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Breastfeeding Is Normal presents: A Breastfeeding Advocacy Chat #14
9/28/05

13 mamas in attendance

10:56:58 Host_Housepoet I got this email this morning.
10:57:10 Host_Housepoet Hello, I was just looking at your t-shirts and wanted to ask if you know anyone in the San Diego area, A friend of mine went to a restaurant there (PF Chang's ) for lunch with her 6 month old baby and the rest of her work group for northern CA, last week. Party of 11 all together. she was breastfeeding her baby in the front of the restaurant waiting for their table when the manager came up to her and asked if she needed a towel, She said no thank-you, doing fine, Not realizing what she was talking about, Then was asked if she would like to go sit their back room, still not knowing, she said no, I'm fine here thank-you.then the manager said no your not understanding, our policy is no breastfeeding , it could make other people uncomfortable.....At that point the whole group decided they would not eat there and told her to forget the table for 11 and went to spend their money across the street @ the chees

 ecake factory.  When this all happened i was there in Tucson visiting my family. I saw you are also located in Tucson. Do you have any connections or know anyone that might be able to do something in San Diego? Thank-you for your time and i will be sure to get a couple of your shirts! i myself being a breastfeeding mom currently! Thank-You,
10:57:39 kristenandmadeleine omg, my kids hair smells awful
10:57:50 kristenandmadeleine but i cant stop smelling it
10:58:36 mizdrea wow
10:58:40 mizdrea that's unbelieveable
10:58:41 Host_Housepoet I know right
10:58:45 Host_Housepoet I can't believe it either
10:59:16 Host_Housepoet I mean, it's a complete violation of the california law
10:59:20 kristenandmadeleine ye
10:59:23 kristenandmadeleine yep
10:59:28 Host_Housepoet that isn't private property , they had a right to be there
10:59:33 holdensmomma is that their company policy or just that location?
11:00:50 kristenandmadeleine its federal law though.
11:00:53 Host_Housepoet that's something we would have to look into
11:00:58 Hisrisingstar that stinks
11:01:06 Hisrisingstar i went through something very similar unfortunately
11:01:23 holdensmomma im tempted to go eat at ours locally to see what happens
11:02:03 Host_Housepoet Cal ALS 59; 1997 Cal AB 157; Stats 1997 ch 59Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a mother may breastfeed her child in any location, public or private, except the private home or residence of another, where the mother and child are authorized to be present.Cal Code Civ. Proc. § 210.5
11:02:21 Host_Housepoet well it's against the law.
11:02:22 mizdrea i wonder what the law is up here
11:02:30 Host_Housepoet you're in Canada right?
11:02:32 mizdrea where would i find out?
11:02:33 Host_Housepoet that I'm not sure of
11:02:33 mizdrea yeah
11:02:36 mizdrea calgary
11:02:46 Host_Housepoet you can check out the LLL site and see what if any laws are there to protect you
11:02:57 Host_Housepoet def. check it out, and make a copy of the law and keep it with you at all times
11:03:07 mizdrea yeah
11:03:09 holdensmomma did she complain?
11:03:12 mizdrea i'll ask at the next meeting
11:03:13 Host_Housepoet Once, we get our letterhead, we'll be sending letters with the copy of the law to places like this
11:03:22 Host_Housepoet this is a big thing, and a clear violation
11:03:24 mwalton excellent idea
11:03:28 Host_Housepoet too bad we're not in Hawaii
11:03:37 Host_Housepoet you can SUE someone for violating your rights like this!
11:04:02 mwalton way to go Hawaii!
11:04:52 mwalton i think that's part of the problem in places like utah where the law is there, but if businesses break it there are no seeming consequences for them
11:05:35 Hisrisingstar In texas I thought I was protected, but the law states anywhere I am authorized to be" which means businesses can kick me out for breastfeeding and say I am not authorized to be there"
11:05:54 Host_Housepoet but in reality they can't
11:06:12 Host_Housepoet and they can't have a 'policy' stating that a women breastfeeding her child isn't welcome in the store
11:06:19 Host_Housepoet it's not like no shoes no shirt no service thing
11:06:53 Host_Housepoet see this is why breastfeedingisnormal.org is here, we're going to have this database where people can look up buinesses that violate the rights of nursing mothers
11:06:58 mummoth you'd have to take action after the fact though..
11:07:28 Host_Housepoet have you read What to do when confronted about breastfeeding in public""
11:07:33 Host_Housepoet http://breastfeedingisnormal.org/BreastfeedingConfrontation
11:07:43 Hisrisingstar they tried to remove me for breastfeeding on base! they said I am not allowed to family functions unless i bring a cover!""
11:07:43 Host_Housepoet it's a great little article wrtten by a LLL leader
11:08:08 Host_Housepoet well you're completely protected to do so there.
11:08:10 Host_Housepoet they can't stop you
11:08:25 Host_Housepoet and honestly if they did anything to your husband bc you were bfing, then that would be a whole bunch of hoohaw
11:08:25 kristenandmadeleine they are just trying to intimidate you
11:08:33 Host_Housepoet aren't they supposed to be 'protecting' the country.
11:08:45 Host_Housepoet and not from rabid accidendtal boob flashes either ;)
11:08:55 kristenandmadeleine tell the,m to go find a terorist to annoy
11:09:13 janaya hi mamas :)
11:09:18 kristenandmadeleine hi!
11:09:45 mwalton hi
11:10:04 Hisrisingstar lol
11:10:18 Hisrisingstar i raised hell for it
11:10:18 Host_Housepoet HEY JANAYA
11:10:43 Hisrisingstar so now I am allowed to nurse with or without a cover at any family function but discretion is strongly advised""
11:11:02 mummoth I havent ben bothered by anyone in public, but Im sure if someone did come up, DD would pop off to give them a WTF is your problem?" look"
11:11:05 mwalton good for you!
11:11:22 Host_Housepoet you should tell them that if someone is staring hard enough that the WILL SEE BOOB.
11:11:23 janaya i read somewhere that your husband can get in trouble for that...?
11:11:29 mummoth .+
11:11:31 janaya the military is jacked
11:11:38 Host_Housepoet but then, THEY should be the ones punished or watch after for being perverts
11:11:51 mummoth .0soorry.... DD is kicking the keyboaerd
11:12:16 mwalton s'ok..she just wanted to voice her indignation too ;)
11:12:16 Host_Housepoet I wouldn't say that janaya
11:12:23 Host_Housepoet there are some good men and women serving
11:12:31 mummoth lol
11:12:31 janaya oh of course!  i'm saying,
11:12:32 Host_Housepoet its the red tape and higher ups that make things bad
11:12:54 janaya If it's the case that someone serving can get in trouble for their wife nursing in public, that is jacked.""
11:13:06 janaya i should have been more specific ;)
11:13:39 mwalton heh yeah if my dh could get into trouble for the things I do..man would he be in trouble a LOT of the time ;)
11:13:52 janaya exactly my point.  :P
11:13:54 mwalton although he does get a lot of dirty looks and whispers from people at church..but i'm pretty used to that
11:14:12 mwalton and so is he by now :)
11:14:28 mummoth lol DH was nervous the first few times he was with me when I NIP
11:14:35 janaya do people with formula bottles get dirty looks and whispers?
11:14:54 rainingkisses they do from me!
11:14:57 rainingkisses ;)
11:15:02 Hisrisingstar haha from me too
11:15:14 mwalton no..but since i've ignored it..i've noticed a bunch more women nursing at church..and not just in the mother's lounge..which is great
11:15:16 janaya my husband got nervous for a little while after that ken schram/baba wawa thing, but he relaxed again pretty quick
11:15:24 Hisrisingstar my husband has to stop me from going up to them and bitching them out
11:15:24 janaya he makes a great boob nazi
11:15:24 Hisrisingstar lol
11:15:34 rainingkisses my husband is a great boob nazi
11:16:02 therealocelot my husband is more of one than I am
11:16:03 kristenandmadeleine my boyfriend too
11:16:07 rainingkisses we were in Target the other day and some woman commented on how bright and alert Annie was in the sling
11:16:12 mummoth mine is very pro-nursing, ut hed never say anything about it to anyone
11:16:21 rainingkisses He said he wanted to yell at her, That's because she's BREASTFED!!""
11:16:37 rainingkisses well, I think my husband is more vocal about it since his sister gave up on bfing.
11:16:46 rainingkisses He really sees the need for husbandly support
11:17:08 mwalton yeah my SIL tried" for 3 days with her first..then didn't even attempt with the other two..."
11:17:09 Hisrisingstar lol, my husband told his soldier who had to take his baby to the doctor for a really bad fever and problems vomiting, he said thats cause hes formula fed!""
11:17:11 kristenandmadeleine my boyfriend loves me nursing
11:17:19 mizdrea i remember in june at the year end thing at the elementary school where i work, the mom of one of my kids was there with her 3 weeks old son.  she left the gym to go nurse but didn't want to miss the concert so she tried to give him his bottle with formula
11:17:24 rainingkisses we
11:17:28 mummoth lol one morning I was waiting infront of the grocery store for it to open & chatting with this lady DS said Booby!" and she said "Awww! He remembers it!" and I said "Yeah, from this morning""
11:17:29 mizdrea she said
11:17:39 mizdrea but he won't take it because he hates it
11:17:43 therealocelot yeah, my husband was ff and has some serious health problems that are very likely relatedm, which probably explains a lot
11:18:07 rainingkisses I gave my SIL all the support I could--I bought her books, pumps, nursing bras
11:18:21 mwalton mummoth-that's priceless..hope you wrote it down in like a journal or something
11:18:24 rainingkisses but she gave up because she couldn't get anything done" grrr"
11:18:24 mummoth