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Breastfeeding Is Normal presents: A Breastfeeding Advocacy Chat #22
11/23
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11 mamas in attendance

12:06:14 Host_Housepoet OFFICIAL START OF THEBREASTFEEDINGISNORMAL.ORG CHAT! WELCOME! MY NAME IS NOEL AND I AM YOUR HOSTESS TODAY! THIS CHAT IS TRANSCRIPTED AND POSTED ON THE SUNDAY FOLLOWING THIS CHAT...PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN POSTING TO THIS CHAT. THANK YOU! :)
12:06:48 meeshelly12 ok
12:08:01 Mod_ariana So, how's everyone today?
12:08:53 Host_Housepoet how is everyone
12:08:56 Host_Housepoet sorry abou that
12:08:57 meeshelly12 i'm good
12:09:07 Host_Housepoet we're going to be super causual today since it's right before the holiday
12:09:12 Host_Housepoet is everyone ready for turkey day?!
12:09:42 cali4niachef getting ready, making some danish and crossiant dough today
12:09:51 cali4niachef so time consuming but fun :)
12:10:19 meeshelly12 i'm working on my christmas list for baby... any recommendations on cool products? maybe some breastfeeding products that are must haves... or for starting solids? or just natural products?
12:11:07 Host_Housepoet oooh yes
12:11:09 Host_Housepoet lets see
12:11:13 meeshelly12 i'm ready... i'd like to make a pumpkin cheesecake to take to boyfriends parents house tomorrow, but I just don't know if I'll have time.
12:11:24 Host_Housepoet *gets out her handy dandy list of cool nat. product. sites*
12:11:30 meeshelly12 ;)
12:11:58 therealocelot i want to make pumpkin cheesecake, but probably next week
12:12:11 therealocelot pumpkin brownies, too
12:12:27 therealocelot but my husband insists on a pie for tomorrow
12:12:36 Host_Housepoet hhmm well Ive lost my list!"
12:12:38 Host_Housepoet darnet.
12:12:38 meeshelly12 hmm.. i love pumpkin
12:12:42 meeshelly12 thats cool
12:12:49 Host_Housepoet the natural fmaily community is a great place to ask about natural toy products
12:13:13 meeshelly12 i know i love haba toys and robeez shoes and earth mama angel baby products
12:13:18 cali4niachef hey darcy
12:13:26 meeshelly12 just wondering on breastfeeding stuff
12:13:31 cali4niachef fyi my nipple healed on its own
12:13:36 meeshelly12 i mean obviously you dont need much
12:13:41 Darcy Hi all!
12:13:49 cali4niachef i didn't even see the LC, it healed like a day or two after i spoke to you all
12:13:58 Darcy Cali - how did it go at the lc?
12:14:04 meeshelly12 but he'll be 6 months in january and i'll prob be starting solids, when did everyone start solids??
12:14:07 Mod_ariana cali4niachef I think this chat has magical nipple healing properties.  ;)
12:14:10 Host_Housepoet hey Darcy!
12:14:10 therealocelot a decent-looking (in other words, expensive :) nursing bra
12:14:29 meeshelly12 hi darcy
12:14:38 Host_Housepoet My son had avocado at 6 months but didn't really eat solids til about 10-11 months
12:14:44 Darcy Cali - that's great!
12:14:49 Host_Housepoet I agree Ariana
12:14:53 cali4niachef i think so too
12:15:01 cali4niachef i didn't even see the LC it just healed
12:15:01 Mod_ariana haha
12:15:13 Mod_ariana I mean really our bodies are amazing
12:15:18 theotherhand Owen started solids at 8.5 months...he snuck a breadstick off the coffee table ;)
12:15:19 Mod_ariana and usually these things do heal on their own
12:15:22 Darcy Joseph is wearing Aiden's clothes today.
12:15:30 Host_Housepoet is he?!?
12:15:33 Host_Housepoet what's he wearing?
12:15:57 Darcy My husband swears Joseph will start himself on solids while our backs are turned.  He is so freakin' mobile!  It happened so suddenly.
12:16:41 Darcy Yellow t-shirt with a giraffe on the front (kind of embroidered on) and grey cargo shorts.
12:18:17 therealocelot i have an actual breastfeeding advocacy topic!
12:18:22 Mod_ariana cool
12:18:50 meeshelly12 i want to delay as long as possible, but i know his doctor at the 4 month check up was already recommending cereal, i told him i wouldnt even consider starting till 6 months....
12:19:14 therealocelot In a few weeks, I'll be going to a book signing of a breastfeeding advocate science fiction author.
12:19:24 Mod_ariana therealocelot   ?
12:19:27 Darcy Where?  Who?
12:19:27 Mod_ariana Who is that?
12:19:32 meeshelly12 ?
12:19:37 therealocelot Kim Stanley Robinson, in Davis, CA
12:19:43 Mod_ariana HAHA all the question marks!!
12:20:01 therealocelot sorry, I'm dealing with hyper nursing toddler
12:20:34 Host_Housepoet I bet he looks so cute Darcy!
12:20:42 therealocelot In any case, I'd like to recognize this somehow, but I'm too shy to actually say anything :)
12:20:49 Darcy He looks like a little boy.  It's tilling me.
12:21:01 Darcy It's killing me.
12:21:01 Host_Housepoet I cut Aiden's hair
12:21:04 Host_Housepoet I have to take a picture
12:21:12 Darcy Oooh - did you take some pictures of the curls before you cut it?
12:21:14 Host_Housepoet HE looks like a little boy for sure!
12:21:16 Mod_ariana therealocelot I'm trying to read up o nhim right now
12:21:29 therealocelot His latest books feature a nursing toddler, and a mom who pumps at work for that toddler
12:22:16 therealocelot And there's an episode in the Mars series where a mother, who is shown as completely devoted to her career and basically devoid of maternal feelings, breastfeeds her baby and then hands it off to a nanny
12:22:53 therealocelot which, while less than wonderful mothering, still shows breastfeeding as the default, even in a situation where you'd expect formula use
12:23:15 meeshelly12 that's cool
12:23:27 Mod_ariana interesting
12:23:39 Mod_ariana Do you know if his kids were BF'd
12:23:43 Mod_ariana You'd think so
12:24:19 therealocelot Yes
12:24:40 therealocelot There's a autobiographical poem in one of his books where he talks about feeding his son EBM
12:24:46 Mod_ariana awww
12:24:52 Mod_ariana I love good daddies
12:24:52 therealocelot (and microwaving it, but oh well)
12:24:55 Mod_ariana haha
12:25:41 Mod_ariana I know what you're saying.
12:25:52 Mod_ariana You don't want to not mention BF but you're not sure how to bring it up, right?
12:26:29 therealocelot hang on, I'll post the poem
12:26:32 therealocelot basically, yeah
12:28:32 therealocelot http://www.ansible.org/~jess/ksr-twoyears.txt
12:28:36 Darcy Is everyone still there?
12:28:43 Mod_ariana I'm here
12:28:45 meeshelly12 where?
12:28:51 meeshelly12 here? i'm here
12:28:57 Darcy Weird - I couldn't see any convo for a while.  Oh well - I'm back now.
12:30:15 therealocelot the formatting is a little odd
12:30:45 Mod_ariana Wow, I've been emotional lately and this poem is really getting to me
12:30:46 Darcy So, how do you all respond when baby wakes at night?  Do you nurse immediately. . .
12:30:54 Host_Housepoet I don't
12:30:56 Darcy or attempt to comfort for a bit first.
12:31:05 Mod_ariana I've always nursed right away
12:31:12 Host_Housepoet and my situation is diff than yours darcy since A is older
12:31:17 meeshelly12 i cosleep so yeah as soon as i hear a peep i nurse and he falls right back to sleep
12:31:29 Darcy Yes - very different cuz mine is only 5 1/2 months.
12:31:39 Host_Housepoet I have in the past nursed right away jsut so I could go back to sleep right away too, but Im thinking that I've set Aiden up with some bad habits of night nursing"
12:31:46 Mod_ariana Oh at that age I'd def. nurse whenever he wakes
12:31:55 Mod_ariana Shoot do it for selfish reasons.  ;-)
12:31:58 Host_Housepoet NOTE: my son is well over two years old now.
12:32:00 meeshelly12 mine is 4 1/2 months
12:32:01 Mod_ariana it can help keep your period away
12:32:06 Darcy He's been nursing 5 times a night for about 3 weeks.
12:32:35 Darcy I'm having a really hard time with it.
12:32:40 meeshelly12 yeah mine nurses 3-5 times a night
12:32:55 meeshelly12 and yeah no period yet... :)
12:33:04 Host_Housepoet I usually let Aiden fuss a bit, and I sing to him and rub his back and he'll go back to sleep
12:33:20 Mod_ariana Darcy there could be a reason
12:33:25 Host_Housepoet I've been doing this between the hours of 11pm and 4am, anywhere inbewtween there, boobie is alseep and I just let him know.
12:33:29 Mod_ariana like a growth spurt (though that's long for a spurt)
12:33:33 Mod_ariana teething is very likely
12:33:34 Host_Housepoet It's been hard, mind you, but we're making progress.
12:33:41 Darcy Ariana - I agree there must be a reason.  But I can't figure it out.
12:33:44 Host_Housepoet He never cries it out, he's comforted the whole time
12:33:59 Darcy In laws are coming for two days and there's going to be lots of pressure to let him CIO.
12:34:00 lifeisstatic hello
12:34:04 Host_Housepoet LAME
12:34:08 Darcy And I'm sooo sleep derived I don't know if I can take it.
12:34:09 Host_Housepoet hello  Host_Housepoet
12:34:12 Darcy I'm just so tired.
12:34:16 Host_Housepoet I know what you're saying Darcy
12:34:20 therealocelot i've found leif is just naturally starting to fall asleep more without nursing, even though I haven't made a real effort at it
12:34:23 therealocelot he's 2.5
12:34:29 meeshelly12 hmmm... but that's the only way i sleep to feed him right away
12:34:36 meeshelly12 we barely come out of sleep
12:34:43 meeshelly12 do you co sleep?
12:34:51 Mod_ariana meeshelly12 yes I agree
12:34:59 Darcy He doesn't nurse down at the beginning of the night (he nurses and then dad reads a book and he usually can fall to sleep on his own).
12:35:07 Darcy So, he knows th
12:35:09 Mod_ariana If I tried to hold it off for a few minutes then they fully woke up and it'd take longer to get them back to sleep
12:35:12 Darcy a0t he can.1
12:35:26 Mod_ariana If I nursed while they were still 1/2 asleep then they were back out within a few minutes
12:35:41 meeshelly12 same here ariana
12:35:47 Darcy Ariana - I agree.  I've tried to comfort him back down without nursing and he gets all revved up.
12:36:00 Host_Housepoet Aiden was like that too, but I'm showing him that he can go to sleep and stay alseep without boobie
12:36:19 Host_Housepoet I thikn that changing his diet as well is going to help, less carbs late in the day, more veggies and protein at dinner time
12:36:19 meeshelly12 its the only way i get sleep if i didn't feed him right away he'd be awake and crying and not going back to sleep for a couple of hours...
12:36:25 Darcy Meeshelly - he doesn't cosleep with us anymore because it was getting to be very hard on my bad back.  Also, he was nursing even more in the bed with us.
12:36:42 Host_Housepoet same with Aiden
12:37:05 Host_Housepoet I'm trying to get him to sleep in his own bed as well. One thing at a time though. I want him to sleep through the night, then I can move him to his own bed where he can stay for the whole night
12:37:09 meeshelly12 well, thats prob why your not sleeping... i mean you have to get up out of bed to get him, is he fully awake when you get him?
12:37:33 Darcy Not reallly.  He wakes slowly and loudly.
12:37:40 meeshelly12 i agree housepoet... when my baby is older i definitely will be doing what you are doing  ;)
12:37:55 Darcy And he's only been in his own bed less than a week.
12:38:17 Darcy It was just as bad when we were cosleeping, except that I wasn't able to sleep at all between nursings because of the kicking and such.
12:39:08 meeshelly12 yeah, I tried once to have baby sleep in crib and not in bed and it was awful... he kept waking up but like crying and then i'd get out of bed feed him rock him get him to sleep put him back get back in bed and then he'd just cry again so i said no way,
12:39:20 meeshelly12 the only way i can sleep is if hes in bed w/me
12:40:01 Host_Housepoet That was the only way I was sleeping too, but I realized that I just have to tough it out and get out of bed
12:40:01 meeshelly12 .... i dunno mine is a kicker but at night in bed he never comes out of sleep so never kicks, but he kicks me all day... lol
12:40:38 Darcy I wanted cosleeping to work better for us, but it just wasn't realistic once he turned about 4 months ol.
12:41:03 meeshelly12 i'm happy, though and he is too, barely cries... ;) so i think it's good. hopefully it stays good, he's 4 1/2 now...
12:41:05 Darcy Now my husband and I are spending about half the night in bed together and then taking turns sleeping with Joseph in his bed (futon mattress on the floor).
12:41:10 Darcy I miss sleeping with my husband.
12:41:14 Host_Housepoet me too
12:41:23 Host_Housepoet we all tried to sleep together last night and it was a rough night
12:41:25 Host_Housepoet :(
12:41:35 Host_Housepoet shawn had been gone for two days at training, and I wanted to feel close to him
12:41:36 Darcy It's so frustrating.
12:41:47 Darcy Oh - that's right I forgot about his trip.
12:41:57 Host_Housepoet at one point he's sleeping head down by the footboard and Aiden is down there with him and I had the top half of the bed all to myself ;)
12:42:00 Host_Housepoet it was great!!
12:42:05 Host_Housepoet yes it is.
12:42:15 Darcy I'm glad he's home, and I'm sorry you didn't get a quiet snugg;y night.
12:42:34 Host_Housepoet And being tired makes you irritable and not fun to be around. It takes a toll on your emotions and you feel guilty about not wanting to sleep with your baby. I know. I've been there.
12:42:39 Host_Housepoet Heck I am there! :)
12:43:12 Darcy I find myself getting really angry at him, which I really don't want.
12:43:19 Host_Housepoet yup. You're tired.
12:43:24 Host_Housepoet it's understandable.
12:43:39 Darcy It's another reason that not cosleeping is probably a good idea, because by the time I get to him, I remember how much I love the little life-sucker.  =)
12:43:42 meeshelly12 yeah i keep telling my boyfriend that i haven't slept 8 hours uninterrupted since baby was born... but i dont think he cares, never offers to help, i guess there is nothing he can do...
12:43:52 Host_Housepoet its a tough situation to be in, wanting the best for your child and having
12:44:00 Darcy My record in 3 weeks is 3 consecutive hours.
12:44:05 Host_Housepoet to get some sleep
12:45:27 Host_Housepoet See dad's play an important role in night time parenting
12:45:28 Darcy My husband wants to help, but it seems that nursing is the only thing that really works in the middle of the night.
12:45:36 meeshelly12 when did you stop co sleeping?? maybe you should try it one more time and see if you sleep.. i dunno, did you sleep better before or no? *shrugs* i dunno what to suggest...
12:45:41 Host_Housepoet they can put baby to sleep, it just takes a good man to want to step up to the plate and make that happen
12:45:56 meeshelly12 yeah, my man sucks.. lol...
12:46:06 Darcy I agree Noel.  He just can't figure it out.
12:46:14 meeshelly12 :D
12:46:21 Darcy And then I get mad because Joseph's all worked up and it takes longer for me to get him to sleep.
12:46:29 Darcy Meshelly - we just stopped cosleeping about a week ago.
12:46:46 Host_Housepoet ;)
12:46:57 meeshelly12 hmmm.. ?? i dunno, wish i had some magical advice
12:47:04 meeshelly12 i know you need to get some rest
12:47:07 Host_Housepoet me too
12:47:08 Darcy I think I actually get to sleep better between nursingsnow, but it is more work to get to him.
12:47:13 Host_Housepoet no cry sleep solution darcy?
12:47:14 meeshelly12 could he be teething?
12:47:15 Host_Housepoet have you read that one?
12:47:20 Darcy Noel - in general how is it going with Aiden.
12:47:21 Host_Housepoet I have it, I should give it to you
12:47:25 Host_Housepoet it did nothing for Aiden
12:47:30 Darcy NCSS - I have it and am reading it.
12:47:41 Host_Housepoet In general its ok, we've stayed at my mom's house the other night and that was hard
12:47:47 Darcy I hear great things and we've got going to bed down to a science.
12:48:07 Darcy It's wonderful to be able to get him into bed and he's happy and smiling when we leave him in there to go to sleep.
12:48:21 Darcy He's clearly confident about getting to sleep and I love that.
12:48:26 meeshelly12 thats good. ;)
12:48:40 Darcy However, I still don't know what to do to help him feel ok about going back to sleep in the middle of the night.
12:49:02 Darcy I'm sorry it was tough at your mom's.
12:49:20 Host_Housepoet and we're there again tonight
12:49:31 Darcy I hope it goes better.
12:49:37 Host_Housepoet me too
12:49:43 Host_Housepoet at least we have an air mattress to sleep on
12:49:48 Host_Housepoet it will be alright.
12:49:55 Darcy My guess is that Aiden is ready to sleep better and that it will get easier soon.
12:50:00 Host_Housepoet I'm alright with letting A fuss a bit when we are here at home and it's just he and I in the room
12:50:08 Darcy It's a tough transition for everyone, though.
12:50:13 Host_Housepoet but at my mom's we're in the living room, and I don't want him to wake up my mom and g-ma
12:50:17 Host_Housepoet so I give in and let him nurse
12:50:26 Host_Housepoet I think tonight I won't tho, and I'll just warn them that they might hear him
12:50:30 Darcy Yeah, that makes sense, but I'm sure it feels like backwards progress.
12:50:30 Host_Housepoet it really is
12:50:32 Host_Housepoet but he's old enough
12:50:44 Host_Housepoet to be sleeping through the night now
12:50:51 Host_Housepoet I don't sound like a crazy AP hippy
12:51:07 Host_Housepoet I'm losing some of my crunch power with this moving the night weaning along
12:51:16 Darcy You sound like someone who needs some sleep and, right now, I'm _very_ sympathetic to that.
12:51:29 Darcy We lost Ariana.
12:51:51 Darcy Meeshelly - do you know how many times Kyle wakes up?
12:52:00 Host_Housepoet oh no
12:52:05 meeshelly12 yeah 3-5 times a night
12:52:08 Host_Housepoet oops she's not online either
12:52:13 meeshelly12 but never really wakes up
12:52:15 Host_Housepoet maybe she lost her connection
12:52:21 meeshelly12 he'll make little noises
12:52:29 Darcy About how long do you nurse him (1 minute, 5 minutes, 20 minutes)?
12:52:47 Darcy AAAAARRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
12:52:48 meeshelly12 and i hear him put boob in his mouth and we both fall asleep, i nurse laying down
12:53:07 meeshelly12 i dunno.... dont time i usually fall asleep
12:53:10 Darcy I don't generally fall asleep nursing him because of the back pain.
12:53:32 Darcy Sounds like you have a good situation there, Meeshelly.
12:53:39 meeshelly12 sometimes i'll wake up because he's sucking on my boob and not nipple i'll fix latch and fall asleep again
12:54:19 Darcy Boobie hickeys.
12:54:30 meeshelly12 yeah no complaints... ;) its interrupted sleep but not by much we both are never fully awake
12:54:37 meeshelly12 yeah... :) lol
12:54:51 Host_Housepoet boon hickeys
12:54:52 Host_Housepoet hahaha
12:54:57 Host_Housepoet I've suffered from those many times
12:55:02 Host_Housepoet Night time parenting is really hard
12:55:17 Host_Housepoet I hear that Dr Sears is writing a night time parenting book
12:55:21 Darcy Has anyone read the new Dr. Sears book?  I'm thinking of picking it up today?
12:55:25 Darcy Jinx.
12:55:26 Darcy Buy me a coke.
12:55:42 Host_Housepoet HAHA
12:55:43 Host_Housepoet you got it
12:55:48 Host_Housepoet How about I buy you the book
12:56:09 meeshelly12 i haven't read any books, I'd like to get some books.. i need to shop on ebay.. i'm so broke lol
12:56:39 Darcy I'm a terrible reader, but I find the Dr Sears Baby Book to be an excellent reference.
12:56:52 meeshelly12 cool, i'll look into it
12:57:00 Darcy NOEL!  I forgot to tell you I got a pump.
12:57:04 therealocelot i admit, I really didn't like The Baby Book
12:57:09 therealocelot though I guess it's ok as a reference
12:57:13 Darcy It's a Medela Pump In Style.
12:57:25 meeshelly12 i think thats what i got
12:57:29 Darcy I'm borrowing it from a woman I know through LLL.
12:57:33 meeshelly12 i know its a medela
12:57:51 Darcy This one is older (1999 model) and it looks like a messenger bag.
12:58:11 meeshelly12 i had puped out like 5 4 oz bottles and during hurricane wilma and my loss of power the un froze
12:58:13 Darcy Ariana is back.  Hi, Ariana.
12:58:25 Host_Housepoet YOU DID?
12:58:27 Host_Housepoet awesome
12:58:40 Host_Housepoet nice nice, alright cool, so have you started pumping eyt?
12:58:40 meeshelly12 they unfroze
12:59:08 Darcy Yes.  I'm starting slow because I don't want to short Joseph (especially since he's seeming to need more now).  I'm pumping about 6 oz extra a day.
12:59:14 Mod_ariana I got kicked out
12:59:23 meeshelly12 :/
12:59:29 Darcy After the holiday I'll be able to devote more time to sitting in front of the TV with the pump attached.
12:59:52 Host_Housepoet oh tht's so great
12:59:54 Host_Housepoet SO GREAT
12:59:56 Mod_ariana brb -- stinky diaper
13:00:35 Host_Housepoet oh wow look at the time!
13:00:53 Darcy Whoa.  Ten o'clock.  Time to start cooking for tomorrow.
13:00:59 Darcy In-law-fest-2005.
13:01:20 Host_Housepoet fun
13:01:26 Host_Housepoet I'm out, I have to get to the gym and class
13:01:33 Host_Housepoet have a great weekend everyone see you all next week!
13:01:36 Darcy Bye, everyone!
13:01:57 meeshelly12 bye!

 

 

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