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Breastfeeding Is Normal presents: A Breastfeeding Advocacy Chat #10
 8/24/05

8 mamas in attendance

11:06:02 mummoth hi mwalton
11:06:15 mwalton hi
11:06:38 mwalton guess there's not an advocacy chat today?
11:06:40 mummoth havee you been to this chat before? does it usually start late?
11:06:49 mwalton yes, and nope usually right on time
11:08:45 mummoth darn! I was really hoping to hear some good positive pro-breastfeeding stuff too!
11:09:58 mwalton well i can tell you about the nurse in we had 2 weeks ago :)
11:10:38 mwalton and you can always check out http://www.breastfeedingisnormal.org
11:11:36 mummoth sure!
11:12:11 mwalton well there was a business here locally that kicked out a nursing mom (with security even!) even though the law protected her
11:12:19 mummoth my sister had a baby girl yesterday! My first neice! My kids' first cousin!
11:12:32 mummoth wow!
11:12:58 mwalton so a group of us organized a nurse in..we realized soon that we weren't going to get the numbers we wanted...so we did a modified nurse in/nurse out kinda
11:13:36 mwalton we wrote a letter to the management about how they had broken the law and we hoped it was just in ignorance and provided them with flyers about the law and reasons to breastfeed as well as a nice sign that said breastfeeding mothers welcome here""
11:13:40 mwalton then we went there
11:13:48 mwalton nursed, and presented the packet to management
11:14:00 mummoth how did it go over?
11:14:32 mwalton really well, they were really nice about it, i left on vacation 2 days later and just got back so i have to go and see if they put up the sign
11:14:48 mwalton also we asked for a response in writing and i need to contact my coorganizer who was their contact point to respond to
11:15:34 mwalton but either way they can no longer claim ignorance of the law :)
11:15:46 mummoth thats true!
11:16:26 mwalton and since the coorganizer and i just met a bunch of great people at an antiwar ralley on monday our next nurse in should it be required won't be so quiet :)
11:16:28 mummoth that sounds like it went great!
11:16:41 mummoth lol
11:17:25 mwalton yep..it did :)
11:18:16 Host_Housepoet Hello all
11:18:19 Host_Housepoet Sorry I'm late
11:18:22 mummoth hi housepoet
11:18:26 Host_Housepoet I just got my computer up and running
11:18:36 Host_Housepoet man we rearranged the office and I screwed up our router
11:18:37 mwalton np :) we were just talking about the utah nursein
11:18:46 mwalton and how it went etc
11:18:51 Host_Housepoet had to wait until 9 am today to get a hold of tech support
11:19:01 mwalton yikes!
11:19:38 Host_Housepoet So what's up with the nurse out?
11:20:41 mwalton actually it was a modified nurse in against a local craft store that had kicked a woman out..went well..store seemed receptive..and we're waiting for a response we asked for after presenting the management with a letter and flyers about the nursing law for
11:20:44 mwalton their employees
11:21:48 mwalton what was cool was even though our numbers were small we had the full range of nursing moms..even some extended nursers with toddlers..so it went well
11:22:10 Host_Housepoet wow
11:22:13 Host_Housepoet that's really awesome
11:22:22 Host_Housepoet will you write up a full story so we can have it on BFIN
11:22:23 mwalton and my kidlet was much more cooperative than usual..sleeping until right before we went in and then being ravenous when it was time to go
11:22:33 Host_Housepoet haha
11:22:57 mwalton guess he's a born protester ;)  (he did well at a different ralley here on monday too)
11:23:35 mummoth lol my dd would be grat at a nurse in--- shes going through a 'yummy noises' phase
11:24:27 mwalton and sure i'll write something up..it may take me a couple days..just got back from my parents place in oregon (left 2 days after the nurse in) and i'm way behind on just about everything
11:25:02 Host_Housepoet that's fine
11:25:05 Host_Housepoet we're all behind schedule here
11:25:12 Host_Housepoet I start school full time on monday again
11:25:23 mwalton good for you!  good luck on the semester
11:25:28 Host_Housepoet so I will actually be more into this again, since I will be on a schedule
11:25:30 Host_Housepoet aww thank you
11:25:32 buzzy_bee Good luck !
11:25:36 Host_Housepoet I want to keep my 4.0 going right now
11:25:40 buzzy_bee And hi all
11:25:49 Host_Housepoet I passed a class with an A this summer that I've tried 6 times to pass and never have
11:25:54 Host_Housepoet so I think Im on the right track"
11:25:56 Host_Housepoet Hello Bee
11:25:56 mummoth hi buzzy!
11:26:03 mwalton well 6th times the charm i guess ;)
11:26:19 buzzy_bee I was supposed to be writing a paper this afternoon
11:26:24 buzzy_bee L's first afternoon at nursery
11:26:36 buzzy_bee But I was beside myself he wasn't any good and jumpy so didn't get any work done
11:26:54 mwalton whereas he was probably really calm right?
11:27:06 buzzy_bee Well, apparently he was grumpy but not crying
11:27:18 buzzy_bee Had he cried they'd have phoned
11:27:21 buzzy_bee And he refused his EBM
11:27:33 buzzy_bee But was not dive bombing my chest when I picked him up so was clearly not that hungry
11:28:25 buzzy_bee Then of course he actually had a little EBM from *me* when we got home
11:28:31 buzzy_bee So who knows what was up there
11:30:17 Janice hello all is this the breastfeedingisnormal wednesday chat?
11:30:42 Mod_ariana yes
11:30:54 Janice pretty queit today?
11:31:03 Host_Housepoet We're a tad behind schedule today since one of our hosts had computer issues last night
11:31:08 Host_Housepoet she just got them fixed this morning
11:31:12 Host_Housepoet that would be me :)
11:31:36 Janice oh, it figures.  Just when I'm finally able to take part!
11:31:58 Host_Housepoet heh. Yes I rearranged our office and screwed up the router
11:32:02 Host_Housepoet I just got it fixed this morning
11:32:22 Host_Housepoet Well one topic is the site
11:32:24 Janice don't scare me - my email was screwed up for 2 weeks, I thought I had a virus
11:32:49 Host_Housepoet still in production, as you all know, we don't want to announce that it is up prematurely
11:32:49 Janice I just glanced at the site.
11:32:53 Host_Housepoet oh no
11:32:58 Host_Housepoet that is scary
11:33:08 Host_Housepoet we still have a little ways to go
11:33:16 Janice scary yes i must be more regular on my backups
11:33:38 Host_Housepoet but one fun thing that is happening is that we are in talks with a nursing bra mfgr in Brazil who makes custom nursing bras and tanks
11:33:55 Host_Housepoet she is really interested in making a BFIN colored bra to show suuport for the site
11:33:56 Janice I just wanted to say that I'm back from all my holidays, and trying to figure out what I can/will do in the next year.
11:33:59 Host_Housepoet we're talking about tanks as well too
11:34:10 Host_Housepoet oh that's wonderful Janice
11:34:15 Host_Housepoet hope you had a great holiday
11:34:49 mwalton sounds great (re:clothing) good way to make a little money and to get the word out
11:35:05 Host_Housepoet exactly
11:35:07 Janice I have to present to a Federal Gov't Commission on Labour Standards in Sept, then I can focus on other things.
11:35:15 Host_Housepoet she is going to put our flyers in all her orders
11:35:24 Host_Housepoet I just have to actually create the flyers
11:35:25 mwalton fantastic!
11:35:42 Host_Housepoet the great thing about this site is that they sell regular bras, in your 'normal' sizes
11:35:44 Mod_ariana Well you're great at making flyers so that should work well.  :)
11:35:50 Janice We will be asking to new Labour Standards to support bfing for working moms (this is Canada, though - sorry you Americans!)
11:35:52 Host_Housepoet but they also will work with anyone to make a custom size bra
11:35:58 Host_Housepoet and it's BEAUTIFUL work too
11:36:09 mwalton janice:not fair you guys always get better laws than us first ;)
11:36:16 Host_Housepoet oh that's great
11:36:22 buzzy_bee Janice have you looked at the UK provisions by way of contrast?
11:36:32 Janice Yes, we can lead the way and show you guys what can be done!
11:37:05 buzzy_bee BF is covered by Health & Safety at Work legislation here
11:37:12 buzzy_bee From the point of view of preventing mastitis
11:37:15 Host_Housepoet Yes, one of our goals is to have laws in every state in the US within the next ten years
11:37:27 Janice I have a chart that shows provisions in various countries around the world, including UK, US, & Europe.  But I need to look at more specifics
11:37:52 buzzy_bee Employers must provide a secure clean room with seating and a fridge for pumping
11:38:02 buzzy_bee (i.e. not a toilet)
11:38:07 buzzy_bee paid pumping breaks
11:38:13 buzzy_bee for as long as the mother is breastfeeding
11:38:13 Host_Housepoet we're really woroking on showing mothers how to speak with their ballots by ellecting officals that will push for more BFing legistaltion
11:38:15 Janice buzzy bee you arein the UK?
11:38:16 mummoth Janice have you filled out that public health goals for cananda survey? http://www.healthycanadians.ca/
11:38:18 buzzy_bee Yup
11:38:29 Host_Housepoet wow for as long as a mother is bfing?
11:38:34 buzzy_bee Just sorting out with my employer somewhere for me to use
11:38:41 Host_Housepoet that is a wonderful way to put it...much better then the whole 'infant' wording
11:38:52 buzzy_bee (L will be 11 months when I return to work as I took the full year's Maternity leave
11:39:04 buzzy_bee Which is of course another way of encouraging breastfeeding that we have here and they do in Canada
11:39:07 Janice No I haven't done the survey myself - alot of what I do is pass on information to others, to publicize and motivate other to do it
11:39:44 buzzy_bee In practice they try to get out of it
11:40:05 buzzy_bee right now they are proposing the Conservative Party's Group Room for me to use
11:40:19 buzzy_bee thank you but I do not want the leader of the Council walking in on me
11:40:29 Mod_ariana Where do you work?
11:40:41 buzzy_bee shire district council
11:40:51 Janice I will do my actual brainstorning for my submission on Friday -so I will make a note to look up the UK standards, as I can quote examples.
11:41:12 buzzy_bee legiskative frame work is similar enough in Canada to be useful
11:41:14 Janice buzzy bee - would there be any online links to this standards you could send me?
11:41:44 buzzy_bee e-mail me at megan@farr-montgomery.com and I will try and get some btonight
11:41:53 buzzy_bee fractious bub on knee right now
11:42:41 buzzy_bee tired boy
11:42:48 Janice ok I will email you now so you have my address
11:43:34 Host_Housepoet hopefully your email is working! ;)
11:43:45 Webmama_Tina good morning mamas!
11:44:07 Janice email sent
11:46:28 mummoth morning tina
11:46:45 ourwiefamily sorry to just pop in ... I have a breastfeeding question but not sure what the topic is today or if you are in the middle of something?
11:46:55 Janice Noel, is the site actually up for the public - ie are you publicizing the site already?
11:46:57 mwalton well my little guy is getting restless..take care all and I'll try to get that written  up and sent in as quickly as possible..thanks for all of you hard work on the site!
11:47:20 Host_Housepoet NO
11:47:28 Host_Housepoet just the women that we have on our mailing list
11:47:38 Host_Housepoet we haven't done our promotional assault yet
11:47:42 Host_Housepoet since we're not complete
11:48:07 Janice oh good, I haven't spent alot of time on the site, but it is so obviously in draft form, it wouldn't look good.
11:49:01 Host_Housepoet Yah, it's not even as close to as done as the nurseout site was
11:49:05 Janice Are you trying to make real life" groups too, or just the website?"
11:49:17 Host_Housepoet what do mean real life groups?
11:49:43 Host_Housepoet like trying to have women come together?
11:49:45 mummoth like local chapters that meet every month?
11:49:55 Janice well, many organizations have real physical groups that meet, and then now they make websites.
11:50:12 Host_Housepoet All of our women are spread out in the US
11:50:22 Janice But these days, it seems that organizations form on the internet, and then try to get together in real life
11:50:31 Mod_ariana And outside the US
11:50:42 Host_Housepoet Well my partner and I are about 150 miles from one another
11:50:48 Host_Housepoet but we speak on the phone daily
11:50:52 Host_Housepoet and through AIM
11:51:07 Host_Housepoet I don't know if we will ever get together for planning, but we do well over the phone and through email
11:51:27 Mod_ariana I think the vision for the site is for it to be a website
11:51:31 Janice I guess I was thinking of a membership" - the minions, the workforce ---- not just the organisers"
11:51:37 Host_Housepoet Anyway, our goal is to have the site up and ready to go soon. We're not rushing it because we don't want to have an incomplete site up
11:51:57 Host_Housepoet we do have a lot of people helping with the site
11:51:58 Janice as you can see, my visions are BIG!
11:52:16 Host_Housepoet we have the same visions as well
11:52:20 Host_Housepoet we have had them for a long time now
11:52:27 Mod_ariana Janice do you have a site?
11:52:30 Janice I'd like to see a real political, advocacy group
11:52:52 Host_Housepoet the problem we've found working with others is that we all have families and we get out time taken away from us by thoes familes
11:52:56 Host_Housepoet so we work at our own pace.
11:52:56 Janice no, I have no site, I probably should have had one for years now
11:53:09 Host_Housepoet we get done what we can get done, when we can get it done.
11:53:12 mummoth Janice is there a group in Canada now whose main goal is to make formula a prescription?
11:53:31 ourwiefamily would anyone mind a quick breastfeeding question?
11:53:41 Mod_ariana ourwiefamily Yes!
11:53:45 ourwiefamily thank you!
11:53:48 Host_Housepoet Through the site we have links to votesmart.org
11:54:05 Janice I absolutely agree with putting families first, and do what you can do, when you can.  And do what you love.
11:54:15 ourwiefamily I'm nursing my 6th baby and was a LLLL for about 4 years, so I do know lots about breastfeeding but seems I always have things come up that I've forgotten how to deal w/!
11:54:28 Host_Housepoet it's a tough choice sometimes, but we have to take care of family first, and schooling
11:54:29 Host_Housepoet things like that
11:54:34 ourwiefamily This time it is toddler gymnastics ... baby is 10mo
11:54:52 Janice Re; formula a prescription.  I don't know of any group in Canada that is doing that.  Tell me more?
11:54:53 Host_Housepoet Im in school, and trying to do this....and when you talk about minions, yes, we've had people workign for us, but they to have fmailies and other obligations as well.
11:54:53 ourwiefamily she has a terrible latch lately (teething I think) and is doing a lot of very tense pulling while nursing
11:54:58 Mod_ariana ourwiefamily I pretty much don't allow toddler gymnastics
11:55:10 ourwiefamily well ... I don't allow" it either.  But she is doing it anyway!"
11:55:11 Mod_ariana I know a lot of people do, but I find it isn't really helpful when nursing
11:55:21 Mod_ariana haha
11:55:30 Mod_ariana I think for me when we had latch issues
11:55:35 Mod_ariana I would just go back to the basics
11:55:40 mummoth janice, that is just something that would be interesting to me if there was a group working on it
11:55:42 Mod_ariana Good positioning,
11:55:52 Mod_ariana ear, shoulder and hip in line
11:55:56 ourwiefamily She is very tense while nursing ... has a tight latch (teeth digging in) and then is pulling back very hard so there is always tension on the breast.  Then she starts scooting off me until her body weight unlatches her (OUCH)
11:55:58 Mod_ariana waiting for a wide open mouth, etc.
11:56:15 ourwiefamily She also moves a *lot* when nursing
11:56:35 Mod_ariana http://www.livejournal.com/community/boob_nazis/1184075.html
11:56:40 ourwiefamily I redirect her constantly ... I unlatch and relatch but she doesn't change what she is doing.  I take breaks from it and then let her come back to it later.
11:56:45 Mod_ariana This is a great essay on dealing with biting
11:56:46 Host_Housepoet that was one of our OG goals to have formula by script, but we've decieded that legislation is much more important now
11:57:29 ourwiefamily She also likes to leverage off whatever she can w/ her legs (so the chair, the person sitting next to me, the back of the couch).  If I grab her leg and hold it out, she pushes against my hand.
11:57:30 Mod_ariana ourwiefamily maybe some teething tablets or something would allow her to feel ok enought to nurse
11:57:33 Host_Housepoet but all these goals are ones that can come with time
11:57:47 mummoth ourwie, I sometimes give my daughter something interesting to hold onto/look at while she nurses when she gets squirmy (ihave a few resin ornaments I dont normaly let her touch that do the trick) but shes 14 months
11:57:55 Janice Noel, you did say that you have a big email sign-up list right?
11:58:01 ourwiefamily i will read the essay on biting ... maybe it will have some good clues.  I feel so frustrated because all the things I know to do aren't working!
11:58:17 Janice lots of interested persons?
11:58:49 Host_Housepoet that is  correct
11:58:58 Host_Housepoet our mailing list reaches over 2000 people
11:59:06 ourwiefamily wow ... lots of info in that article looks like.  Gives me a great place to start.  THANK YOU
11:59:24 Janice I think of those as the members" - they are what need to be reached and activated."
11:59:47 Host_Housepoet right
12:00:03 Host_Housepoet when we see something that needs to be brought to their attention we send it to the list for now.
12:00:20 Host_Housepoet we don't have our complete site set up with all breaking news stories as of yet, that is still in the works
12:00:36 Janice yes.  I'd like to see what I do in Canada with my list, recreated in the US
12:00:38 Host_Housepoet again, everyone that is working with and for us is volenteering their time
12:00:39 serendipitylove hello ladies :)
12:00:51 Host_Housepoet hey you! :)
12:00:55 Mod_ariana serendipitylove hi!
12:00:59 serendipitylove hi!
12:01:05 serendipitylove I finally made it to one
12:01:12 Host_Housepoet glad to have you here
12:01:16 serendipitylove thanks darlin'
12:01:19 Host_Housepoet we're just talking about the site and what is coming next
12:01:36 serendipitylove Oh okay, what have I missed?
12:01:46 Mod_ariana haha
12:01:48 Host_Housepoet the chat transcripts will be up on Sunday! :)
12:01:55 serendipitylove lol must have been a lot then
12:02:00 Mod_ariana well the chat is supposed to be over by 10am
12:02:11 serendipitylove lovely so I didn't make it
12:02:12 Host_Housepoet yes so I do have to offically end the chat at this time
12:02:12 serendipitylove lol
12:02:14 Host_Housepoet next time
12:02:22 Host_Housepoet it was my fault I didn't put up the noitce earlier
12:02:27 Host_Housepoet computer issues today
12:02:40 serendipitylove I wouldn't have seen it anyway the comp was broken til a few minutes ago
12:02:55 Host_Housepoet Janice if you'd like to email us to get more information or offer some help with the site, you can contact us at info@breastfeedingisnormal.org
12:03:16 Host_Housepoet OFFICIAL END OF THE BREASTFEEDINGISNORMAL.ORG CHAT! THIS CHAT IS TRANSCRIPTED AND POSTED ON THE SUNDAY FOLLOWING THIS CHAT...TO FIND THE TRANSCRIPTS AFTER THEY ARE POSTED, PLEASE CLICK ON TRANSCRIPTS" IN THE NAVIGATION BAR. ALSO, PLEASE JOIN THE MOMMYCHATS EGROUP AT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mommychats TO RECEIVE NOTICES ABOUT TRANSCRIPTS BEING POSTED, UPCOMING CHAT REMINDERS AND ANY OTHER MOMMY CHATS NEWS. :)"
12:03:39 Host_Housepoet Thank you all for coming, we'll see you next week, same time same place!

 

 

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