11:05:22 Host_Housepoet on of the best quotes from our last chat was:
11:05:23 Host_Housepoet Quote of the chat:  11:19:16 charis it's not enough to just knock down the marketing of formula, it has to be replaced
11:05:37 Host_Housepoet and that is of course what we aim do to with the site
11:06:05 Host_Housepoet Looks like the the Juice made a good suggestion
11:06:16 Host_Housepoet I'm going to post the adgenda for today's chat
11:06:26 Host_Housepoet while ariana gives us an update on Adopt a Mom
11:06:44 MOD_ariana Adopt a Mom is going along well
11:06:49 MOD_ariana We need more mentors
11:07:01 MOD_ariana Honestly my focus has been divided with the site getting up
11:07:13 MOD_ariana but once I can focus on Adopt A Mom
11:07:22 MOD_ariana I'm going to be looking for help spreading the word about it
11:07:24 MOD_ariana around LJ
11:07:35 meldess ?
11:07:42 MOD_ariana So if you know a mom who would make a great mentor please please
11:07:42 serendipitylove ?
11:07:57 MOD_ariana send her to this http://www.livejournal.com/community/adopt_a_mom/712.html thread
11:08:12 MOD_ariana Right now we're mostly focusing on mentors who have at least 6 months of nursing experience
11:08:17 MOD_ariana or a particular area of expertise
11:08:30 MOD_ariana like we have concispa with her BFAR skills ;)
11:08:37 meldess Nevermind my ?, thanks
11:08:37 Host_Housepoet she rocks
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11:08:55 Host_Housepoet thank you ariana
11:09:03 Host_Housepoet ok, if you have questions, please direct them to ariana
11:09:42 Host_Housepoet alright
11:09:44 Host_Housepoet nemxt up
11:09:47 Host_Housepoet pardon me
11:09:48 Host_Housepoet next.
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11:10:02 Host_Housepoet Ideas on how to reach pregnant women with BF info just like formula manufacturers do
11:10:26 Host_Housepoet some ideas that we came up with in the last chat were
11:10:44 Host_Housepoet #NAME?
11:10:58 Host_Housepoet #NAME?
11:11:17 acidflowers ?
11:11:26 Host_Housepoet Recap of last chat     Discuss the Mission Statement     We need help!!     POLITICS     Quotes about breastfeeding     Breastfeeding Friendly Hospitals and bassinet cards     Copyright issues     Night time chat
11:11:39 Host_Housepoet sorry ayll
11:11:44 Host_Housepoet Im just beat down tired today"
11:11:47 Host_Housepoet bad night with my son
11:11:50 Host_Housepoet I will continue
11:11:53 rainingkisses i have to go tandem nurse, kinda hard at the computer. bye everyone :)
11:11:59 Host_Housepoet Ideas on how to reach pregnant women with BF info just like formula manufacturers do
11:12:02 Host_Housepoet #NAME?
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11:12:14 Host_Housepoet #NAME?
11:12:22 Host_Housepoet *****Teen Pregnancy Crisis Centers
11:12:23 Host_Housepoet *****High School Health Classes
11:12:27 Host_Housepoet *****OB Offices
11:12:31 Host_Housepoet *****WIC Offices
11:12:35 Host_Housepoet *****Mom's Groups
11:12:40 Host_Housepoet #NAME?
11:12:52 Host_Housepoet does anyone else have ideas on how to reach new and pregnant mothers?
11:12:56 habibek1ndheart I do
11:13:07 Host_Housepoet what sort of tactics do you see the formula companies using and can we use them as well
11:13:10 Host_Housepoet THE FLOOR IS OPEN
11:13:13 acidflowers i just have a question about the health insurance idea, what exactly is the idea?
11:13:20 habibek1ndheart State Farm gives out a free book on pregnancy and delivery, etc. from the Mayo Clinic
11:13:26 sugarcoated_poison_apple me neither
11:13:27 xxveigaxx Hi everyone
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11:13:30 sugarcoated_poison_apple ack
11:13:35 habibek1ndheart Women flock to it because it's free information on their pregnant bodies
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11:13:53 Host_Housepoet good point
11:14:02 Host_Housepoet I got one and I wasn't even pregant! ;)
11:14:09 habibek1ndheart If WE found a low cost or free publisher....for a free book
11:14:24 habibek1ndheart know who else does it? The church of jesus christ of latter day saints. People LOVE 'free'
11:14:25 drgnfly7691 what about approaching other free pregnancy/baby magazines, such as BabyTalk?
11:14:26 Host_Housepoet or even booklet?
11:14:35 habibek1ndheart yep
11:14:40 Host_Housepoet that is a good thought as well
11:14:44 givinguponyou the insurance thing- gettiing insurance companies to mail out imfo to their pregnant policy holders
11:14:45 eyezwideopen maybe we could get some of the breastfeeding compnaies to help us puyt together a free pack to give to PG mothers
11:14:46 Host_Housepoet but do they have formula ads in that mag?
11:14:50 eyezwideopen just like they do for formula
11:14:58 serendipitylove ?
11:14:58 jucifer yes.
11:15:01 eyezwideopen instead it would have breastpads
11:15:05 eyezwideopen lanolin
11:15:12 eyezwideopen coupons for nursing bras
11:15:12 aessedai ...sorry, guys, I can't sit up any more, I have to go lay back down.
11:15:18 drgnfly7691 yes... I write them a letter about every-other month on a crappy formula-promo article.
11:15:27 serendipitylove wouldn't it be better to be in a mag that does have formula ads...so mothers would see both?
11:15:33 drgnfly7691 I'd like to see us get enough info to them that we could REPLACE those articles and ads.
11:15:34 jucifer TRUE
11:15:40 Host_Housepoet I would as well
11:15:41 sugarcoated_poison_apple when i had my first daughter, the bag i got from similac had some actually useful stuff ... 4 4-oz milk storage bottles, and a cooler bag thing that had 2 little freezer pack things that fit into pockets on the sides.
11:15:42 habibek1ndheart UGH or their ADS, like the RSV prevention ad that doesn't mention breastfeeding
11:15:44 eyezwideopen trust me they see formula ads plenty
11:16:09 Host_Housepoet good point eyezwideopen
11:16:23 serendipitylove I mean so mothers that only read a certain mag (like I did) don't only see formula ads
11:16:24 eyezwideopen every hospital in CA hands out free formula and free formula info, somehow we need to change that
11:16:25 habibek1ndheart when I had my son
11:16:26 Host_Housepoet and not to discount what serindipity said but back the the quote of the last chat
11:16:27 Host_Housepoet 11:19:16 charis it's not enough to just knock down the marketing of formula, it has to be replaced ""
11:16:32 sugarcoated_poison_apple we should do something like that, maybe get a company like medela or avent to sponsor it? they might get more business if women get a sample of good products for breastmilk storage
11:16:32 eyezwideopen petition the medical board of CA
11:16:34 Host_Housepoet what we want to work on
11:16:35 eyezwideopen and the country
11:16:40 Host_Housepoet is replacing formula marketing
11:16:44 eyezwideopen YES
11:16:51 habibek1ndheart my midwife put together a birth bag using an enfamil bag with samples of lansinoh, breastpads, breastfeeding information, etc
11:16:59 eyezwideopen YES!
11:17:01 eyezwideopen exactly
11:17:14 eyezwideopen they need to give that kind of thing out in hospitals
11:17:17 Host_Housepoet ok, all great ideas ladies, lets move on
11:17:30 Host_Housepoet any questions about this last segment?
11:17:40 eyezwideopen do we know how we would go about pursuing this
11:17:45 eyezwideopen who we would talk to ect
11:17:51 Host_Housepoet that is later in the chat
11:17:52 Host_Housepoet :)
11:17:54 eyezwideopen cool
11:18:03 chris_rezade ?
11:18:17 Host_Housepoet ok
11:18:23 Host_Housepoet so that was the recap of the last chat
11:18:30 Host_Housepoet on to something important
11:18:42 Host_Housepoet MISSION STATEMENT
11:18:50 Host_Housepoet Our goal is to make breastfeeding the norm through education and support.""
11:19:02 Host_Housepoet *Formula Marketing Practices
11:19:06 Host_Housepoet *The difference between Formula and Breast Milk
11:19:10 Host_Housepoet *Milk Banks as a formula alternative
11:19:14 Host_Housepoet *Realize the negativity that some moms face when they nurse in public
11:19:18 Host_Housepoet *Our governments lack of action toward it's stated bf goals
11:19:34 Host_Housepoet that is what Ariana and I have come up with
11:19:43 Host_Housepoet long nights of talking on the phone and AIM and emails
11:20:03 Host_Housepoet what each statement represents, are tasks that we must accomplish
11:20:09 Host_Housepoet we also have
11:20:10 Host_Housepoet Political Goals:
11:20:17 Host_Housepoet *NIP laws for every state
11:20:18 Host_Housepoet *Pumping at work laws for every state
11:20:21 Host_Housepoet *Enforcement/Compliance with WHO Code
11:20:32 acidflowers ?
11:20:33 Host_Housepoet We found out that the WHO code has no merit here in the US
11:20:36 Host_Housepoet at all
11:20:52 Host_Housepoet until we get someone appointed to our govt. to create laws and enforce the code
11:21:12 Host_Housepoet that is where educating moms and voters about formula and formula marketing practices comes in
11:21:26 Host_Housepoet once the general public knows that a bf baby is a healthy baby
11:21:33 eyezwideopen CDC has merit
11:21:39 Host_Housepoet health care costs go down
11:21:54 Host_Housepoet sorry guys have to tend to my DS realy quick
11:22:03 Host_Housepoet Ariana will take the floor
11:22:13 Host_Housepoet sorry...you all know, though this is hard, when you're a mama!
11:22:14 Host_Housepoet ;)
11:22:26 anngwish42 Better late then never, but I'm here...
11:22:31 MOD_ariana This is a good time to bring up the next topic
11:22:35 MOD_ariana Breastfeeding Advocacy
11:22:47 jucifer Just like we have blood banks (American Red Cross) - Milk Banks with milk drives.  That might take 20 years before that happened, but how can we start with the idea"?"
11:22:52 MOD_ariana It's difficult to really get things off the ground because it's done primarily by mothers
11:22:56 Host_Housepoet JUICE
11:22:58 Host_Housepoet THAT IS A GREAT IDEA
11:23:04 tahoebean yay I made it!!
11:23:07 Host_Housepoet (btw yall a little boobie and my baby is hapy again)
11:23:19 MOD_ariana as mothers
11:23:21 MOD_ariana who are busy all the time with their babies. We don’t get paid 6 figures a year to come up with snappy ad campaigns.
11:23:34 eyezwideopen no but we have strength in numbers
11:23:41 xxveigaxx when it comes to the milk banks, im wondering if there were more milk (through drives whatever) if the price would go down..so it would be more available as an option.
11:23:47 jucifer I gave been thinking about that for a while.  My husband donates his blood at least once a month.  Why can't we donate our milk once a month?
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11:24:07 MOD_ariana We are working overtime!
11:24:14 MOD_ariana This is why we need more volunteers
11:24:18 acidflowers i want to donate milk but there are only 6 milk banks in the entire US
11:24:25 Host_Housepoet tht is not true
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11:24:29 MOD_ariana If each one of us does a little bit then it's do-able
11:24:45 MOD_ariana What we lack in time we make up for in numbers.  Please if you haven’t volunteered yet send an email to
11:24:55 MOD_ariana info@breastfeedingisnormal.org
11:25:05 MOD_ariana We need help with:
11:25:17 Host_Housepoet there are 12 milk banks in north america
11:25:19 MOD_ariana Legal:  If you have legal knowledge we can use you.
11:25:22 tahoebean nope, can't see shit here either... I guess I'll try again another day. :(
11:25:25 Host_Housepoet http://www.hmbana.org/locations.htm
11:25:29 MOD_ariana Politics
11:25:42 tahoebean *sighs* and wanders off...
11:25:44 MOD_ariana We need someone to spearhead the political activism
11:25:55 MOD_ariana previous political activism experience is a plus
11:26:05 MOD_ariana but just a ready to learn as you go attitude is great
11:26:17 MOD_ariana Letter Writing
11:26:18 acidflowers ?
11:26:22 MOD_ariana Editors for content
11:26:31 eyezwideopen ?
11:26:31 MOD_ariana Media relations
11:26:47 MOD_ariana We need people who can network with reporters and newspeople
11:27:03 anngwish42 ?
11:27:06 MOD_ariana keep a rolodex as it were of newspapers and stations that will broadcast our press releases
11:27:31 MOD_ariana NIP Tutorial – need volunteers who can take pics of themselves in very certain positions.  You’ll need to work closely with us.  We also want a person with a fairly young baby since most moms who have issues with NIP are newer moms.
11:27:47 talula_fairie I'm going to do the NIP thing
11:28:04 MOD_ariana Debunk Breastfeeding Myths – it’s still good to have more links coming in and more myths.
11:28:06 drgnfly7691 ?
11:28:17 MOD_ariana We debunked a lot of myths but we know there are more out there
11:28:26 MOD_ariana THE FLOOR IS OPEN
11:28:39 talula_fairie I'm going to take pics on how to NIP shortly
11:28:43 eyezwideopen I would be grreat at the politcal activism
11:28:45 MOD_ariana cool
11:28:50 talula_fairie my memory card is full atm and I need to get to Walgreens, lol
11:28:51 Host_Housepoet that's for suire
11:28:51 acidflowers 12 milk banks is still not enough, there isn't one close enough to me
11:28:54 jucifer we need more milk banks
11:29:00 Host_Housepoet that is very very true
11:29:00 eyezwideopen writing letter, research
11:29:02 MOD_ariana great  eyezwideopen  please email info@breastfeedingisnormal.org
11:29:10 xxveigaxx I'm willing to do whatever I can, just let me know
11:29:26 jucifer donate blood!!!  if you're lactating, donate milk!  (slogan!)  haha
11:29:32 Host_Housepoet anngwish just had a great thought
11:29:38 Host_Housepoet taking out an ad in mothering mag
11:29:40 habibek1ndheart eh, I'm the unconventional type helper. I'm a published writer...anything you need help with in that arena, I can help with. I'm not currently nursing enough to be of any NIP help or help at rallys, etc
11:29:41 jucifer she always does!
11:29:43 givinguponyou my baby is 2 months - so i could do that
11:29:43 Host_Housepoet one of the very small ones in the back
11:29:45 Host_Housepoet I know she's great
11:29:52 Host_Housepoet yes, the NIP images
11:29:55 habibek1ndheart that's a fantastic idea
11:29:58 Host_Housepoet I am going to take images of me and my son
11:29:59 acidflowers an ad for what?
11:30:03 habibek1ndheart you guys are going to need fundraising, right?
11:30:05 Host_Housepoet and then we'll have people copy them
11:30:13 Host_Housepoet with different sized babies
11:30:25 Host_Housepoet an ad for the website
11:30:31 acidflowers ooh
11:30:44 Host_Housepoet yes
11:30:47 Host_Housepoet but that costs money
11:30:54 Host_Housepoet so that brings us to the next topic
11:30:55 Host_Housepoet no,
11:30:56 acidflowers do any of you mothers live in CT?
11:30:59 Host_Housepoet we are not asking for donations
11:31:01 Host_Housepoet :)
11:31:04 jucifer t_f is a hawt momma who nurses.  who wouldn't want to see that? ;)
11:31:10 Host_Housepoet ;)
11:31:14 Host_Housepoet ok ok guys
11:31:36 xxveigaxx i live on the border of CT an NY some of the time
11:31:41 Host_Housepoet has anyone in here every made a non profit org before?
11:31:48 jucifer no
11:31:48 eyezwideopen yup
11:31:50 Host_Housepoet or worked on one
11:31:51 kittn *waves hi all
11:31:52 Host_Housepoet there we go
11:31:57 Host_Housepoet then you have to get at me Katie
11:32:00 jucifer research
11:32:01 Host_Housepoet we'll chit chat about that
11:32:03 eyezwideopen sure thing
11:32:05 habibek1ndheart I didn't finish the non profit status, but yes...I ran an org that was to become non profit
11:32:06 Host_Housepoet Our goal is to become a non profit
11:32:11 jucifer I can research that
11:32:17 Host_Housepoet and givinguponyou has given me a lot of info
11:32:17 jucifer linkage 'n stuff
11:32:22 Host_Housepoet please DO juice
11:32:24 jucifer k
11:32:29 Host_Housepoet the more info the better
11:32:30 habibek1ndheart I never filed the 501c
11:32:32 givinguponyou i have
11:32:36 eyezwideopen me too
11:32:41 Host_Housepoet great
11:32:43 givinguponyou oh you lready said mr
11:32:45 givinguponyou me
11:32:46 Host_Housepoet so we have some people to volenter
11:32:46 givinguponyou oops
11:32:50 Host_Housepoet I have an accountant
11:32:56 Host_Housepoet my best friend
11:33:06 Host_Housepoet so she can do the tex stuff for us
11:33:19 Host_Housepoet tax even
11:33:22 Host_Housepoet OK NEXT
11:33:28 eyezwideopen I have a good lawyer friend
11:33:35 Host_Housepoet get in contact with him as well
11:33:42 jucifer or her
11:33:42 Host_Housepoet great chat guys thanks!
11:33:49 Host_Housepoet end mush
11:33:54 Host_Housepoet ok nex tup
11:33:58 Host_Housepoet political change
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11:34:12 Host_Housepoet what we've found is that our govt isn’t taking care of us, so we have to
11:34:18 Host_Housepoet http://www.house.gov/maloney/issues/breastfeeding/
11:34:20 Host_Housepoet that is a great link
11:34:42 Host_Housepoet to BF legislation she wants to pass
11:34:48 Host_Housepoet 'she' the congress woman
11:35:00 Host_Housepoet so check that out. People like her are the kinds of people we want in congress
11:35:10 Host_Housepoet also political donations and voting records a matter of public record
11:35:18 Host_Housepoet so here are some sites for you to check out as well
11:35:25 Host_Housepoet http://www.politicalmoneyline.com/
11:35:30 Host_Housepoet http://www.opensecrets.org/
11:35:34 Host_Housepoet http://thomas.loc.gov/home/legbranch/otherleg.html
11:35:38 Host_Housepoet http://www.vote-smart.org/official_congress.php
11:35:53 Host_Housepoet these sites are records of pol donations and voting records
11:36:24 Host_Housepoet the floor is open
11:36:37 MOD_ariana Does anyone have anything to say about the political side of things?
11:36:41 xxveigaxx yeah
11:36:46 Host_Housepoet what do you all think about formula padding the wallets of our senators and congress people
11:37:04 MOD_ariana xxveigaxx go ahead
11:37:08 xxveigaxx just a thought - Maybe when ti come,sto the polital part, since it varies state by state tehre shoulkd be someone in charge of that state so to speak
11:37:13 habibek1ndheart I'd suggest not getting me started on politicians being in bed with the pharmaceutical/formula companies ;)
11:37:24 sugarcoated_poison_apple *lol*
11:37:27 eyezwideopen great idea xxv
11:37:34 MOD_ariana I agree xxveigaxx
11:37:37 xxveigaxx that would kind of round up what was going on in terms of stuff specific to their state and be the spokesperson
11:37:37 jucifer we love it???  ha. no, seriously.  BIG companies have big $$$$.  Breastfeeding is FREE.
11:37:45 MOD_ariana we'd also need people in canada, UK, Australia, etc.
11:37:49 xxveigaxx yeah
11:37:55 habibek1ndheart I also think it's ridiculous that we should 'have' to have laws in place to protect our right to do something as natural as breastfeed
11:38:04 MOD_ariana habibek1ndheart I agree
11:38:05 acidflowers i agree
11:38:07 eyezwideopen or growing plants
11:38:07 jucifer I agree.  But, we have to.
11:38:08 chris_rezade UKI here
11:38:13 eyezwideopen that's the gov for you
11:38:14 chris_rezade *waves*
11:38:14 MOD_ariana but until public sentiment changes I think they're good ideas
11:38:17 Host_Housepoet I agree habi
11:38:19 habibek1ndheart I know it, but I think it reflects the state of society
11:38:23 eyezwideopen if they can make money on it they will regulate it
11:38:32 Host_Housepoet regulate our boobs?
11:38:36 Host_Housepoet can you imagine?
11:38:37 eyezwideopen it totally reflects society
11:38:38 habibek1ndheart put a sin tax on breastpads!
11:38:39 MOD_ariana Which is what we'd like to change through EDUCATION & INFORMATION
11:38:41 jucifer Honestly, it sucks that we have to have to protect our civil rights, but there are laws to protect them
11:38:47 jucifer Breastfeeding is a CIVIL RIGHT
11:38:58 habibek1ndheart I completely agree, Jucifer
11:39:17 jucifer LMAO @ habibe - sin tax
11:39:49 habibek1ndheart hey, we see how well the govt has stopped smoking what with the sin taxes and all...the states have had to step in and say KNOCK IT OFF!
11:40:03 acidflowers i don't even know where to begin when it comes to the politics, it's so overwhelming and daunting
11:40:08 habibek1ndheart it truly is
11:40:11 eyezwideopen unfortunately under this admin a sin tax is reality
11:40:22 acidflowers what is a sin tax?
11:40:39 habibek1ndheart every time I start contemplating how to understand politics more, I feel like I need a shower. It's so underhanded and twisted
11:40:49 eyezwideopen ways they make us pay for doing things they feel is wrong
11:40:50 acidflowers ditto
11:40:51 jucifer true.  but - second hand smoke affects other people directly.  OMG.  HEY!  so does formula - it makes our premiums higher!
11:40:55 habibek1ndheart a sin tax is an extra tax for you doing something they deem 'wrong', that supposedly goes to you
11:41:10 jucifer it's like the vice" squad"
11:41:10 habibek1ndheart like, I pay a fortune for a pack of cigarettes
11:41:17 jucifer no you don't.
11:41:20 habibek1ndheart and part of that money goes to the roads and schools I think
11:41:22 jucifer come to massachusetts
11:41:22 habibek1ndheart supposedly
11:41:24 acidflowers i've seen studies that say second hand smoke isn't as bad as they've made it out to be
11:41:31 acidflowers but that's another topic
11:41:40 habibek1ndheart I've bought smokes in massachusets
11:41:41 Host_Housepoet right just like formula isn't as bad as its supposed to be
11:41:43 eyezwideopen it is pretty nasty
11:41:44 habibek1ndheart I pay 5.32
11:41:45 habibek1ndheart a pack
11:41:47 Host_Housepoet OK NEXT TOPIC LADIES
11:41:56 Host_Housepoet Start gathering your quotes about breastfeeding
11:42:06 MOD_ariana Friendly Reminder: Please do not post unless it is your turn to ask a question. If you have a question, please post a single ?" and you'll be added to the queue. Have your question ready when your name is called. THANKYOU! :)"
11:42:09 Host_Housepoet Send your special breastfeeding quotes to info@breastfeedingisnormal.org or post them on the board.
11:42:15 Host_Housepoet Only nature cures. The task of the physician should be to help nature's efforts, not combat them. (Hippocrates)"
11:42:22 Host_Housepoet The beauty of my body is not measured by the size of the clothes it can fit into, but by the stories it tells. I have a belly and hips that say, 'we grew a child in here,' and breasts that say, 'we nourished life.''" (Sarah, from I Am Beautiful: A Celebration of Women in Their Words)"
11:42:26 Host_Housepoet things like that
11:42:34 Host_Housepoet we are going to have rotating quotes on the website
11:42:38 Host_Housepoet and we need you all to send them in
11:42:45 Host_Housepoet next
11:42:48 Host_Housepoet Research where BF friendly hospitals are in the US.
11:42:56 Host_Housepoet we need all or one of you to Research where BF friendly hospitals are in the US.
11:43:05 Host_Housepoet Is there any legal ramifications for hospitals who don’t follow the mothers wishes to not have any bottles or pacis? Has a mother ever sued and won a legal battle like this?
11:43:08 chris_rezade ?
11:43:09 xxveigaxx ?
11:43:22 Host_Housepoet shot
11:43:27 Host_Housepoet shoot even..what's up
11:43:43 MOD_ariana chris_rezade what's your ?
11:43:45 Host_Housepoet (I'M TRYING TO GO QUICKLY HERE BECAUSE WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME)
11:43:52 chris_rezade With BF friendly hospitals, do you have a standard?
11:44:06 chris_rezade like our baby friendly initiative in the UK?
11:44:15 MOD_ariana chris_rezade  yes
11:44:20 Host_Housepoet that's the same thing that is happening here in the US
11:44:29 Host_Housepoet if the hospital is deemed bfing friendly
11:44:31 jucifer http://www.unicef.org/nutrition/files/nutrition_statusbfhi.pdf
11:44:38 Host_Housepoet then have a standard that they have to uphold
11:44:48 anngwish42 And are we talking about just hospitals here, or looking at doctors/clinics/birth centers too?
11:44:56 eyezwideopen I think the best way to track BF friendly physicains is by having a physician reporting system on the site
11:44:58 Host_Housepoet good question
11:45:03 Host_Housepoet that is what we have
11:45:09 jucifer we have one in b_n
11:45:17 Host_Housepoet the site is going to be completely searchable
11:45:21 jucifer sweet
11:45:29 Host_Housepoet using that database that was started at boob nazis
11:45:36 jucifer What we can do -
11:45:39 givinguponyou can people that arent in b_n post to that though?>
11:45:45 Host_Housepoet well
11:45:53 Host_Housepoet when the site gets UP then people can search on the site
11:45:54 jucifer post a question to mothering.com forums
11:45:54 MOD_ariana Yes, but you have to have an LJ
11:46:11 MOD_ariana givinguponyou you can post there as long as you have an LJ
11:46:17 givinguponyou okay cool
11:46:20 jucifer and ask (in your area) for a BF friendly doctor and ask for details.
11:46:25 jucifer that is where i found mine
11:46:35 eyezwideopen if we all research hospitals in our area then post our findings on the site
11:46:45 Host_Housepoet exactly
11:46:51 eyezwideopen we'll eventually have a nice databse of breastfeeding friendly physicains
11:47:08 Host_Housepoet well what we are trying to create is a friendly and unfriendly database
11:47:23 Host_Housepoet so people know who to look out for.
11:47:37 jucifer what about OB's?  Some can be linked to problems that can lead to failure to BF.
11:47:48 Host_Housepoet sure
11:47:55 jucifer or is that too off-topic?
11:48:01 Host_Housepoet well
11:48:06 MOD_ariana NO, juicifer
11:48:12 jucifer it's a fine line, I know
11:48:13 eyezwideopen we should report all birth centers midwives, hospitals
11:48:13 givinguponyou my OB really helped me with bf
11:48:14 Host_Housepoet you we'll see if that can fit in the form that that we create
11:48:14 MOD_ariana The thread in b-n has OBs too
11:48:22 Host_Housepoet ok ladies
11:48:24 Host_Housepoet SOMETHING FUN HERE
11:48:28 eyezwideopen there is no comprehensabel searchable database that encompasses all
11:48:28 Host_Housepoet FUN FUN FUN!
11:48:42 jucifer I like fun
11:48:45 sugarcoated_poison_apple fun is good
11:48:50 jucifer funny fun fun
11:48:51 Host_Housepoet we're going to let you have a sneak peak at the website
11:48:54 eyezwideopen its really hard to find birth centers or midwives unless you know who to talk to
11:48:55 talula_fairie will this involve nudity?
11:48:57 sugarcoated_poison_apple yay
11:49:00 anngwish42 oooooooooo
11:49:04 sugarcoated_poison_apple oo, nudity ^_~
11:49:13 talula_fairie well, she said fun!
11:49:13 Host_Housepoet Our friend tahoebean has been working her butt off to code this sucker, since I scewed it up
11:49:15 Host_Housepoet :)
11:49:22 Host_Housepoet haha, so here it is
11:49:25 Host_Housepoet http://noel.home.internal.org/template.php
11:49:31 jucifer as long as t_f is naked!  haha
11:49:48 talula_fairie that's beautiful, Noel
11:49:56 xxveigaxx its awesome noel
11:49:58 talula_fairie and thanks to tahoebean for coding it!
11:50:05 givinguponyou beautiful
11:50:15 jucifer awesome!!!
11:50:25 Host_Housepoet it's going to be a STRONG databas of info
11:50:28 Host_Housepoet much like kellymom
11:50:39 Host_Housepoet where you can put in a word and find an aritcle or topic as needed
11:50:41 sugarcoated_poison_apple i like it ^_^
11:50:47 Host_Housepoet bean is amazing at building strong databases
11:50:51 sugarcoated_poison_apple fantasticness
11:50:53 Host_Housepoet which brings us to this as well
11:50:55 anngwish42 I love the color scheme
11:50:59 Host_Housepoet http://breastfeedingisnormal.org/board/
11:51:03 Host_Housepoet that is our message board
11:51:07 eyezwideopen very nice
11:51:19 Host_Housepoet feel free to sign up now and post away with your thoughts and links and findings
11:51:24 givinguponyou that is hot
11:51:36 eyezwideopen hehe i did but I couldn't log in
11:51:45 eyezwideopen I've been posting as guest
11:51:47 Host_Housepoet email me and we'll work it out
11:51:50 Host_Housepoet oh thats you?!?!
11:51:50 Host_Housepoet haha
11:51:51 MOD_ariana Oh, that's you!
11:51:51 Host_Housepoet ok
11:51:54 eyezwideopen that me
11:51:56 eyezwideopen :)
11:52:03 Host_Housepoet we are going to put up a thread to vote on night time chat times
11:52:11 Host_Housepoet since we are losing some moms who can't join us during the day
11:52:14 eyezwideopen yes day time is HARD
11:52:20 Host_Housepoet so that will go out with the next newsletter
11:52:29 Host_Housepoet if you haven't signed up for the newsletter
11:52:36 Host_Housepoet please do so at http://breastfeedisnormal.org