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10:56:58 |
Host_Housepoet |
I got this email this morning. |
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10:57:10 |
Host_Housepoet |
Hello, I was just looking at your t-shirts and wanted to
ask if you know anyone in the San Diego area, A friend
of mine went to a restaurant there (PF Chang's ) for
lunch with her 6 month old baby and the rest of her work
group for northern CA, last week. Party of 11 all
together. she was breastfeeding her baby in the front of
the restaurant waiting for their table when the manager
came up to her and asked if she needed a towel, She said
no thank-you, doing fine, Not realizing what she was
talking about, Then was asked if she would like to go
sit their back room, still not knowing, she said no, I'm
fine here thank-you.then the manager said no your not
understanding, our policy is no breastfeeding , it could
make other people uncomfortable.....At that point the
whole group decided they would not eat there and told
her to forget the table for 11 and went to spend their
money across the street @ the chees
ecake factory. When this all happened i was there in
Tucson visiting my family. I saw you are also located in
Tucson. Do you have any connections or know anyone that
might be able to do something in San Diego? Thank-you
for your time and i will be sure to get a couple of your
shirts! i myself being a breastfeeding mom currently!
Thank-You, |
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10:57:39 |
kristenandmadeleine |
omg, my kids hair smells awful |
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10:57:50 |
kristenandmadeleine |
but i cant stop smelling it |
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10:58:36 |
mizdrea |
wow |
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10:58:40 |
mizdrea |
that's unbelieveable |
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10:58:41 |
Host_Housepoet |
I know right |
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10:58:45 |
Host_Housepoet |
I can't believe it either |
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10:59:16 |
Host_Housepoet |
I mean, it's a complete violation of the california law |
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10:59:20 |
kristenandmadeleine |
ye |
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10:59:23 |
kristenandmadeleine |
yep |
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10:59:28 |
Host_Housepoet |
that isn't private property , they had a right to be
there |
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10:59:33 |
holdensmomma |
is that their company policy or just that location? |
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11:00:50 |
kristenandmadeleine |
its federal law though. |
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11:00:53 |
Host_Housepoet |
that's something we would have to look into |
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11:00:58 |
Hisrisingstar |
that stinks |
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11:01:06 |
Hisrisingstar |
i went through something very similar unfortunately |
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11:01:23 |
holdensmomma |
im tempted to go eat at ours locally to see what happens |
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11:02:03 |
Host_Housepoet |
Cal ALS 59; 1997 Cal AB 157; Stats 1997 ch
59Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a mother
may breastfeed her child in any location, public or
private, except the private home or residence of
another, where the mother and child are authorized to be
present.Cal Code Civ. Proc. § 210.5 |
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11:02:21 |
Host_Housepoet |
well it's against the law. |
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11:02:22 |
mizdrea |
i wonder what the law is up here |
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11:02:30 |
Host_Housepoet |
you're in Canada right? |
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11:02:32 |
mizdrea |
where would i find out? |
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11:02:33 |
Host_Housepoet |
that I'm not sure of |
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11:02:33 |
mizdrea |
yeah |
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11:02:36 |
mizdrea |
calgary |
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11:02:46 |
Host_Housepoet |
you can check out the LLL site and see what if any laws
are there to protect you |
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11:02:57 |
Host_Housepoet |
def. check it out, and make a copy of the law and keep
it with you at all times |
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11:03:07 |
mizdrea |
yeah |
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11:03:09 |
holdensmomma |
did she complain? |
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11:03:12 |
mizdrea |
i'll ask at the next meeting |
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11:03:13 |
Host_Housepoet |
Once, we get our letterhead, we'll be sending letters
with the copy of the law to places like this |
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11:03:22 |
Host_Housepoet |
this is a big thing, and a clear violation |
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11:03:24 |
mwalton |
excellent idea |
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11:03:28 |
Host_Housepoet |
too bad we're not in Hawaii |
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11:03:37 |
Host_Housepoet |
you can SUE someone for violating your rights like this! |
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11:04:02 |
mwalton |
way to go Hawaii! |
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11:04:52 |
mwalton |
i think that's part of the problem in places like utah
where the law is there, but if businesses break it there
are no seeming consequences for them |
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11:05:35 |
Hisrisingstar |
In texas I thought I was protected, but the law states
anywhere I am authorized to be" which means businesses
can kick me out for breastfeeding and say I am not
authorized to be there" |
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11:05:54 |
Host_Housepoet |
but in reality they can't |
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11:06:12 |
Host_Housepoet |
and they can't have a 'policy' stating that a women
breastfeeding her child isn't welcome in the store |
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11:06:19 |
Host_Housepoet |
it's not like no shoes no shirt no service thing |
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11:06:53 |
Host_Housepoet |
see this is why breastfeedingisnormal.org is here, we're
going to have this database where people can look up
buinesses that violate the rights of nursing mothers |
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11:06:58 |
mummoth |
you'd have to take action after the fact though.. |
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11:07:28 |
Host_Housepoet |
have you read What to do when confronted about
breastfeeding in public"" |
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11:07:33 |
Host_Housepoet |
http://breastfeedingisnormal.org/BreastfeedingConfrontation |
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11:07:43 |
Hisrisingstar |
they tried to remove me for breastfeeding on base! they
said I am not allowed to family functions unless i bring
a cover!"" |
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11:07:43 |
Host_Housepoet |
it's a great little article wrtten by a LLL leader |
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11:08:08 |
Host_Housepoet |
well you're completely protected to do so there. |
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11:08:10 |
Host_Housepoet |
they can't stop you |
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11:08:25 |
Host_Housepoet |
and honestly if they did anything to your husband bc you
were bfing, then that would be a whole bunch of hoohaw |
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11:08:25 |
kristenandmadeleine |
they are just trying to intimidate you |
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11:08:33 |
Host_Housepoet |
aren't they supposed to be 'protecting' the country. |
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11:08:45 |
Host_Housepoet |
and not from rabid accidendtal boob flashes either ;) |
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11:08:55 |
kristenandmadeleine |
tell the,m to go find a terorist to annoy |
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11:09:13 |
janaya |
hi mamas :) |
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11:09:18 |
kristenandmadeleine |
hi! |
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11:09:45 |
mwalton |
hi |
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11:10:04 |
Hisrisingstar |
lol |
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11:10:18 |
Hisrisingstar |
i raised hell for it |
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11:10:18 |
Host_Housepoet |
HEY JANAYA |
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11:10:43 |
Hisrisingstar |
so now I am allowed to nurse with or without a cover at
any family function but discretion is strongly advised"" |
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11:11:02 |
mummoth |
I havent ben bothered by anyone in public, but Im sure
if someone did come up, DD would pop off to give them a
WTF is your problem?" look" |
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11:11:05 |
mwalton |
good for you! |
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11:11:22 |
Host_Housepoet |
you should tell them that if someone is staring hard
enough that the WILL SEE BOOB. |
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11:11:23 |
janaya |
i read somewhere that your husband can get in trouble
for that...? |
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11:11:29 |
mummoth |
.+ |
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11:11:31 |
janaya |
the military is jacked |
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11:11:38 |
Host_Housepoet |
but then, THEY should be the ones punished or watch
after for being perverts |
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11:11:51 |
mummoth |
.0soorry.... DD is kicking the keyboaerd |
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11:12:16 |
mwalton |
s'ok..she just wanted to voice her indignation too ;) |
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11:12:16 |
Host_Housepoet |
I wouldn't say that janaya |
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11:12:23 |
Host_Housepoet |
there are some good men and women serving |
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11:12:31 |
mummoth |
lol |
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11:12:31 |
janaya |
oh of course! i'm saying, |
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11:12:32 |
Host_Housepoet |
its the red tape and higher ups that make things bad |
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11:12:54 |
janaya |
If it's the case that someone serving can get in trouble
for their wife nursing in public, that is jacked."" |
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11:13:06 |
janaya |
i should have been more specific ;) |
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11:13:39 |
mwalton |
heh yeah if my dh could get into trouble for the things
I do..man would he be in trouble a LOT of the time ;) |
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11:13:52 |
janaya |
exactly my point. :P |
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11:13:54 |
mwalton |
although he does get a lot of dirty looks and whispers
from people at church..but i'm pretty used to that |
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11:14:12 |
mwalton |
and so is he by now :) |
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11:14:28 |
mummoth |
lol DH was nervous the first few times he was with me
when I NIP |
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11:14:35 |
janaya |
do people with formula bottles get dirty looks and
whispers? |
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11:14:54 |
rainingkisses |
they do from me! |
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11:14:57 |
rainingkisses |
;) |
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11:15:02 |
Hisrisingstar |
haha from me too |
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11:15:14 |
mwalton |
no..but since i've ignored it..i've noticed a bunch more
women nursing at church..and not just in the mother's
lounge..which is great |
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11:15:16 |
janaya |
my husband got nervous for a little while after that ken
schram/baba wawa thing, but he relaxed again pretty
quick |
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11:15:24 |
Hisrisingstar |
my husband has to stop me from going up to them and
bitching them out |
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11:15:24 |
janaya |
he makes a great boob nazi |
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11:15:24 |
Hisrisingstar |
lol |
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11:15:34 |
rainingkisses |
my husband is a great boob nazi |
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11:16:02 |
therealocelot |
my husband is more of one than I am |
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11:16:03 |
kristenandmadeleine |
my boyfriend too |
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11:16:07 |
rainingkisses |
we were in Target the other day and some woman commented
on how bright and alert Annie was in the sling |
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11:16:12 |
mummoth |
mine is very pro-nursing, ut hed never say anything
about it to anyone |
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11:16:21 |
rainingkisses |
He said he wanted to yell at her, That's because she's
BREASTFED!!"" |
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11:16:37 |
rainingkisses |
well, I think my husband is more vocal about it since
his sister gave up on bfing. |
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11:16:46 |
rainingkisses |
He really sees the need for husbandly support |
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11:17:08 |
mwalton |
yeah my SIL tried" for 3 days with her first..then
didn't even attempt with the other two..." |
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11:17:09 |
Hisrisingstar |
lol, my husband told his soldier who had to take his
baby to the doctor for a really bad fever and problems
vomiting, he said thats cause hes formula fed!"" |
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11:17:11 |
kristenandmadeleine |
my boyfriend loves me nursing |
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11:17:19 |
mizdrea |
i remember in june at the year end thing at the
elementary school where i work, the mom of one of my
kids was there with her 3 weeks old son. she left the
gym to go nurse but didn't want to miss the concert so
she tried to give him his bottle with formula |
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11:17:24 |
rainingkisses |
we |
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11:17:28 |
mummoth |
lol one morning I was waiting infront of the grocery
store for it to open & chatting with this lady DS said
Booby!" and she said "Awww! He remembers it!" and I said
"Yeah, from this morning"" |
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11:17:29 |
mizdrea |
she said |
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11:17:39 |
mizdrea |
but he won't take it because he hates it |
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11:17:43 |
therealocelot |
yeah, my husband was ff and has some serious health
problems that are very likely relatedm, which probably
explains a lot |
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11:18:07 |
rainingkisses |
I gave my SIL all the support I could--I bought her
books, pumps, nursing bras |
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11:18:21 |
mwalton |
mummoth-that's priceless..hope you wrote it down in like
a journal or something |
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11:18:24 |
rainingkisses |
but she gave up because she couldn't get anything done"
grrr" |
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11:18:24 |
mummoth |
my sister didnt even try |
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11:18:39 |
kristenandmadeleine |
my FIL is starting in on us about co sleeping |
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11:18:43 |
mummoth |
lol... I dont think Ill forget that one! |
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11:18:53 |
rainingkisses |
she has a lot of resentment toward the baby b/c she had
a C section due to his positioning |
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11:19:11 |
rainingkisses |
luckily no one says a word to us about co sleeping with
TWO kids :) |
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11:19:23 |
rainingkisses |
but my MIL is all up in arms because we delay
vaccinations. |
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11:19:30 |
mizdrea |
i can't wait to start breastfeeding, i remember at my
first dr's appointment my doctor asked me if i had
thought about breastfeeding at all |
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11:19:33 |
kristenandmadeleine |
well andres made an off hand remark about it |
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11:20:00 |
mwalton |
my ped freaked me out yesterday..i love her..up to now
she has been wonderful very pro bf..anticirc etc...and
then all of the sudden yesterday she starts in on the
time to start rice cereal" WTF? (Connor is 4 months) so
I tried to talk about the AAP guid" |
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11:20:11 |
mwalton |
eline and it turned into a contest of wills..I won of
course |
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11:20:12 |
janaya |
rainingkisses - sounds like she might have PPD. |
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11:20:21 |
janaya |
unexpected c-sections can cause that, i've read |
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11:20:38 |
kristenandmadeleine |
mine did bad janaya |
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11:20:45 |
rainingkisses |
I've talked to MIL about it (SIL refuses to talk to me,
I think because she thinks she's failing in my eyes) and
she said she's upbeat most of the time |
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11:20:49 |
Xavier |
hey all |
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11:20:52 |
Xavier |
Sorry I'm late |
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11:20:54 |
rainingkisses |
excited about doing weight watchers, etc |
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11:20:58 |
kgkast |
that's me, unexpected C because of position, trouble
with nursing, sever PPD...but that was almost 5 years
ago now |
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11:21:02 |
rainingkisses |
but yeah, I think she might be having PPD |
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11:21:13 |
rainingkisses |
she has NO bfing issues, though, not even nipple pain |
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11:21:15 |
therealocelot |
I was looking through some WIC literature the other day,
and they were recommending solids from 4 months |
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11:21:18 |
kristenandmadeleine |
my placenta tore away |
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11:21:18 |
rainingkisses |
hi Xavier |
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11:21:20 |
janaya |
resenting the baby is a flag IMO |
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11:21:23 |
Host_Housepoet |
Hey Carrie |
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11:21:24 |
rainingkisses |
yeah |
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11:21:28 |
rainingkisses |
I think so too janaya |
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11:21:50 |
janaya |
i have a WIC nurse come to my home, she said they've
changed their stance to 8 months! |
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11:21:55 |
Host_Housepoet |
WIC probably hasn't updated their pamplets yet |
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11:22:00 |
Xavier |
Cant' stay long, we're hanging at Starbucks, saw the LJ
post about the chat so thought I'd pop in for a few |
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11:22:04 |
therealocelot |
yeah, I didn't look at the date on it |
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11:22:10 |
Host_Housepoet |
I mean that costs money to have updated info you know
and our govt isn't really wanted to spend more |
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11:22:13 |
janaya |
exactly, that kind of stuff takes a while. |
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11:22:13 |
rainingkisses |
she pushed for three hours but her baby had his arm up
by his face and wouldn't descend...of course she's a
nurse and got an epidural at 3 cm sooooo.. |
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11:22:15 |
mwalton |
xavier:glad you did! |
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11:22:22 |
kristenandmadeleine |
xavier, that was me in starbucks! |
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11:22:25 |
Host_Housepoet |
shoot they already spend 600+ million a year on formula
for the WIC program |
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11:22:25 |
rainingkisses |
oh janaya...I'm so happy to hear about the CPS thing |
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11:22:36 |
janaya |
oh man, you have no idea the relief! |
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11:22:38 |
rainingkisses |
I commented but I wanted to say it again |
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11:22:55 |
rainingkisses |
now you just have to tell me where that doctor is so I
may keeel her. |
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11:22:56 |
janaya |
my home health nurse was here yesterday and called to
find out the news - tears of relief just burst through. |
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11:22:56 |
mwalton |
janaya:same here..it was like phew" I'd wondered" |
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11:22:56 |
rainingkisses |
;) |
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11:23:09 |
mizdrea |
i got asked at the maternity store i shop at if i wanted
to receive free formula samples |
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11:23:26 |
janaya |
i know that doctor thought" she was doing the right
thing" |
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11:23:51 |
Host_Housepoet |
are you serious drea? |
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11:23:52 |
janaya |
but she was so emotional and flippy floppy, and really
had a problem with me stating that I would seek a second
opinion before following her advice |
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11:23:55 |
Host_Housepoet |
that's so wrong |
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11:23:57 |
mizdrea |
i actually get asked that a lot |
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11:23:59 |
mwalton |
heh like the thought" in quotes..because to me it didn't
seem so much like thinking but more like a vendetta on
her part" |
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11:23:59 |
rainingkisses |
But yeah, 14 lbs...woooooo :) |
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11:24:01 |
Host_Housepoet |
you should print out some info about bfing for them |
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11:24:11 |
rainingkisses |
I think the same, about the vendetta thing |
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11:24:16 |
mizdrea |
if i want to sign up to receive samples after the baby
is born |
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11:24:22 |
mizdrea |
because of the expense |
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11:24:26 |
rainingkisses |
was it at Motherhood, drea? |
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11:24:36 |
janaya |
yeah, motherhood did the same to me. |
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11:24:41 |
mizdrea |
i told her i'm opting to feed for free |
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11:24:44 |
janaya |
i think they're actually required to ask. |
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11:24:44 |
rainingkisses |
lol |
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11:24:54 |
mizdrea |
i'm actually in canada |
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11:24:58 |
rainingkisses |
ah ok |
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11:25:02 |
mizdrea |
it's called baby n me |
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11:25:13 |
janaya |
along with sign up for our credit card and do cord blood
banking."" |
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11:25:20 |
mizdrea |
haha |
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11:25:23 |
mwalton |
i got them an donated them right away..i figured that
way I make them pay for all of the expenses and then
never give them any money back |
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11:25:33 |
kristenandmadeleine |
i wanted to do cord banking, but i couldnt |
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11:25:35 |
rainingkisses |
I had a girl come by and pick up something from
FreeCycle the other day...she's due Oct 8 and wants to
bf |
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11:25:48 |
rainingkisses |
I told her to keep my number and call me :) |
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11:26:02 |
janaya |
i just had an hour long phone conversation with a new
mom |
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11:26:20 |
rainingkisses |
I answered the door with the baby on the boob, my little
plug for bf advocacy |
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11:26:24 |
kristenandmadeleine |
my kid is starting to spit up more |
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11:26:42 |
mizdrea |
that's nice. the ladies at the LLL meeting i go to can't
wait until feb when i'm due, i'll be the first new mom
there in a while |
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11:26:43 |
janaya |
she's going through a lot of what i did in the
beginning. lost more than 10% (OH NOES), being
pressured to supplement, using nipple shield... |
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11:26:55 |
mizdrea |
but i have a couple friends who are actually coming with
me to the next meeting |
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11:27:25 |
janaya |
if I can knowingly help another mama through a difficult
breastfeeding beginning, i'll know that my journey has
more value. |
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11:27:26 |
rainingkisses |
well, you're the voice of experience for her janaya, I
really hope she gets through it as well as you have. |
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11:27:30 |
Host_Housepoet |
you can acutally start going now drea |
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11:27:40 |
mwalton |
janaya:good for you! |
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11:27:42 |
mizdrea |
i have been |
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11:27:47 |
Host_Housepoet |
it's really important to get a RL connection going with
bfing moms |
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11:27:59 |
janaya |
i really hope so too. it was interesting how emotional
that conversation and my thoughts afterwards were. |
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11:28:05 |
mizdrea |
i started going as soon as i found out |
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11:28:28 |
janaya |
i can see why some mentors have trouble when their
mentees don't succeed. it's a big investment. |
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11:28:31 |
rainingkisses |
one of my mentees lives an hour and change away and is
having tons of issues...I'm trying to persuade DH to go
up to see her this weekend, take her freezer food, etc |
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11:28:35 |
mizdrea |
my mom is coming with me too since she's my main support
system and she went to meeting with me when i was a baby |
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11:28:50 |
rainingkisses |
I was really let down when my SIL gave up |
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11:28:51 |
janaya |
oh rainingkisses, that's a great idea |
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11:29:06 |
rainingkisses |
I mean like I cried and everything. MIL is a boob nazi
too and she and I cried on the phone |
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11:30:01 |
rainingkisses |
yeah, she needs the support...I sent her a package, but
I'd like to do something for her in person |
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11:30:29 |
rainingkisses |
and maybe seeing me with my baby will reinforce it for
her, too |
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11:30:47 |
mwalton |
I had no idea how disappointed my mom was about my SIL
until I was having so much trouble and stuck it
through..afterwards she told me how proud she was of me
and how sad she'd been for my SIL etc.I knew my mom was
pro bf(we grew up hearing our bf stories) |
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11:31:06 |
rainingkisses |
it's wonderful that your mom is so supportive |
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11:31:29 |
rainingkisses |
my mom wasn't with my first baby, but I've turned her
into a boob nazi too :) |
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11:31:33 |
mwalton |
yeah i never would have made it without her..she was
here the first week..and wow..it made all the difference |
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11:31:44 |
rainingkisses |
my MIL was my biggest support with my first baby |
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11:32:04 |
mwalton |
between her and my adopt a mom...i was able to muddle
through :) |
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11:32:21 |
rainingkisses |
DH was in Iraq when he was born so I was really
struggling with everything, not just bfing. I really
owe her a great deal, and I'm lucky to have such a nice,
supportive MIL |
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11:32:28 |
rainingkisses |
yay mwalton :) |
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11:33:12 |
mwalton |
rainingkisses:i'm so glad you have a supportive mil that
makes all the difference doesn't it? having someone who
gets it"" |
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11:33:21 |
rainingkisses |
yeah, it really does |
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11:33:22 |
rainingkisses |
:) |
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11:33:25 |
janaya |
reading boobie_bootcamp before birth had a lot to do
with my success |
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11:33:53 |
janaya |
and apathetictoot actually, since she was posting
regularly about tongue-tie |
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11:34:01 |
janaya |
i never would have known what that was or how to treat
it. |
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11:34:04 |
mizdrea |
i think the best thing my mom said to me was sure it
gets hard sometimes but you just do it"" |
|
11:34:15 |
mwalton |
oh yeah..that's how i found my adopt a mom..and without
those i wouldn't have known about PCOS causing low
supply or even what a lactation consultant is! |
|
11:34:44 |
mizdrea |
i gotta go ladies, it was nice chatting |
|
11:34:49 |
mwalton |
take care! |
|
11:34:50 |
Host_Housepoet |
I felt like I had someone other than my son to answer to
when we started out |
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11:34:55 |
Host_Housepoet |
the boob nazis |
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11:34:57 |
rainingkisses |
bye drea :) |
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11:35:04 |
Host_Housepoet |
I felt like if I gave up they would all kick my ass. ;) |
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11:35:14 |
Host_Housepoet |
I read tons of posts about women over coming all kinds
of things |
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11:35:17 |
mwalton |
and i'm certain they probably would have ;) |
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11:35:17 |
rainingkisses |
I was hoping my SIL would feel that way about me and MIL |
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11:35:20 |
Host_Housepoet |
and I knew that I could do it |
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11:35:28 |
janaya |
yeah, i couldn't confess to LJ that the doctors had
bullied me into quitting |
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11:35:33 |
rainingkisses |
and look at ya now, Noel ;) |
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11:35:35 |
Host_Housepoet |
cuz all I was dealiing with was being tired. |
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11:35:37 |
Host_Housepoet |
a little sore |
|
11:35:39 |
Host_Housepoet |
I know right? |
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11:35:41 |
Host_Housepoet |
it's amazing |
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11:35:43 |
rainingkisses |
yep |
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11:35:45 |
rainingkisses |
makes me happy |
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11:36:28 |
janaya |
my home health nurse yesterday was asking me to look
into becoming a guest speaker at a breastfeeding
education clinic for medical professionals that she
knows of |
|
11:36:56 |
rainingkisses |
oh wow! |
|
11:37:00 |
rainingkisses |
that's really great |
|
11:37:06 |
kristenandmadeleine |
awesome |
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11:37:10 |
janaya |
she said, They have all sorts of moms come in to share
their breastfeeding stories. One mom was even still
nursing a three year old along with her newborn!" she
clearly thought that was crazy." |
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11:37:17 |
Host_Housepoet |
that is really great |
|
11:37:24 |
Host_Housepoet |
yes, we have some bfing stories on the site too. |
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11:37:27 |
Host_Housepoet |
We want to get more up |
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11:37:31 |
Host_Housepoet |
it just takes time you know |
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11:37:36 |
Host_Housepoet |
and man, we are all so busy! |
|
11:37:51 |
kristenandmadeleine |
you know its funny, that we know more than a medical
professional does about breastfeeding |
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11:37:53 |
kristenandmadeleine |
sad isnt it |
|
11:37:54 |
Host_Housepoet |
I'm in college, planning a wedding, raising a family,
Ariana is homeschooling, doing the family thing |
|
11:37:55 |
Host_Housepoet |
it's tough |
|
11:37:56 |
janaya |
i wish i could find some way to make a career out of
breastfeeding/clothdiapering/babywearing advocacy. |
|
11:38:30 |
mwalton |
it's amazing how the things you learn though come up to
help others even if you yourself don't use them..like i
was able to help a friend of mine know that even though
she is adopting it is possible to breastfeed..never
would have known that before |
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11:38:40 |
janaya |
kristenandmadeleine, that is so true! the doc that
called CPS on me had said just a few days before, Thank
you for teaching me so much about breastfeeding!"" |
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11:38:56 |
kristenandmadeleine |
they called cps on you? |
|
11:39:17 |
janaya |
oh yes! because i refused to feed my son formula. |
|
11:39:20 |
Host_Housepoet |
oh gawd |
|
11:39:28 |
kristenandmadeleine |
was he gaining normally? |
|
11:39:29 |
Host_Housepoet |
there are so many articles about soy being bad for
babies |
|
11:39:53 |
janaya |
he was FTT, and not gaining properly. but i bought 1000
worth of bank milk. i was okay with supplementing, just
not with formula. |
|
11:40:02 |
kristenandmadeleine |
my mother gave me soy formula |
|
11:40:09 |
kristenandmadeleine |
jeez |
|
11:40:11 |
janaya |
and i wanted to do the CRAZY thing, by treating the
actual root of the problem. |
|
11:40:21 |
Host_Housepoet |
I wish dea was still here, that's one good reason to get
RL bfing friends |
|
11:40:24 |
kristenandmadeleine |
what was that, if you dont mind me asking |
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11:40:24 |
Host_Housepoet |
to have someone pump for you |
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11:40:52 |
janaya |
he was born with tongue-tie, and got it clipped at two
weeks, but that was too late and he'd already learned
bad suck habits. so i was taking him to physical
therapy to improve his suck. |
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11:40:55 |
kristenandmadeleine |
i would pump for someone if they needed it |
|
11:41:05 |
rainingkisses |
I would, too |
|
11:41:09 |
janaya |
FTT - failure to thrive. he didn't actually meet the
definition |
|
11:41:10 |
kristenandmadeleine |
awww, baby is hungry. ill brb. gotta grab her and
latch her on |
|
11:41:26 |
rainingkisses |
I need to go, too |
|
11:41:32 |
Host_Housepoet |
alright |
|
11:41:35 |
Host_Housepoet |
we'll see you next week |
|
11:41:37 |
Host_Housepoet |
:) |
|
11:41:39 |
rainingkisses |
make lunch |
|
11:41:39 |
Host_Housepoet |
thanks for being here. |
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11:41:44 |
mwalton |
janaya: how dare you want to treat the cause and not
just the symptoms ;) don't you know that cuts into your
doctor's profits? ;) |
|
11:41:44 |
rainingkisses |
i'll come back if I can :) |
|
11:41:46 |
Host_Housepoet |
yah I'm multi tasking right now |
|
11:41:49 |
Host_Housepoet |
doing math homework |
|
11:41:51 |
Host_Housepoet |
;) |
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11:41:53 |
rainingkisses |
Noel, lmk about the inserts, I may have more for you |
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11:41:56 |
rainingkisses |
ok? |
|
11:41:59 |
Host_Housepoet |
oohh nice |
|
11:42:01 |
Host_Housepoet |
I would love it |
|
11:42:02 |
janaya |
i'm such a guerrilla mama |
|
11:42:04 |
rainingkisses |
cool |
|
11:42:05 |
Host_Housepoet |
they are working out great so far |
|
11:42:07 |
rainingkisses |
good |
|
11:42:10 |
Host_Housepoet |
washed and dried with no stink! |
|
11:42:11 |
rainingkisses |
no funk |
|
11:42:13 |
rainingkisses |
good |
|
11:42:13 |
rainingkisses |
hehe |
|
11:42:21 |
rainingkisses |
they'd been stripped and sunned, but still |
|
11:42:22 |
rainingkisses |
ya never know |
|
11:42:24 |
Host_Housepoet |
let me kmnow how many more you have and I'll send you
some money for shipping |
|
11:42:27 |
rainingkisses |
i'll ttyl |
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11:42:29 |
rainingkisses |
ok, I will |
|
11:42:29 |
Host_Housepoet |
yah no funk |
|
11:42:31 |
Host_Housepoet |
:) |
|
11:42:32 |
rainingkisses |
lol |
|
11:42:32 |
Host_Housepoet |
see ya |
|
11:42:32 |
janaya |
in hindsight, i should have only taken him to a
naturapath even though it wasn't covered by insurance |
|
11:42:34 |
rainingkisses |
bye |
|
11:42:49 |
janaya |
it would have been cheaper and much better for all our
sanity |
|
11:43:22 |
janaya |
things will be so different with the next baby. the
more you know! |
|
11:43:32 |
mwalton |
janaya: btw did you have to pay for the ambulence? |
|
11:44:00 |
janaya |
no, because she called. i refused to ride in it because
i needed my car and it wasn't an emergency. |
|
11:44:06 |
mwalton |
good for you! |
|
11:44:52 |
janaya |
the EMTs were really nice. They told me they could see
my baby wasn't sick, but that i had to go to the
hospital anyway or the police would force me. |
|
11:44:55 |
mwalton |
i was gonna say cause that would stink..those things are
incredibly expensive |
|
11:45:03 |
janaya |
that bill is still being worked out for the hospital
though |
|
11:45:17 |
janaya |
9000, and so far insurance is only covering 1700 |
|
11:45:24 |
mwalton |
the doctor should have to pay it..but i know that could
never actually happen |
|
11:45:31 |
janaya |
i know! |
|
11:46:01 |
janaya |
i'd love to send that bill to her with a little
sarcastic thank you note for her AWESOME service |
|
11:46:26 |
Host_Housepoet |
haha you should! |
|
11:46:39 |
mwalton |
ugh insurance bugs me too..you pay through the nose for
the premiums and then it's tooth and nail to get them to
pay what they are supposed to! |
|
11:46:48 |
janaya |
no. kidding. |
|
11:46:55 |
mummoth |
lol sort of like the 'crowning glor' pics VBAC moms send
to the doc that did their c section |
|
11:47:14 |
mummoth |
*glory |
|
11:47:38 |
mwalton |
lol yep...too bad you couldn't get a copy of the
unfounded and closed" part of your file to send with it
;)" |
|
11:48:09 |
janaya |
i will be getting a certified letter shortly stating as
much |
|
11:48:17 |
mwalton |
ooh excellent! |
|
11:49:04 |
mwalton |
so how old is your little one now? |
|
11:49:39 |
janaya |
5 months and some change |
|
11:49:44 |
mwalton |
aw very cool! |
|
11:49:47 |
janaya |
his birthday is the 20th |
|
11:49:56 |
janaya |
he's so nice and chubby now |
|
11:50:04 |
mwalton |
really shows me what a little chunk monster my guy
is...he had his 4 month appt yesterday and was 17 lbs 12
oz! and 27 inches |
|
11:50:13 |
janaya |
not FAT like many gorgeous breastfeed bubs, but he looks
great |
|
11:50:29 |
mwalton |
heh mine would fit in the fat category..but i love his
little chubs :) |
|
11:50:33 |
janaya |
he's getting dimples on his knees and elbows and little
rubber band wrists. |
|
11:50:44 |
mwalton |
how wonderful! you must be excited to see that |
|
11:51:06 |
janaya |
considering that at his skinniest, he looked like he
didn't fit into his skin, this is a remarkable
difference. |
|
11:51:41 |
mwalton |
definately..and wow..amazing..taking care of the *actual
problem* solved it..who woulda thunk it? ;) |
|
11:51:51 |
janaya |
he didn't have any cheeks before, and everyone
everywhere would make comments about Oh my god, your
baby is so skinny." which would of course make me cry.
;)" |
|
11:52:23 |
mwalton |
yeah that must have been hard..glad it's turning around |
|
11:52:30 |
janaya |
he's still small percentile-wise, but not enouch that
random strangers need to talk about it. |
|
11:52:34 |
mwalton |
d'oh there's my little guy..gotta go, take care all! |
|
11:52:36 |
kristenandmadeleine |
gah, damn wireless |
|
11:52:39 |
Host_Housepoet |
bye bye! |
|
11:52:44 |
janaya |
bye |
|
11:52:56 |
Jenivere |
I know I amcoming in near the end but how small was he?
My current nursling has never been anything but skinny. |
|
11:53:21 |
janaya |
he was 3 months old, 22 inches long, and 8lbs. |
|
11:53:30 |
Jenivere |
awww, so tiny |
|
11:53:36 |
Host_Housepoet |
aww so little |
|
11:53:48 |
kristenandmadeleine |
mine is 21.5 inches at 10 pounds |
|
11:53:49 |
Host_Housepoet |
long and skinny |
|
11:54:04 |
Jenivere |
my girly is 20 pounds at 21 months |
|
11:54:07 |
Host_Housepoet |
heh. my nursing 2 year old is 38 pounds and 37 inches |
|
11:54:14 |
kristenandmadeleine |
awww |
|
11:54:20 |
Host_Housepoet |
I have a monster |
|
11:54:42 |
Host_Housepoet |
he's really very sweet when he comes up and gives me the
nurse sign. :) |
|
11:54:43 |
Jenivere |
my son isn't big either but he was a dimpled baby |
|
11:54:54 |
Jenivere |
my daughter wasn't |
|
11:54:55 |
janaya |
here's an example of his skinniest:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y179/babyavery/Update%205-26-05/IMG_1844.jpg |
|
11:55:09 |
Jenivere |
right now she is sick and I am so glad she is still
nursing |
|
11:55:23 |
kristenandmadeleine |
my goblin is a nice size. not too chubby. not too
skinny. but cuddley |
|
11:55:33 |
janaya |
i need to put current pics up to accentuate the
difference |
|
11:55:46 |
Host_Housepoet |
my boy was only 6.12 when he was born |
|
11:55:55 |
Host_Housepoet |
doubled his birth weight in 6 weeks! go mama milk! |
|
11:56:04 |
kristenandmadeleine |
look at how big his nappy was |
|
11:56:07 |
Jenivere |
my computer is being silly, link won't open |
|
11:56:24 |
kristenandmadeleine |
mine was 20.5 at 8.13 |
|
11:56:35 |
mummoth |
DS was bigger than DD is... he was 26 pounds at 1 & she
was 21 |
|
11:57:04 |
Jenivere |
my daughter was 9lbs 6oz at bith but she thinned down
qiockly and stayed that way |
|
11:57:11 |
kristenandmadeleine |
my baby has only gained two pounds in 7.5 weeks |
|
11:57:36 |
janaya |
there was no doubt that avery was too skinny for a while
there, but it was shocking how quickly EVERYONE wanted
to treat the symptom by switching him to formula |
|
11:57:51 |
Jenivere |
as if formula is THE solution |
|
11:57:53 |
janaya |
kristenandmadeleine, that is just right |
|
11:58:17 |
janaya |
exactly! your baby isn't growing right, so let's pump
him full of coconut oil and corn syrup |
|
11:58:30 |
Jenivere |
and that will solve everything like magic |
|
11:59:11 |
kristenandmadeleine |
aww a belly full of milk |
|
11:59:18 |
janaya |
doctors, nurses, the staff at children's hospital, his
physical therapist, a lactation consultant. they all
said, Why don't you just switch this baby to formula?"" |
|
11:59:35 |
kristenandmadeleine |
i love it when madeleine suckles in her sleep |
|
11:59:44 |
janaya |
so sweet! |
|
12:00:02 |
janaya |
she's 2 |
|
12:00:03 |
Jenivere |
aww man, well nursing her in ssmall amounts worked for a
couple of hours |
|
12:00:09 |
janaya |
she's 2.5 months? |
|
12:00:21 |
Jenivere |
but she only threw up a iny bit this time |
|
12:00:23 |
mummoth |
an aquantance of my family had FTT baby & my sisers
think itsbecause she wouldnt giveth e baby formula |
|
12:00:27 |
janaya |
(hit enter instead of .) |
|
12:01:06 |
mummoth |
but the mom had some sort of problem, too becaus the
baby wouldnt wake up & she didnt bother to wake her...
she thought the baby looked cute becasue she was so
petite |
|
12:01:19 |
janaya |
believe me, FTT is considered to be the mom's fault. it
usually doesn't happen with formula kids. |
|
12:01:30 |
janaya |
wow. |
|
12:01:53 |
Host_Housepoet |
alright ladies, it's that time. Feel free to stay here
but i must make my departure. have a great day and we'll
see you all next week! |
|
12:01:57 |
janaya |
crazy. |
|
12:02:04 |
Jenivere |
bye |
|
12:02:08 |
janaya |
bye noel. :) |
|
12:02:15 |
Host_Housepoet |
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