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Breastfeeding Is Normal presents: A Breastfeeding Advocacy Chat #21
11/16
/05

19 mamas in attendance

12:00:14 Host_Housepoet OFFICIAL START OF THE BREASTFEEDINGISNORMAL.ORG CHAT! WELCOME! MY NAME IS NOEL AND I AM ONE OF YOUR YOUR HOSTESSES TODAY, ARIANA IS MY RIGHT HAND WOMA.! THIS CHAT IS TRANSCRIPTED AND POSTED ON THE SUNDAY FOLLOWING THIS CHAT...PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN POSTING TO THIS CHAT. THANK YOU! :)
12:00:37 kristenandmadeleine Good afternoon housepoet!
12:00:39 Host_Housepoet Morning Ladies!
12:00:44 sugarcoated_poison_apple hi noel
12:00:46 Host_Housepoet good afternoon to you east coasties
12:00:50 Host_Housepoet SPA in the house
12:00:58 Janice hello all
12:00:59 sugarcoated_poison_apple please excuse typos today; nak
12:01:00 kristenandmadeleine hehehehe.   i keep forgeting ya'll are westcosters!
12:01:01 Host_Housepoet How is everyone
12:01:02 cali4niachef east coasties, lol
12:01:09 kristenandmadeleine same here apple
12:01:21 conchispa hi all
12:01:25 Janice what about the prairies?
12:01:28 kristenandmadeleine aww apple, mine is 14 weeks.  i felt like i just had her
12:01:33 sugarcoated_poison_apple i'm exhausted and gagitated ... those happy nurshing hormones better kick in now, dammit
12:01:39 sugarcoated_poison_apple *agitated
12:01:40 Host_Housepoet hehe you're still either west or east coast janice!
12:01:53 Janice how does that work???
12:02:13 Host_Housepoet you're either on our coast or you're on the east coast ;)
12:02:31 Janice okay............
12:02:34 Host_Housepoet alright, I hear that Ariana has some news about a bfing clinic closing
12:02:38 kristenandmadeleine ladies i am lagging severely
12:02:42 Host_Housepoet Ariana lets hit it
12:02:52 Mod_ariana Janice do you actually want to take this?
12:03:02 Janice Okay
12:03:06 Mod_ariana You're our prarie Canada queen
12:03:29 Janice Across Ontario Canada, there's many bfing and maternal health clinics being closed
12:03:48 kristenandmadeleine why are they closing?
12:03:51 Janice This includes several that Dr. jack Newman works at
12:04:12 Janice It is gov't change in the way they give budgets to hospitals
12:04:47 Janice When a hospital has a deficiet it will no longer be covered by the gov't, so they need to cut programs
12:05:15 Janice Accoding to Jack ,t he easiest programs to cut are bfing & women's services
12:05:30 Janice over 6 have closed already
12:05:40 conchispa why are they the easiest?
12:05:43 Janice here's an article in todays nation newspaper
12:05:48 Mod_ariana I always thought of the Canadian health care system as pretty good about breastfeeding?  Is this not so?
12:05:57 Janice http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20051116/BREAST16/TPNational/?query=breastfeeding
12:06:15 Janice Yes, our bfing rates are better than the US.
12:06:20 mwalton wow, so they'd rather provide more expensive services later when the kids end up with allergies and assundry other sicknesses later?
12:06:30 Janice These closures are specific to Ontario
12:06:36 kristenandmadeleine how awful.  my family services place has helpe me soo much with  breastfeeing.  i would have been lost and probably thought of supplementing had it not been or the lactation nurses at my hospital
12:06:53 Janice Health care is decided provincially, not federally
12:07:02 cali4niachef can you give me that link again ariana?
12:07:16 Mod_ariana But with changes like this Toronto BF rates will probably drop, right?
12:07:18 Janice anyhow, not only to the actual moms that would have seen Newman lose out
12:07:38 Janice but Newman's clinics were great teaching facilities
12:07:48 Janice lots of people came to watch and learn from him
12:08:11 Janice Yesterday I asked an INFACT board member I knew
12:08:22 Janice if this was really as bad as it sounds
12:08:28 Janice she said yes
12:08:39 Janice there is a petition we can sign
12:09:02 Janice http://www.infactcanada.ca/NYGH_Breastfeeding_Clinic_Closure_Petition.htm
12:09:04 conchispa do we have to be canadian to sign it?
12:09:14 Janice and moms who haved been helped by Newman
12:09:32 Janice can share their stories here
12:09:38 Janice mailto:savetheclinic@rogers.com
12:09:54 Janice No you don't have to be Canadian to sign
12:10:02 Mod_ariana The petition has a space for what country you're from
12:10:03 sugarcoated_poison_apple one of my daughters is half canadian
12:10:16 Janice I think its good to see internation interest and support in this
12:10:40 Janice just as any nurse-in or whatever, we need to shame them into this
12:10:55 conchispa i'm sorry, i closed the wrong windo, can you post the link to the petition again please?
12:10:58 Janice let them know the world is watching
12:11:08 Mod_ariana http://www.infactcanada.ca/NYGH_Breastfeeding_Clinic_Closure_Petition.htm
12:11:16 conchispa thanks!
12:11:41 mwalton i always forget to enable popups before entering the room..d'oh can you post that link again?
12:11:43 Mod_ariana conchispa We're also going to write up this info and make some noise on LJ and the BFIN mail list
12:11:51 Mod_ariana http://www.infactcanada.ca/NYGH_Breastfeeding_Clinic_Closure_Petition.htm
12:11:55 mwalton thanks sorry!
12:12:14 conchispa i'll take it to the BFAR.org. there are many canadians there, actually
12:12:14 Janice That's about it, I have some more background links
12:12:23 Janice I'll post them when I find them
12:12:41 Janice Oh yah, spread the word as far as possible
12:12:47 kristenandmadeleine thats awful
12:13:24 Janice here's the background link http://www.infactcanada.ca/Action_Alert_Oct1105_1.htm
12:13:41 Mod_ariana Also a good link is Dr. Jack Newman's articles.
12:13:43 Mod_ariana http://www.bflrc.com/newman/articles.htm
12:13:47 Mod_ariana Such good info
12:13:50 kristenandmadeleine my friend just had her little man on the 8th and is breastfeeding.  she had a little bit of trouble at the begining but is doing great.  her lactation services were soo helpful to her
12:13:56 conchispa tried to send the petition, click send and get a front page error message"  anyone has that problem?"
12:14:33 kittn yup
12:15:40 Host_Housepoet .I found this article about cosleeping and CIO
12:15:40 Host_Housepoet http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20051115/babies_ferber_051115/20051115?hub=Health
12:15:51 Mod_ariana I'm getting the same error too
12:16:00 mwalton i got the same error
12:16:02 sugarcoated_poison_apple i got the error message on the petition, too
12:16:23 Janice me too, same error.  I will contact the people behind the petition
12:16:42 conchispa cool, keep us posted. i'll try that link later again
12:16:48 kittn i never understood the whle CIO thing
12:16:54 kristenandmadeleine neither do i
12:17:10 kristenandmadeleine thank god i dont have to worry about that,  M goes to sleep and stays asleep all night long
12:17:19 kittn why have children if meeting their needs for a short period is such an issue
12:17:39 kittn lucky you kristen
12:17:51 ham_bone Hello all
12:17:51 kristenandmadeleine i am very lucky
12:17:54 kristenandmadeleine very very lucky
12:17:57 Host_Housepoet you are very lucky
12:18:01 Host_Housepoet hello  ham_bone
12:18:03 kristenandmadeleine hey ham bone
12:18:05 mwalton sooo lucky
12:18:06 Host_Housepoet glad to see you here
12:18:07 Mod_ariana ham_bone Hi!
12:18:12 Host_Housepoet everyone agrees that you're lucky
12:18:19 Host_Housepoet :)
12:18:23 ham_bone Thank you - I am happy that I finally came over here
12:18:29 kristenandmadeleine yeah.  i was like that as a baby too.  and so was my boyfriend.  i dunno she started at 8 weeks.
12:18:34 mwalton my guys is just shy of being six months old and on a good night he's only up 4-6 times
12:18:45 Host_Housepoet It's a very nteresting read
12:18:48 kristenandmadeleine before that it was twice a night.  but she hardly sleeps during the day
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