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Breastfeeding Is Normal presents: A Breastfeeding Advocacy Chat #5
6/29/05

23 mamas in attendance

11:03:13 Host_Housepoet OFFICIAL START OF THE BREASTFEEDING IS NORMAL.ORG CHAT! WELCOME! MY NAME IS NOEL AND I AM YOUR HOSTESS TODAY! THIS CHAT IS TRANSCRIPTED AND POSTED ON THE SUNDAY FOLLOWING THIS CHAT...PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN POSTING TO THIS CHAT. THANK YOU! :)
11:03:38 Host_Housepoet PLEASE DIRECT ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS TO ARIANA
11:04:02 Host_Housepoet DOUBLE CLICK HER NAME ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AND THAT WILL POP OPEN A PRIVATE WINDOW
11:04:05 MOD_ariana Friendly Reminder: Please do not post unless it is your turn to ask a question. If you have a question, please post a single ?" and you'll be added to the queue. Or you can private message me. THANKYOU! :)"
11:04:13 Host_Housepoet *hey jen glad to see you here!*
11:04:22 Host_Housepoet Hello and welcome to another exciting edition of the www.Breastfeedingisnormal.org chat on advocacy. I’m your hostess with the mostess, Noel Pickett, infamously known as the evil housepoet on livejournal. My co host partner in crime is the lovely Arianamama, who is sweet and charming. If you have any questions, please double click on her name and that will open a small private window for you to chat with her in.
11:04:23 ncsujen hi
11:04:30 Host_Housepoet Again, my excuse for not being ready yet again is that I’ve gone back to college and man, drawing101 is chapping my hide!
11:04:46 Host_Housepoet Topics for today's chat
11:04:47 Host_Housepoet Agenda | Welcome | Recap of last chat | Mission statement (O) | Site delay | More Myths (O) | www.Promom.org | We still need help!
11:05:08 Host_Housepoet alright let's dive right in shall we
11:05:17 Host_Housepoet Recap of last chat  LAST FORMAL CHAT http://mommychats.com/transcripts/bfactivism04.htm
11:05:29 Host_Housepoet You can check out the transcripts of the last chat there
11:05:43 Host_Housepoet it was a great chat with a great turn out again
11:06:05 Host_Housepoet thanks to everyone who joined us
11:06:06 Host_Housepoet :)
11:06:17 cassandrakfreaq did i miss out again?
11:06:21 cassandrakfreaq :(
11:06:24 Host_Housepoet no you're in the right place
11:06:36 cassandrakfreaq thank the lord haha
11:06:45 Host_Housepoet up next Ariana is going to give us an Adopt A Mom update
11:06:50 Host_Housepoet Ariana - the floor is yours
11:07:09 MOD_ariana Ok, Most of you know Adopt A Mom is a group of experienced breastfeeders on Live Journal
11:07:24 MOD_ariana We adopt" new moms and mentor them on breastfeeding"
11:07:42 MOD_ariana I think the program is going really well.  We've had some wonderful success stories
11:07:57 MOD_ariana We've had A LOT of interest from new and pregnant moms
11:08:04 acidflowers hi, casual or formal chat today? i forgot
11:08:08 MOD_ariana I really think this is an idea that needs to be in place
11:08:09 Host_Housepoet FORMAL
11:08:16 MOD_ariana But we do need more mentors!
11:08:23 Host_Housepoet that we do!
11:08:35 MOD_ariana If you or someone you know is an experienced and educated breastfeeder
11:08:53 MOD_ariana have them go to this post on live journal http://www.livejournal.com/community/adopt_a_mom/712.html  and enter their info
11:09:15 MOD_ariana If you know someone who is a new mom and needs help have them go here http://www.livejournal.com/community/adopt_a_mom/16823.html
11:09:23 cassandrakfreaq how experienced... i have BFed for almost 6 months and have experience with tounge-tie, plugged ducts, thrush and so on....i'll help if needed
11:09:34 MOD_ariana For pregnant moms who need to learn a lot before the baby comes http://www.livejournal.com/community/adopt_a_mom/16919.html
11:09:57 MOD_ariana We usually ask that our mentors have 6 months experience so you'd be welcome to apply
11:10:18 MOD_ariana We like to match up new moms with mentors who have had similar experience
11:10:25 cassandrakfreaq oh ok great I will do so once I get back from vacation
11:10:35 Hayley same here
11:10:37 MOD_ariana older child younger nursling, or working/pumping or whatever
11:10:55 MOD_ariana so I really like to have a large selection of mentors to call upon so PLEASE spread the word
11:11:16 Host_Housepoet yes please
11:11:24 buzzy_bee I'll wait another two months then
11:11:26 Hayley sure i thought about applying before but wasn't sure how experienced you had to be
11:11:30 Host_Housepoet it's vitally important that we get enough mentors and helping people out
11:11:44 Host_Housepoet yes we just ask that you've had at least 6 months
11:11:51 buzzy_bee (though have experience of thrush, plugged ducts, reynauds, OAL and food intolerances)
11:11:51 Host_Housepoet OK NEXT
11:11:56 Host_Housepoet OUR MISSION STATEMENT
11:12:08 Host_Housepoet Has been beautifully written by Anna Swank
11:12:12 Xavi boo!
11:12:28 Host_Housepoet who is known as xxveigaxx I believe on LJ
11:12:35 Host_Housepoet so here it is in all its glory
11:12:44 Host_Housepoet Breastfeedingisnormal.org is committed to making a positive difference in the perception of breastfeeding, to making the practice of breastfeeding normal" again in our society, and to replacing the onslaught of infant formula found in today's media with breastfeeding education and resources.  Through political advocacy, Breastfeedingisnormal.org promotes governmental support and protection of breastfeeding mothers and their children.  Through education and support, Breastfeedingisnormal.org promotes healthy alternatives to formula use, encourages new mothers to begin and continue breastfeeding, gives mothers the confidence to nurse their children in public, and gives society the understanding that breastfeeding is normal."
11:13:08 tristyn Can I offer a suggestion?
11:13:15 Host_Housepoet of course
11:13:19 Host_Housepoet the floor is open
11:13:22 Host_Housepoet open even.
11:14:02 MOD_ariana tristyn you're our favorite editor!!
11:14:14 Host_Housepoet oh tristyn.........we're waiting! lol
11:14:17 tristyn replacing the onslaught of formula" - there isn't actual formula in the media - maybe edit a bit to something like "replacing the onslaught of pro-formula advertising""
11:14:23 Host_Housepoet *whip*
11:14:35 Hayley there is formula in the media
11:14:41 ncsujen free samples?
11:14:43 MOD_ariana Ok, now that's bringing scary pictures to my mind!
11:14:46 cassandrakfreaq oh I will weep the day I am out in public and I see most mothers unabashedly nursing
11:14:49 tristyn I've never had a can of formula fall out of a magazine and hit my lap
11:14:57 Host_Housepoet you haven't?
11:14:59 Hayley oh ok
11:15:01 Hayley i see your point, sorry
11:15:01 Host_Housepoet I have have! ;)
11:15:03 Host_Housepoet haha.
11:15:10 Host_Housepoet I think that is a great suggestion
11:15:14 tristyn I'm admittedly a semantics whore
11:15:21 Host_Housepoet that's why we like you
11:15:27 Host_Housepoet any other suggestions?
11:15:27 tristyn Other than that, I think it's great.
11:15:41 acidflowers it definitely is
11:15:46 Host_Housepoet alrighty
11:15:47 MOD_ariana You are the best semantics whore there is
11:15:49 sunshineblossom I like it
11:15:51 Xavi First time I've seen it  and I really like it too.  Good job!
11:15:53 cassandrakfreaq I dont know if you take a marketing class and see why they ddo their ads the way they do youb might change your mind
11:15:56 acidflowers our boobs are going to change the world!
11:16:00 cassandrakfreaq sorry guys NAK
11:16:02 Host_Housepoet WELL Hello Miss Promom
11:16:03 tristyn I'm a semantics call girl. Top of the ladder.
11:16:08 Xavi I snuck in :)
11:16:11 Host_Housepoet hehe
11:16:15 Host_Housepoet we're going to talk about you in a sec
11:16:16 MOD_ariana hi class!
11:16:19 Host_Housepoet ON NEXT UP LADIES
11:16:22 acidflowers talk about who?
11:16:25 Host_Housepoet Site Delay
11:16:26 Xavi Jazzy is eating some Cheerio's so I figured I'd take the 5 minutes I had
11:16:33 Host_Housepoet AWESOME
11:16:33 tristyn Cass, I think someone taking classes in marketing would be astoundingly useful
11:16:41 Xavi Talk about me I'd imagine....shall I introduce myself Noel?
11:16:46 Host_Housepoet Go for i
11:16:47 Host_Housepoet it
11:16:51 Host_Housepoet You have the floor
11:16:52 Hayley i have to go sorry
11:16:58 Host_Housepoet we'll just skip right to you since you have a sec
11:17:06 Host_Housepoet transcripts will be up on sunday!
11:17:11 Host_Housepoet bye hayley
11:17:23 Xavi My name is Carrie (also known as Xavi7734 on LJ), I'm the current Webmaster and 2005 National Nurse Out Director for ProMoM.Org and starting in September I will be the Executive Director as well.
11:17:26 Xavi So that's me, talk away :D
11:17:30 Host_Housepoet haha
11:17:38 Host_Housepoet alright
11:17:47 Host_Housepoet well for those of you who don't know Promom is another advocacy site
11:17:54 Host_Housepoet and every year they do a National Nurse Out
11:17:54 jucifer I love PROMOM
11:17:55 Host_Housepoet http://www.promom.org/nno
11:18:00 Xavi Promotion of Mohter's Milk
11:18:01 tristyn Oh, great, I really love the 3min advocacy on promom!
11:18:02 Host_Housepoet all the info you need can be found at that link
11:18:13 Host_Housepoet sorry boob juice promotion ;)
11:18:20 Xavi lol
11:18:27 Host_Housepoet Already planned nurse outs can be found here http://www.promom.org/nno/localnurseouts.htm
11:18:33 Host_Housepoet Info on how to organize your own local Nurse out  http://www.promom.org/nno/organizeLNO.htm
11:18:40 Host_Housepoet so please check out those links
11:18:45 Host_Housepoet Pormom is a GREAT organization
11:18:54 Xavi My personal goal for the NNO this year, is to have a Nurse Out organized in every state (at a bare minimum)
11:18:57 Host_Housepoet I can only hope that ours is as well established and respected as promom someday
11:19:06 Xavi Each year we also have Nurse Out's in other countries and it's fantastic.
11:19:13 Host_Housepoet doesn't matter how big or how small, as long as you are out nursing your baby
11:19:13 Xavi Awwww, that's sweet.
11:19:36 cassandrakfreaq are you allowed to bring this up at your local LLL meetings?
11:19:44 Xavi Well.....that's tricky
11:19:45 Host_Housepoet so please check ou the site and see how you can help organize a nurse out in your area
11:19:52 Xavi If you are a LLL Leader, technically you are not
11:20:00 Host_Housepoet what if you're just a memeber?
11:20:03 Xavi But that doesn't mean that you can't have your core Mom's bring it up
11:20:05 Astabeth Are there any plans to have a national nurse out?  Like, same time all over the US?
11:20:09 cassandrakfreaq im not i just attend and i am a member
11:20:11 tristyn LLLI leaders are supposed to stick to the official cirriculum, yes?
11:20:13 Xavi And it can be brought up after the formal part of the meeting
11:20:14 Host_Housepoet like bring in a flyer and say 'hey is anyone going? lets meet up!'
11:20:14 Xavi Yes
11:20:20 Xavi Yup exactly Noel
11:20:26 tristyn And could I have spelled that more poorly...
11:20:31 Xavi Astabeth - there is usually a Nurse Out like you are speaking of in Berkeley each year
11:20:33 cassandrakfreaq thats what i was gonna do
11:20:37 Xavi I haven't heard anything about it this year though
11:20:45 Host_Housepoet great!  Cass!
11:20:54 Xavi Awesome Cass!
11:20:55 Host_Housepoet I think that there are flyers ON promom that you could print out yourself
11:21:00 Xavi Yup there sure are
11:21:02 Host_Housepoet right Carrie?
11:21:06 Xavi Right
11:21:13 acidflowers do you have to pay to be a member of LLL? i think i remember checking into my local chapter and it said you have to pay
11:21:15 Astabeth I would like to see groups planning one all over the US on the same day- that would get lots of media attention, I think
11:21:15 Host_Housepoet see this is another way to promote breastfeeding as well
11:21:26 Astabeth I would be willing to help organize...
11:21:27 Xavi You do have to pay to be a member, but you don't have to be a member to attend
11:21:33 Host_Housepoet promom has flyers to download yourself and print up and heck, you could take them to your DR office, the laundry mat
11:21:41 Host_Housepoet any place where kids babies and moms are
11:21:44 Host_Housepoet and tack one up
11:21:50 Host_Housepoet you're getting the word out!
11:21:50 Xavi We also have pre-written press releases that you can send out to your local media
11:21:59 tristyn The formula aisle of the grocery store...
11:22:01 Host_Housepoet all the information is on the promom site!
11:22:05 Host_Housepoet haha T!
11:22:11 Host_Housepoet http://www.promom.org/nno
11:22:17 Host_Housepoet http://www.promom.org/nno
11:22:18 cassandrakfreaq you can attend for free otherwise its 36 dollars to be  a member but they are not pushy at all in fact they dont even bring it up
11:22:18 Host_Housepoet http://www.promom.org/nno
11:22:19 Xavi You rock Noel, thanks for the plug
11:22:24 Host_Housepoet of course
11:22:29 Host_Housepoet thanks for having a great site!
11:22:34 Host_Housepoet OH AND ONE MORE THING LADIES
11:22:37 Xavi And if anyone needs to talk to me about it directly webmaster@promom.org
11:22:43 acidflowers ooh, that's really good to know
11:22:44 Host_Housepoet THE 101 REASONS TO BREASTFEED YOUR BABY HAS BEEN UPDATED WITH MORE INFOR
11:22:46 Host_Housepoet INFO
11:22:49 acidflowers i really want to attend some meetings in my area
11:22:50 Xavi NEW info!
11:22:57 Host_Housepoet more new better
11:22:59 Host_Housepoet ;)
11:23:00 MOD_ariana I saw that!
11:23:05 Xavi http://www.promom.org/101
11:23:08 MOD_ariana It's new and improved
11:23:12 Xavi We've also got a PDF file that you can download on your own :)
11:23:18 Host_Housepoet promom rocks
11:23:27 Host_Housepoet ok, enough mushy mushy on the promom, lets move on
11:23:32 jucifer My husband and I give to the poorest LLL in the city of Boston, I think everyone should give to a local LLL - even if it's 5 bucks a month.
11:23:33 Xavi In my best Elvis voice -- thank you, thank you very much
11:23:36 Host_Housepoet hahaha
11:23:37 cassandrakfreaq i would definitely if i were you...i was afraid to go at first and i am so glad i finally did'
11:23:50 Host_Housepoet OK
11:23:56 Host_Housepoet SOME OF YOU ARE PROBABLY WONDERING WHERE THIS SITE IS
11:24:06 Host_Housepoet WE'VE HAD A SLIGHT DELAY IN THE MAKING OF THE SITE
11:24:09 Host_Housepoet BUT FOR GREAT REASON
11:24:15 Host_Housepoet We got a very generous offer from a very talented site builder to make the site so much more than it would have been, with a great searchable structure and easy updating, but these things take time. Once the site is up it’ll be even better than previously anticipated.
11:24:25 Xavi WOW!
11:24:28 Xavi Great news!
11:24:30 acidflowers awesome
11:24:30 Host_Housepoet IT'S BUILT ALMOST LIKE LJ
11:24:33 ncsujen yay!
11:24:40 conchispa yay!
11:24:42 cassandrakfreaq cool
11:24:51 Host_Housepoet BASICALLY WE HAVE A MGR SECTION THAT WE PLUG INTO AND CAN ADD AND DELETE INFO
11:24:55 Host_Housepoet THE SITE IS STRONG
11:25:02 Host_Housepoet MADE OF STEEL AND CONCRETE
11:25:05 Host_Housepoet IT'S AWESOME
11:25:11 cassandrakfreaq and liquid gold ;)
11:25:13 acidflowers i can't wait to see it
11:25:19 Host_Housepoet SO WE ARE JUST WORKING OUT SOME KINKS AND IT WILL BE GOOD TO GO
11:25:59 Xavi That's really some fantastic news!  It was great to begin with but this will be awesome!
11:26:01 Host_Housepoet HERE IS A LITTLE PEAK AT IT
11:26:02 Host_Housepoet http://bfin.home.internal.org
11:26:22 cassandrakfreaq oh wow
11:26:28 cassandrakfreaq that looks fabulous
11:26:42 Host_Housepoet IT MAY LOAD A BIT SLOW SINCE SHE'S WORKING ON IT RIGHT NOW
11:26:44 Host_Housepoet IT'S AMAZING
11:26:48 Xavi nice!!!
11:26:54 Host_Housepoet REALLY THE BACKEND STUFF IS LIKE BEYOND ME
11:27:01 Host_Housepoet IT'S SO SOLID.
11:27:05 ncsujen looks great
11:27:08 acidflowers gorgeous!
11:27:13 Host_Housepoet TAHOEBEAN AND HAROLDP ARE THE ONES TO THANK
11:27:20 Xavi I was just about to ask that
11:27:26 Host_Housepoet SO WE'LL HAVE TO GET A POOL TOGETHER AND BUY THEIR DAUGHTER SOME ROBEEZ OR SOMETIHNG. ;)
11:27:33 Host_Housepoet HAHA, PRESENTS FOR THE BABY BUT NOT MOM AND DAD ;)
11:27:47 Host_Housepoet OK,
11:27:48 Host_Housepoet NEXT UP
11:27:55 Host_Housepoet More Myths
11:28:02 Host_Housepoet We still need myths to be sent to us at infor@breastfeedingisnormal.org . Or you can visit http://breastfeedingisnormal.org/board  and drop your myths there. I KNOW you all have heard some winners, being members of livejournal, where the 1% of women who can’t breastfeed all have live journals.
11:28:07 acidflowers wow, i'm really impressed
11:28:15 Host_Housepoet THAT WOULD BE info@breastfeedingisnormal.org
11:28:33 Host_Housepoet WHAT WE HAVE SO FAR
11:28:48 Host_Housepoet We have:  Women who are Vegetarians or Vegans won’t be able to breastfeed    Unsafe to breastfeed while pregnant     Large or Small breasts     Flat or inverted nipples     Breast surgery     Mom needs medications    Mom has PPD     Milk wasn’t fatty enough/didn’t have enough calories     Baby won’t gain enough weight on breast milk     Mom plans on returning to work/school     Baby is premature     Mother has diabetes     Can’t make enough for twins     It will cause your breasts to sag     I had sore/bleeding nipples    I can’t breastfeed in public    Mom doesn’t want to adjust her diet     Mom smokes     Mom wants to drink alcohol occasionally     Moms who nurse are sexually abusing their babies    It will spoil the baby
11:29:00 Host_Housepoet These are the myths that were collected several chats ago, our great list members have found links and info to debunk them.  YAY   But now we want MORE myths.
11:29:12 Xavi Hey Noel - would it be possible to send you a list of what you are still missing?  I know that I've sent in a ton but don't want to be replicating work others are doing.
11:29:14 buzzy_bee if you exercise your milk will dry up (from a health prof)
11:29:18 cassandrakfreaq you know i need to get on that I had a bunch of info and my comp crashed,..... i was so pissed i never got back to starting all over again]
11:29:26 Host_Housepoet WELL WE'RE LOOKING FOR MORE MYTHS
11:29:38 Host_Housepoet THESE LISTED HERE ARE THE ONES THAT WE HAVE AND THAT ARE COMPLETED.
11:29:38 Xavi Nevermind, I need to learn how to read..haha
11:29:39 MOD_ariana Those myths that Housepoet posted have info already
11:29:43 conchispa myth: mothers who've had breast reduction can't breastfeed
11:30:03 MOD_ariana What we need now are MORE Myths that aren't on that list
11:30:04 ncsujen I heard the other day that if you breastfeed you'll NEVER lose the baby weight. (bs!)
11:30:05 buzzy_bee ok gotta go pick up DH from work, its 5:30 here
11:30:07 jucifer Even mothers who have no milk, can still NURSE
11:30:09 buzzy_bee sorry folks
11:30:14 jucifer w/ an SNS
11:30:21 acidflowers omg jen, what moron said that
11:30:23 conchispa jucifier: exactly!
11:30:30 ncsujen MY PEDIATRICIAN'S NURSE
11:30:35 buzzy_bee omg!
11:30:37 acidflowers holy crap
11:30:39 candiedsanity Don't forget that breastfeeding mothers don't make enough vitamin K so we have to supplement with Enfamil vitamin drops.
11:30:41 ncsujen when I called to pay them the $300 they were harassing me for. lol
11:30:46 cassandrakfreaq what can you give a  personal testimony cuz my son is 5 and a half month and i have lost almost 80 lb.s....
11:30:54 buzzy_bee bye all
11:30:59 MOD_ariana bye buzzy
11:31:09 acidflowers 80 pounds? wow
11:31:11 jucifer I didn't lose any weight due to the medication I am on.
11:31:17 MOD_ariana We prefer to have links to info rather than just" personal experiences"
11:31:21 jucifer But, that is not because of nursing - it's b/c of the meds
11:31:21 MOD_ariana but everything helps
11:31:25 ncsujen The only time I wasn't losing weight while nursing was when I was on the bc pill.
11:31:53 Xavi myth:  hormonal birth control will not reduce your supply
11:31:54 Hisrisingstar hey everyone! It took me forever to figure out how to register!
11:31:54 MOD_ariana BC pills is another myth
11:31:57 cassandrakfreaq I havent used any birthcontrol and I take a belly dancing class and another dance class but i eat likew cow
11:32:08 tristyn Ariana - in which sense?
11:32:19 MOD_ariana Well in two senses
11:32:30 MOD_ariana the one Xavi mentioned that it does NOT hurt supply
11:32:38 Host_Housepoet ANOTHER MYTH THAT HAS BEEN BOTHERING ME LATELY
11:32:39 MOD_ariana and that you CAN'T be on BC while nursing
11:32:42 tristyn Ah, OK.
11:32:48 Host_Housepoet IS THE FLICKING A BABY WHEN THEY BITE YOU
11:32:51 jucifer housepoet - flicking???
11:32:54 acidflowers oh lord
11:32:56 Host_Housepoet OH GIRL
11:32:57 acidflowers haha
11:32:59 Host_Housepoet YOU DONT EVEN KNOW
11:32:59 Xavi Grrr totally inappropriate!
11:33:02 Host_Housepoet BNS, LADIES
11:33:03 Host_Housepoet BNS
11:33:03 ncsujen I've even heard that it will mess with the effectiveness of your bc pill to nurse because part of the medication goes away in your milk.
11:33:06 ncsujen You can thank LJ for that gem.
11:33:09 jucifer I saw - bite them back""
11:33:13 jucifer OMG
11:33:14 Host_Housepoet AND FLICK THEM BACK
11:33:15 Xavi Babies who are actively nursing CANNOT physically bite.
11:33:18 cassandrakfreaq yeah my doctor tried to tell me i coundlt take them and I was like yes youy can and i todl him which ones....he must hate me
11:33:20 Host_Housepoet SO I'D LIKE CARRIE TO ANSWER THIS ONE
11:33:22 meldess Another myth:  Papa can't bond with baby if s/he is breastfed
11:33:24 acidflowers i agree with xavi
11:33:26 jucifer xavi - correct!
11:33:29 Xavi OKAY HERE'S MY STANDARD LLL ANSWER
11:33:37 Host_Housepoet SPEAKING FROM THE LLL  POINT OF VIEW
11:33:39 acidflowers good one meldess!
11:33:40 Host_Housepoet shoot
11:33:50 conchispa is the myth can't breastfeed if go back to work up there?
11:33:59 MOD_ariana conchispa yeah that one is there
11:34:04 Xavi Like I said above, a baby who is actively nursing, physically cannot bite.  So the first step is to WATCH your child and pay attention.  If you are paying close enough attention you can unlatch in time before he/she starts to bite
11:34:15 jucifer yup!
11:34:18 MOD_ariana Exactly
11:34:19 tristyn The problem, it seems to me, is that doctors don't realize there are two aspects of safety, when it comes to BC and BF - yes, it's safe as in, the hormones excreted in milk aren't dangerous to the nursling.
11:34:19 Xavi It is NOT appropriate to flick, pinch, bite or otherwise hurt your child because they hurt you
11:34:38 tristyn But it's unsafe due to the impact on lactation
11:34:42 Xavi It is, however appropriate to put your child down explain calmly that the nursing session is over and go about your day.
11:34:46 cassandrakfreaq hiw can someone be ok with flicking an effing 4 month old thats what i'd like to know jesus!!
11:34:47 acidflowers my daughter has just gotten 5 teeth in the past two weeks and ever since, i've started to watch, and make sure she's eating so i can avoid biting altogether
11:35:01 tristyn Well, the poster in that case clarified that she was just tapping the child's cheek because the child has an aversion to face touching while eating
11:35:12 Xavi Teething is a HUGE harbringer of biting behavior
11:35:32 ncsujen still.. why teach that you respond to violence/hurting with doing something the other person doesn't like/is hurt by?
11:35:35 jucifer hasn't anyone heard of hylands????  :):)
11:35:35 ncsujen bad example to set.
11:35:42 acidflowers hylands?
11:35:48 ncsujen teething pills (homeopathic)
11:35:49 jucifer teething tablets
11:35:53 conchispa i told my baby she is not allowed to have teeth :)
11:35:56 jucifer www.hylands.com
11:35:59 acidflowers lol conchispa
11:36:01 tristyn Is a tap inherently painful or violent?
11:36:03 jucifer lol @ con
11:36:04 cassandrakfreaq morgan got his first tooth three days ago....no biting yet lol
11:36:18 acidflowers honestly, i think that whole flicking thing is way out of hand
11:36:22 jucifer My daughter has 12 teeth - she's 14 months!!!  4 molars!
11:36:24 Xavi Terrible example to set and in all honesty will likely do one of two things.  1.  Lead to early weaning (because the baby becomes too frightened to nurse) or 2.  Actually INCREASE the behavior because the baby see's Mom's exaggerated reaction and finds it
11:36:27 vickibee Hello there! Baby is napping in his carseat before lunch by surprise so thought I'd join in.
11:36:27 Xavi funny so they will do it again
11:36:32 meldess why not bite the baby back???  JUST KIDDING.  didn't someone say tjat?  nak
11:36:33 tristyn I do agree that paying attention to latch is a much better idea. But I think people got a bit carried away there.
11:36:38 acidflowers i don't believe she's injuring her child, i believe it's probably a tap, an annoyance, i agree that there is no need to flick
11:37:02 vickibee My little uy is getting his 2 year molars, he's having a tough time of it.
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11:37:19 jucifer brb
11:37:21 Hisrisingstar Someone tried to give my 6 month old an oreo yesterday!
11:37:41 cassandrakfreaq whar!!!!!!!
11:37:42 tristyn Funny that the 2-yr molars were actually the easiest teeth for my son! I thought they'd be awful.
11:37:43 Host_Housepoet HAS EVERYON SIGNED UP AT THE BOARD?
11:37:48 acidflowers what did youdo?
11:37:50 Host_Housepoet AND VOTED FOR THE NIGHT TIME CHAT?
11:37:53 Hisrisingstar I smakced her hand away
11:37:56 acidflowers hahaha
11:37:56 cassandrakfreaq yeah i would have freaked
11:37:56 Hisrisingstar smacked
11:37:57 Xavi Good for you!
11:38:03 Hisrisingstar I probably shouldnt have smacked her hand
11:38:06 Hisrisingstar but I was furious
11:38:13 Host_Housepoet OK LADIES NEXT TOPIC
11:38:18 Host_Housepoet WE'LL OPEN UP THE FLOOR AGAIN AT THE END
11:38:19 Host_Housepoet :)
11:38:21 cassandrakfreaq yes you should have
11:38:21 vickibee Smacked the person, not the baby, right? :)
11:38:28 acidflowers *sshhh*
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11:38:36 Hisrisingstar haha I smacked the womans hand who was trying to feed my baby an oreo!
11:38:49 vickibee ?
11:38:54 Host_Housepoet SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED IS LOCAL CAPTINS FOR THE POLICTICAL SIDE OF THINGS
11:39:02 Host_Housepoet who is interested in the law and is a legal watcher.
11:39:16 Host_Housepoet WE NEED WOMEN TO BE THE LEADERS FOR THEIR AREAS, STATES, WHAT HAVE YOU
11:39:21 Hisrisingstar im a political science major
11:39:26 Host_Housepoet YOU CAN SIGN UP ON THE SITE, AND PUT UP A POST
11:39:35 cassandrakfreaq I would loveto learn ...wisconsin needs help desperately
11:39:45 Host_Housepoet THAT YOU WANT TO BE THE LEADER FOR YOUR STATE
11:39:51 cassandrakfreaq yes
11:39:58 Host_Housepoet WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT YOU'LL BE THE GO TO PERSON FOR YOUR STATE
11:40:23 Host_Housepoet AND THEN YOU WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF GATHERING INFO OR ASKING OTHERS TO, ABOUT POLITICAL HAPPENINGS IN YOUR STATE
11:40:33 Host_Housepoet IT'S WORK, BUT REALLY WORTH IT ONCE WE GET THINGS UP AND RUNNING
11:40:40 Host_Housepoet YOUR FINDINGS WOULD GO ON THE SITE IN THE POLITICAL SECTION
11:41:02 Host_Housepoet AND WE WOULD TRY AND ENCOURAGE WOMEN ON YOUR STATE TO VOTE FOR POLITICIANS WHO ARE PRO-BF
11:41:12 Host_Housepoet AND WE WOULD GET BILLS PASSED THAT ARE PRO-BF
11:41:26 Host_Housepoet WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT THE KINKS ON HOW TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN EASILY
11:41:30 Host_Housepoet BUT WE'LL GET THERE
11:41:35 Host_Housepoet WE JUST NEED PEOPLE TO HELP
11:41:36 alphapythia well that took forevere to join- hey guys
11:41:37 Host_Housepoet AND VOLENTEER
11:41:45 Host_Housepoet WE STILL NEED GRAMMAR NAZIS
11:41:48 Host_Housepoet TO EDIT ARTICLES
11:41:57 vickibee I'd love to help edit stuff.
11:42:01 jucifer angwish - grammar nazis
11:42:04 Host_Housepoet SUGARPOISIONAPPLE DID A GREAT JOB ON WRITING UP BLURBS FOR THE SITE
11:42:10 Host_Housepoet OH HECK YAH
11:42:12 MOD_ariana Friendly Reminder: Please do not post unless it is your turn to ask a question. If you have a question, please post a single ?" and you'll be added to the queue. Have your question ready when your name is called. THANKYOU! :)"
11:42:19 Host_Housepoet AND YOU JUICE, WE NEED LIKE ALL YOUR LINKS
11:42:22 Host_Housepoet ;)
11:42:28 jucifer k
11:42:32 Host_Housepoet ACUTALLY THAT WAS SOMETHING i WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT
11:42:37 acidflowers i'm a great grammar nazi
11:42:39 Host_Housepoet SO STICK AROUND I WANT TO PICK YOUR BRAIN
11:42:45 jucifer k
11:42:49 Host_Housepoet WE ALSO NEED
11:42:55 Host_Housepoet PEOPLE TO MAKE NIP TUTORIALS
11:42:57 Host_Housepoet WITH IMAGES
11:43:03 acidflowers ?
11:43:03 Host_Housepoet I KNOW WE ASKED ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST CHAT
11:43:08 Host_Housepoet BUT AGAIN ANYONE WITH A DIGITAL CAMERA
11:43:09 Xavi What a GREAT idea!!!
11:43:18 Host_Housepoet WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SHOW MOMS HOW TO NIP CORRECTLY
11:43:26 Host_Housepoet EVEN IF YOU JUST TAKE THE IMAGES I CAN MAKE THE TUTORIAL
11:43:28 Xavi That is freaking brilliant!
11:43:31 Host_Housepoet WE WANT BABIES OF ALL AGES
11:43:33 Host_Housepoet AND SIZES
11:43:33 jucifer Not wantonly?  ;)
11:43:43 Host_Housepoet I'M GOING TO MAKE ONE WITH MY 21 MONTH OLD ;)
11:43:51 conchispa ?
11:43:55 Host_Housepoet BUT IF ANYONE HAS A SMALLER BABY, WE WANT YOU TO DO SO AS WELL
11:44:12 Host_Housepoet WHAT I WILL DO, I PROMISE, IS MAKE ONE, AND THEN YOU JUST COPY THE POSES THAT I'VE DONE
11:44:20 Host_Housepoet YOU CAN SEND THE IMAGES MY WAY
11:44:28 Host_Housepoet noel@breastfeedingisnormal.org
11:44:36 Host_Housepoet If you have any questions, please double click on her name and that will open a small private window for you to chat with her in.
11:44:43 Host_Housepoet ariana that is
11:44:57 Host_Housepoet LASTLY I THINK
11:44:57 Host_Housepoet Media Relations – someone to keep a rolodex of media contacts in each state.
11:45:17 Xavi I can send you what I have for Georgia since I just got done sending about 100+ Press Releases out for the NNO
11:45:25 Host_Housepoet THAT WOULD BE GREAT
11:45:35 Host_Housepoet SEE GUYS, PROMOM ROCKS
11:45:39 Host_Housepoet OH AND ONE MORE THING
11:45:40 Xavi lol
11:45:57 Host_Housepoet EYEZWIDEOPEN WHO VOLENTEERED TO HELP OUT WITH THE NON-PROFIT INFO
11:46:02 Host_Housepoet IS IN THE MIDDLE OF BUYING HER FIRST HOUSE
11:46:08 Host_Housepoet SO IT LOOKS LIKE SHE MIGHT BE A BIT BUSY ;)
11:46:21 Xavi Okay I've got to run and make some more cucumbers for Jazzy.  Noel call me later if you want or if you need anything.
11:46:27 Host_Housepoet IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS MADE A NON PROFIT BEFORE THAT CAN HELP US ESTABLISH OURSELVES AND BECOME A NON PROFIT ?
11:46:30 Xavi Let me know what you need with the NP stuff and I'll put it together for you
11:46:31 Host_Housepoet WILL DO
11:46:37 Host_Housepoet I'LL CALL YO ON MY BREAK FROM CLASS ;)
11:46:39 Xavi At least get youa list of what you need
11:46:41 Xavi k
11:46:44 Host_Housepoet THANKS FOR COMING
11:46:46 Host_Housepoet ALRIGHT LADIES
11:46:48 Xavi you bet!  Bye everyone!
11:46:53 Host_Housepoet THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR ANYTHING?
11:46:55 Host_Housepoet QUESTIONS?
11:46:56 Host_Housepoet THOUGHTS?
11:46:59 alphapythia ive made a church before, its similar to a 501c3
11:47:01 Host_Housepoet JOKES?
11:47:11 jucifer a church?
11:47:15 Host_Housepoet A CHURCH?
11:47:30 acidflowers i don't think i'd be very good at the political stuff, but i definitely want to help
11:47:44 Host_Housepoet well we can use you to edit articles.
11:47:47 Host_Housepoet once they are up on the web
11:47:48 Hisrisingstar I had a thought, how do I get my husband to be more understanding of breastfeeding?
11:47:54 MOD_ariana acidflowers there isn't a whole lot to the politics stuff right now
11:47:55 jucifer my husband is great at political stuff
11:47:57 alphapythia yeah, we got our coven recongnized as a legal church so that we could grant clergy status for weddings/hos visits etc
11:47:57 MOD_ariana it's mostly research
11:48:01 jucifer and he is a great writer
11:48:03 acidflowers i can also write articles, i finally got around to writing my first one the other day
11:48:10 Hisrisingstar hes always telling me to cover up, or I shouldnt judge people for formula feeding, and he said I was too fanatical and obsessed" with breastfeedingh"
11:48:10 jucifer COOL!
11:48:19 jucifer that is - cool to the coven""
11:48:22 Host_Housepoet my says that too at times
11:48:38 ncsujen mine too
11:48:43 Hisrisingstar it makes me furious!
11:48:48 acidflowers ugh, men
11:48:49 jucifer he has started a BF paper" already and need to work on it"
11:48:57 Host_Housepoet I just chalk it up to his own misunderstanding of breastfeeding
11:49:05 Host_Housepoet men just won't get it bc they are not mothers
11:49:12 meldess Mine, too.  He told me that I have no other interests and I said, so?""
11:49:14 jucifer He is a brilliant writer - and I'm not saying that b/c he's my hubby
11:49:20 ncsujen especially if they haven't been exposed to it prior to having their first baby
11:49:21 Host_Housepoet I would love to see that juice!
11:49:29 jucifer I'll send you the beginings of it
11:49:30 MOD_ariana jucifer I don't believe you'd marry anyone less than brilliant!!
11:49:34 conchispa i can also write articles. i'id also like to get somehow involved with educating healthcare professionals about BFing
11:49:36 jucifer it needs spellcheck!
11:49:38 alphapythia hisrising- well, i tend to agree with the not ju7dging people for formula feeding, as an unwilling (medically nessery combo feeder myself, im always paranoid whcen im bottle feeding in public that peiople think im doing it willingly) but the covering up, h
11:49:40 Hisrisingstar lol
11:49:52 MOD_ariana Hisrisingstar I think education is key key key
11:49:56 Hisrisingstar yea, thats understandable.
11:50:07 jucifer baby is up!
11:50:07 MOD_ariana My dh would never read anything him self so I had to spoon feed him info
11:50:09 Hisrisingstar i TRY to educate him
11:50:10 jucifer got to