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Breastfeeding Is Normal presents: A Breastfeeding Advocacy Chat #25
12/14
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18 mamas in attendance

12:01:59 Mod_ariana Hi  generickat
12:02:03 Host_Housepoet hi  generickat
12:02:05 generickat question...
12:02:13 Host_Housepoet shoot
12:02:59 TurboClaudia he loves his oatmeal
12:03:35 generickat The pediatrician discussed my son (4 months) weight with me he's almost 17lbs now and said that it's time to regulate how much breastmilk he eats...as in stop feeding him on demand. And that I should start solids since he sits up unassisted.
12:03:45 generickat Anyways the point is...when do you stop feeding on demand?
12:03:53 TurboClaudia bah bah BAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12:04:12 Host_Housepoet um no
12:04:15 generickat he's gained over 10 lbs in 4 months I thought he was doing well.
12:04:18 Host_Housepoet that's completely incorrect
12:04:42 Host_Housepoet hang on
12:04:48 Host_Housepoet let me get a little something for you to read
12:04:50 Host_Housepoet from the LLL book
12:05:01 generickat ok
12:05:20 Host_Housepoet (pardon my typo's I was typing straight out of the book)
12:05:25 Host_Housepoet The Baby Who is PLEASENTLY PLUMP
12:05:31 Host_Housepoet If your breastfed baby is a round little fatty, some may say he's gaining weight too much. While he may weigh more than the average shown on the doctor's charts, the baby on human milk alone will not be overweight. A totally breastfed baby who is overweight" is not necessarily overfat or obese. Still in a weight-conscious world, even baby fat is suspect and the mother of a plump, fully breastfed baby may be told that her child should be put on a diet.  Heredity plays a definie role in determining a child's growth pattern.........There are hazards in limiting growth by putting a baby on a diet. The young child is a dynamic body builder, producing cells of all kinds, brain and nerv cells as well as fat cells. searchers have observed that the flesh of a breastfed baby is firmer than that of a formula-fed infant. THERE ARE NO EMPTY CALORIES IN HUMAN MILK, AS THERE ARE IN HIGHLY PROCESSED FOODS.    It must
12:05:33 generickat because I've been fighting with my Mom and everyone else about delaying solids since he was 2 months old. I don't want to start until he's 6 months.
12:06:50 Host_Housepoet so really there is nothing wrong with you child.
12:06:58 generickat thanks. I was worried because I'm overweight that he might end up overweight well at lest that's where everyone is pushing a link to
12:07:05 generickat that if I keep breastfeeding him he will be fat
12:07:17 Host_Housepoet exposing them to table foods, rice cereal, or anything other than breastmilk before 6 months old will acutally make the baby fatter
12:07:18 generickat so I should start solids
12:07:23 downundermum hi all
12:07:33 Host_Housepoet see that doesn't make any sense at all
12:07:34 grypx hi
12:07:34 Mod_ariana Studies show that babies who are exclusively breastfed are less likely to be obese than those that are formula fed
12:07:45 therealocelot when did you start solids when you were a baby? :)
12:07:52 Host_Housepoet aif you can check out the womanly art of breastfeeding and show your family and ped that part, maybe that would help
12:07:59 generickat my mom started us at 2 months
12:08:02 generickat me and my older brother
12:08:08 Host_Housepoet you see like the passage said there are no empty calories in BM
12:08:16 Host_Housepoet hi grypx
12:08:20 generickat i've always been chubby nad my brother has always been skinny
12:08:26 Mod_ariana 17 pounds at 4 months is not too big at all!
12:08:36 Mod_ariana My boys were well over that
12:08:37 Host_Housepoet not at all
12:08:41 Host_Housepoet that's how big my son was
12:08:44 Mod_ariana and they are *perfect*
12:08:46 Host_Housepoet he was 20 at 6 months
12:08:50 generickat maybe Houston doctor's just suck because someone else here in houston got the same feedback
12:08:56 generickat from a houston pediatrician
12:08:57 Host_Housepoet so there is nothing wrong with your child
12:09:02 Host_Housepoet hhmmm that's sad
12:09:19 generickat she's on live journal as well name is carbonish
12:09:20 Host_Housepoet well don't listen. you don't have to. you don't have to do anything that doc says.
12:09:29 Host_Housepoet oh and she had the same run in with this doc?
12:09:30 Mod_ariana Breastfeeding on demand helps a baby to figure out how to eat when it's hungry
12:09:37 Host_Housepoet exactly
12:09:38 generickat Different doctor
12:09:40 Host_Housepoet oh i see
12:09:43 generickat we both live in Houston though
12:09:51 Host_Housepoet well, how do you feel about this info we've given you
12:09:55 Host_Housepoet what does your gut tell you?
12:09:57 generickat I'm the only patient that my doc sees that breastfeeds
12:10:01 generickat pretty pitiful
12:10:01 Host_Housepoet oh that's sad
12:10:15 batty howdy, breastfeeders!
12:10:19 Mod_ariana Never take breastfeeding advice from someone who isn't trained in breastfeeding
12:10:22 Host_Housepoet hey  batty !!!!!!!!!
12:10:26 Mod_ariana batty Hi!
12:10:31 generickat at first he was encouraging me but, now he's sayin gthat my son is overweight and due to me being overweight i need to watch him and sta r t regulating
12:10:32 batty *mwah* housepoet
12:10:33 Host_Housepoet oh ya  Mod_ariana just hit the nail on the head
12:10:40 Host_Housepoet :)
12:10:44 Host_Housepoet wow, that an idiot
12:10:48 Host_Housepoet that is just bad bad bad advice
12:11:00 Host_Housepoet it's completely not true
12:11:07 generickat well ok... thnx for the advice.
12:11:08 Mod_ariana As soon as he starts to crawl and move around his rolls of fat are going to start MELTING
12:11:13 Host_Housepoet we have some links to kellymom.com that we can pass along to you as well
12:11:17 Host_Housepoet yes, he's going to trim down.
12:11:25 Host_Housepoet I hope we've helped you
12:11:25 TurboClaudia generickat, can you find a new ped?  that one sounds like bad bad news...
12:11:31 Mod_ariana and then the doc is going to tell you he's too thin and you need to give solids to fatten him up
12:11:38 Host_Housepoet we're here if you need anything.
12:11:43 Host_Housepoet ha, what a load of bull
12:11:49 generickat yea i'm just worried because pediatricians in houston seem to be anti-breastfeeding
12:11:53 Host_Housepoet docs get little or no training in lactation
12:12:01 Mod_ariana generickat you should post this on LJ in the breastfeeding community and we can get you even more info
12:12:03 Host_Housepoet you wouldn't go to a ped for brain surgery right?
12:12:06 Host_Housepoet yes please do
12:12:14 Mod_ariana and maybe even someone will have a recommendation for a new doc
12:12:15 generickat when i delivered the pediatrician came into my room and tried to convince me to formula feed
12:12:26 Host_Housepoet this just sounds like a nightmare
12:12:41 Host_Housepoet I'm glad I don't live in houston
12:12:42 generickat the woman said that young mothers have such a difficult time breastfeeding that they are better off with formula and that there is no difference
12:12:46 Mod_ariana You're such a great mom for sticking with it despite the lack of support!!!!
12:12:47 Host_Housepoet wow
12:12:48 generickat i wrote a huge letter
12:12:50 Host_Housepoet you really are
12:12:53 Host_Housepoet we applaude you
12:12:57 TurboClaudia and generickat, what is your reason for delaying the introduction of solids until 6 months?  because although that's wonderful ideal, every baby is different and if you watch for their cues, they will let you know if they want solids earlier or later.
12:13:03 Host_Housepoet and for being smart enough to question this bad information as well
12:13:13 generickat well trey sits up unassisted
12:13:16 Host_Housepoet TurboClaudia that is not a good recomendation
12:13:20 generickat however he has a toungue reflex
12:13:31 generickat i'm going to breastfeed until he's a year old
12:13:34 generickat that's the plan.
12:13:35 TurboClaudia why not?
12:13:39 Host_Housepoet no baby, no matter how much they grab at food and sit up on their own should be given solids before 6 months
12:14:07 generickat i also read in a few books that it will mess up their digestive tract if you give solids before 6 months
12:14:14 Host_Housepoet one minute here, I'm getting a link
12:14:15 Host_Housepoet and some info
12:14:21 Host_Housepoet exactly
12:14:26 Mod_ariana It's unusual that a baby's digestive system would be ready for solids before 6 months
12:14:44 Mod_ariana There's not any harm in waiting but there could be harm in starting too early
12:15:02 generickat i know that my son is big and he's developing fast but, I don't want to rush him...
12:15:04 Host_Housepoet from kellymom
12:15:08 Host_Housepoet Most babies will become developmentally and physiologically ready to eat solids by 6-9 months of age. For some babies, delaying solids longer than six months can be a good thing; for example, some doctors may recommend delaying solids for 12 months if there is a family history of allergies.
12:15:14 Host_Housepoet Reasons for delaying solids
12:15:22 Host_Housepoet Although some of the reasons listed here assume that your baby is breastfed or fed breastmilk only, experts recommend that solids be delayed for formula fed babies also.
12:15:27 Host_Housepoet # Delaying solids gives baby greater protection from illness.
12:15:30 generickat is there really a valid reason why i should start at 4 months? besides good fatty christmas food lol not really i might as well hold off another 2 months and make sure he is absolutely ready
12:15:33 Host_Housepoet Delaying solids gives baby's digestive system time to mature.
12:15:35 downundermum does anyone else here believe in letting baby self wean?
12:15:38 Host_Housepoet Delaying solids decreases the risk of food allergies.
12:15:45 TurboClaudia as i said, it is a wonderful ideal and  a solid guideline, but i do believe every baby is different and individual circumstances need to be taken into account
12:15:48 Mod_ariana downundermum Ummmm YES
12:15:49 Host_Housepoet Delaying solids helps to protect baby from iron-deficiency anemia.
12:16:00 Host_Housepoet and the kicker
12:16:01 Host_Housepoet Delaying solids helps to protect baby from future obesity.
12:16:04 grypx does delaying solids affect speech development?
12:16:07 Host_Housepoet here is the link
12:16:08 Host_Housepoet http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/solids/delay-solids.html
12:16:18 TurboClaudia yes, i have read that page
12:16:28 sugarcoated_poison_apple hello, ladies
12:16:32 Host_Housepoet hey spa!
12:16:32 TurboClaudia i have read most of the kellymom site
12:16:35 Mod_ariana TurboClaudia I agree that each baby is an individual
12:16:45 Mod_ariana and a very few will be ready for solids before 6 months
12:16:48 Host_Housepoet and you still think that babies should start solids before 6 months?
12:16:57 sugarcoated_poison_apple brb ... looks like some people are lost in another room
12:17:00 Host_Housepoet did you see the diagram on the page that I linked?
12:17:02 Host_Housepoet thanks SPA
12:17:21 Host_Housepoet Delaying solids decreases the risk of food allergies.
12:17:28 Host_Housepoet It is well documented that prolonged exclusive breastfeeding results in a lower incidence of food allergies (see Allergy References and Risks of Artificial Feeding). From birth until somewhere between four and six
12:17:32 TurboClaudia so you understand where i'm coming from, my partner's family has a history of allergies, my goal was to exculsively breastfeed our son and delay solids for as long as possible, but unfortunately we ran into some problems at age 4.5 months
12:17:41 Host_Housepoet months of age, babies possess what is often referred to as an open gut.""
12:17:47 Host_Housepoet This means that the spaces between the cells of the small intestines will readily allow intact macromolecules, including whole proteins and pathogens, to pass directly into the bloodstream.This is great for your breastfed baby as it allows beneficial antibodies in breastmilk to pass more directly into baby's bloodstream, but it also means that large proteins from other foods (which may predispose baby to allergies) and disease-causing pathogens can pass right through, too. During baby's first 4-6 months, while the gut is still open," antibodies (sIgA) from breastmilk coat baby's digestive tract and provide passive immunity, reducing the likelihood of illness and allergic reactions before gut closure occurs. Baby starts producing these antibodies on his own at around 6 months, and gut closure should have occurred by this time also. See How Breast Milk Protects Newborns and The Case for the Virgin Gut f
12:17:57 Host_Housepoet what kinds of problems did you run into
12:18:31 TurboClaudia my son was not gaining weight, increasing my milik supply worked only very little, and we chose to supplement with a combo of donated breastmilk, my own pumped milk, foritfied goat milk and solids
12:18:58 Host_Housepoet well, your situation is a very rare one and we are skeptical about giving out advice that isn't the norm
12:18:58 mindymoon strangely enough, it doesn' tlook that different in here.
12:19:01 mindymoon Hello everyone :)
12:19:06 TurboClaudia we watched him very closely when introducing foods
12:19:08 Host_Housepoet hello mindymoon
12:19:12 Host_Housepoet understableable
12:19:16 sugarcoated_poison_apple i got 'em ^_^
12:19:17 tobeborn hi all.
12:19:21 TurboClaudia how is watching your baby's cues not the norm?
12:19:29 mindymoon I promise I won't get lost next time.
12:19:30 Host_Housepoet that is not what I stated
12:19:38 Mod_ariana TurboClaudia that's a very rare circumstance
12:19:46 TurboClaudia you stated that i gave a not good recommendation""
12:19:50 Host_Housepoet I stated that introducing solids before 6 months because of supply issues is rare and not the norm
12:19:53 Host_Housepoet that is what I am saying.
12:20:05 TurboClaudia prior to that, you stated i gave a not good recommednation""
12:20:06 Mod_ariana TurboClaudia I think the thing is that you have a rare, really rare situation
12:20:09 Host_Housepoet I'm not trying to attack you here, I'm just trying to provide the women in this room with accurate information
12:20:12 TurboClaudia ok, i get it
12:20:15 TurboClaudia we disagree
12:20:23 Mod_ariana That advice is not good advice for most women
12:20:23 TurboClaudia i think i will have to go now
12:20:26 Host_Housepoet precicsly
12:20:39 Host_Housepoet thanks for coming by
12:20:39 TurboClaudia my son is demanding my attention and obviously my experience is not welcome here
12:20:41 TurboClaudia thank you all
12:20:44 TurboClaudia have a nice chat
12:20:45 Host_Housepoet no one said that
12:20:47 Host_Housepoet please
12:20:51 Host_Housepoet oh gawd
12:20:56 grypx hehehe
12:21:06 Host_Housepoet please don't mind that woman ladies
12:21:07 batty yikes.
12:21:17 Host_Housepoet she was gving out advice that was good in most cases
12:21:30 Host_Housepoet well. I don't like misinformation, and her situation was rare.
12:21:33 grypx I have a question about delaying solids?
12:21:37 Host_Housepoet HAHAH
12:21:38 generickat sorry for leaving like that mozilla messed up.
12:21:42 Host_Housepoet it's ok
12:21:52 Host_Housepoet are you serious  grypx
12:21:54 Host_Housepoet ;)
12:21:58 grypx yes
12:22:00 Host_Housepoet ok shoot
12:22:09 sugarcoated_poison_apple ongz you disagree qwith me on something, so i'll just take off cuz u r so evile ...
12:22:16 Host_Housepoet SPA you know it
12:22:16 mindymoon hehe
12:22:25 grypx I was wondering if waiting too long would cause problems with speech or swallowing later?
12:22:27 grypx hahaha
12:22:37 sugarcoated_poison_apple please excuse typos ... it;s horrendously cold in here and i'm wearing gloves to type
12:22:40 Host_Housepoet hhmmm
12:22:44 Host_Housepoet that one I have never heard of
12:22:53 mindymoon You should cut the fingers of your gloves off.
12:22:54 Host_Housepoet if you want to check out thsi link
12:22:55 Host_Housepoet http://www.kellymom.com/nutrition/solids/delay-solids.html
12:22:57 grypx me either, but my mom is all over me
12:23:01 Host_Housepoet it's about delyaing solids
12:23:19 mindymoon Sorry... I know that's OT, but on that subject at least, I'm an expert.  Get cloth stretchy gloves and cut the fingertips off.
12:23:22 sugarcoated_poison_apple i know a lot of people don./t really start solids until about a year when they're breastfeeding, and their kids do ok
12:23:26 Host_Housepoet I didn't see in my reading a connection between speech issues and solid delays
12:23:37 newmom hi, i'm reletively new here,
12:23:44 Host_Housepoet greetings newmom
12:23:51 tobeborn hi newmom, im new here too
12:23:54 sugarcoated_poison_apple i;'m planning on knitting myself some fingerless gloves but i've got a lot of other stuff to knit first. *lol*
12:23:55 Host_Housepoet grypx have you done any research on the net?
12:23:55 therealocelot if you wait till the kid is 10, you might have a problem
12:23:58 Host_Housepoet hi tobeborn
12:24:03 grypx I had my mom telling me she would never learn how to eat if I waited - it sounded crazy but I was nervous
12:24:04 tobeborn hello
12:24:06 Host_Housepoet haha therealocelot
12:24:07 generickat I have another question. I want to make my own baby food. i read before that you just mix breastmilk with it in the blender...but, my mom said that it wouldn't absorb very well and we should just use water...has anyone experienced mixing it with breastmilk
12:24:22 grypx I've been reading about the benefits, but I haven't looked for negatives
12:24:22 Host_Housepoet I used to mix avocado with bm
12:24:22 sugarcoated_poison_apple breast milk would be fine
12:24:27 Host_Housepoet but my son didn't like it much
12:24:32 batty generickat i mix everything with BM
12:24:43 Host_Housepoet I didn't do the whole ebm and food mixture
12:24:45 generickat do you just use a blender
12:24:52 generickat or do you handmix?
12:24:57 Host_Housepoet see that is another issue with starting solids early
12:25:14 sugarcoated_poison_apple i mean, when you buy baby cereal it says to mix with formula or milk ... and i've mixed my milk with carrots, sweet potatoes, anything. it mixes in as well as any other liquid
12:25:15 Host_Housepoet if you 'have' to mix BM with food just to get the baby to eat it, then baby is saying 'im not ready for this flavour'
12:25:39 batty agreed housepoet
12:25:58 generickat i read before not to feed your kid cereal if you breastfeed. is this true ?
12:26:02 batty i use the blender
12:26:05 sugarcoated_poison_apple sometimes you have to thin things to thew right consistency tho, and breast milk adds nutrition that water wouldn't
12:26:11 Host_Housepoet I didn't do rice cereal
12:26:18 Host_Housepoet because it's just a filler
12:26:18 newmom i was unsuccessful at breastfeeding and had to switch to formula milk, my daughter is 5 months and is taking 9oz bottles and 2 spoonfeeds a day, and she is thriving
12:26:24 Host_Housepoet it has no nutritional calue
12:26:29 batty rice cereal is the nutritional equivalent of cardboard. heh
12:26:36 ham_bone I think I am in the right place now!
12:26:38 ham_bone :)
12:26:49 Host_Housepoet hi  ham_bone
12:26:55 batty howdy ham_bone
12:26:56 generickat so skipping it wouldn't be a sin?
12:26:56 ham_bone hi! How are you doing
12:27:05 Host_Housepoet good good
12:27:07 Host_Housepoet no it wouldn't
12:27:09 sugarcoated_poison_apple you don't really need cereal ... they mostly recommend it because of the iron content, because with formula babies you rally need to make sure they get enough iron. iron is highly bioavailable in breast milk though, and anemia in breastfed infants is incre
12:27:11 batty generickat; i dont give boog cereal either. its pointless
12:27:14 Host_Housepoet see a lot of our moms did do rice cereal
12:27:14 tobeborn i plan on skipping cereal
12:27:18 Host_Housepoet and they tell us to do it too
12:27:25 ham_bone I am skipping cereal as well
12:27:31 ham_bone I don't see the reason for it
12:27:33 Host_Housepoet bc they dont want to feel like they didn't do any thing wrong with us
12:27:38 batty because we were fed formula
12:27:52 Host_Housepoet that's like the main reason a lot of older moms, our moms, and us disagree
12:27:58 newmom my daughter eats apple and strawberry baby rice that is gluten free
12:28:06 batty my mom asked me when i was going to start giving boog vitamins
12:28:08 Host_Housepoet they take us, bfing, co-sleeping, and the like, as an insult
12:28:10 ham_bone My mom said she started feeding us table scraps""
12:28:11 batty i'm all why?""
12:28:15 sugarcoated_poison_apple amorette got oatmeal and barley cereals, just while i was working (at the sitter's) ... she's never had the rice. *lol* i just sent it with her because i got it free from wic, and right now i'm just accumulating boxes of it that will go to the food pantry
12:28:16 Host_Housepoet bc we didn't do it the SAME way they did ;)
12:28:39 Host_Housepoet right.
12:28:45 Host_Housepoet sorry to go off on that mom tangent
12:28:46 Host_Housepoet hehe
12:28:53 Host_Housepoet so it's true. Rice cereal is all process
12:28:56 generickat lol yea my mom is so mad about us co-sleeping
12:28:56 ham_bone I get cereal for free from wic too and I don't know what I am going to do with it. I was thinking about donating it to a shelter
12:29:02 Host_Housepoet you should
12:29:04 generickat she's like put him in the crib
12:29:04 Host_Housepoet definetly
12:29:07 generickat you're spoiling him!
12:29:08 Host_Housepoet eep
12:29:12 batty i have to say, though, that my mom's really supportive of my bf and now that she knows what i've told her she regrets stopping with me. but christ, that was 32 years ago, i cant really blame her for that
12:29:13 Host_Housepoet well not everyone colseeps and that's ok
12:29:16 ham_bone NO spoiling the baby
12:29:23 ham_bone I cannot convince my husband to co -sleep
12:29:23 Host_Housepoet oh man my mom too  batty
12:29:24 sugarcoated_poison_apple there are recipes out there for making teething cookies with baby cereal, too
12:29:30 ham_bone in his defense he is a heavy sleeper
12:29:31 generickat lol my husband loves co-sleeping
12:29:34 generickat he is my backbone
12:29:39 ham_bone though I would put her on my side
12:29:40 tobeborn we love co sleeping too
12:29:50 batty brb
12:29:51 generickat he loves that i breastfeed and he tells EVERYONE about it
12:29:51 newmom what are teething cookies?
12:30:01 ham_bone Good for your husband
12:30:02 generickat oh yea i had a question about teething cookies as well
12:30:05 Host_Housepoet teething cookies
12:30:09 Host_Housepoet processed
12:30:10 ham_bone I love when people are proud about breastfeeding
12:30:11 Host_Housepoet ;)
12:30:15 Host_Housepoet me too.
12:30:27 Host_Housepoet yes, teething cookies are proccessed food as well.
12:30:28 ham_bone I just wished that more everyday people around me breastfed
12:30:32 generickat trey is teething...mom said to get him the bisquits
12:30:33 tobeborn me too
12:30:34 generickat are they safe?
12:30:36 sugarcoated_poison_apple you know, like you can buy the gerber biter biscuits ... some people pregfer to make their own things
12:30:42 Host_Housepoet I didn't do them
12:30:50 Host_Housepoet we just did a wet wash cloth in the freezer
12:30:53 Host_Housepoet and let him chew on that
12:30:53 newmom i have never heard oft them
12:30:56 tobeborn going to LLL meetings is the only time im around other bf moms
12:31:06 Host_Housepoet you can also make your own so you know what ingredients are going in them
12:31:16 Host_Housepoet but basically they have no nutritional value
12:31:17 ham_bone really?
12:31:29 generickat we don't have an active LLL in houston...pretty pitiful. I've only met one other mom in houston that breastfeeds. and that's from livejournal
12:31:37 generickat i know lots of mom's but, they ALL formula feed
12:31:43 Host_Housepoet you can start your own supprt group  generickat
12:31:48 sugarcoated_poison_apple Host_Housepoet i mentioned using rice cereal to make teething cookies, that's why it was brought up
12:31:50 Host_Housepoet we don't have one here in Santa Barbara
12:31:54 newmom is anyone else here from the uk?
12:31:59 Host_Housepoet oh that's what you used it for?
12:32:02 Host_Housepoet do tell do tell!
12:32:05 Host_Housepoet I'd love to see that recipe
12:32:06 sugarcoated_poison_apple i've never been to lll ... my mom used to go when she had me tho (23 years ago)
12:32:12 generickat my best friend in as labor and delivery nurse
12:32:15 Host_Housepoet maybe you could post it in bfing and we'll put it in the memories
12:32:18 generickat and she's so pro formula it's insane
12:32:24 tobeborn ick
12:32:25 Host_Housepoet oh that's sad
12:32:26 Host_Housepoet I'm sorry
12:32:33 ham_bone my family was pro formula too
12:32:37 Host_Housepoet There are lots of natural family communitys on LJ
12:32:41 generickat she said at Texas Women's hospital which is the biggest delivery hospital in houston 2/15 Mom's breastfeed
12:32:41 Host_Housepoet naturalfamily is a good one
12:32:50 Host_Housepoet that might be a good place to ask for teething cookie recipes
12:32:51 generickat and out of that 2 only 1 will do it longer then 6 weeks generally
12:32:51 ham_bone that is sad
12:32:52 sugarcoated_poison_apple i'm so lucky, my mom breastfed me and my 3 siblings
12:32:59 tobeborn thats so sad
12:33:04 Host_Housepoet hey guys, keep chatting, I'll brb dipe
12:33:08 tobeborn my mom bf me and my 5 siblings
12:33:20 ham_bone my mom did not breastfeed me, but I think she was supportive of my decision to BF, though my dad was not
12:33:24 generickat my mom breastfed my older brother
12:33:26 generickat but, not me
12:33:28 tobeborn she pumped for me when i was in nicu
12:33:32 mindymoon I am seriously concerned about this story regarding the woman breastfeeding on a UA flight.
12:33:38 mindymoon not to change the subject or anything
12:33:38 sugarcoated_poison_apple she cut me off at 13 months, but she's regretted it ever since. my sisters and brothers were all nursed for between 2 and 3 years
12:33:41 ham_bone what story
12:33:46 mindymoon but I have to fly on Monday and I want to know what my rights are.
12:33:54 sugarcoated_poison_apple mindymoon i hadn't heard about that, do tell
12:33:54 tobeborn i'll be flying soon too
12:33:56 generickat did you hear about the woman that breastfed her woman in houston after she did a line of cocaine and it killed the woman
12:34:00 generickat it happened like 2 weeks ago
12:34:03 generickat and was all over our news
12:34:05 ham_bone yes I heard about that
12:34:07 mindymoon Am I risking being banned from flight so that I can't return next week?
12:34:08 ham_bone very sad
12:34:15 mindymoon if I refuse to cover up or go to the bathroom?
12:34:21 mindymoon I am googling like crazy,
12:34:25 grypx nope
12:34:34 mindymoon From what I can tell, the law was on her side, but company policy" might not be."
12:34:38 therealocelot call them and ask
12:34:41 Host_Housepoet mindymoon I swa that too
12:34:46 Host_Housepoet I was going to bring that up in the chat
12:34:49 Host_Housepoet thanks for bringing it up
12:34:54 mindymoon Yeah, therealoct, I know that's an option
12:34:56 Host_Housepoet here is the link everyone
12:34:57 Host_Housepoet http://www.eurekareporter.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?ArticleID=6464
12:35:03 therealocelot and possibly say that you'll cancel your flight rather than risk being banned
12:35:09 therealocelot even if it isn't true :)
12:35:14 mindymoon but what the man at the Info counter at AA central tells you and what the woman serving you your bag of peanuts tells you are two completely different things
12:35:40 grypx omg- I've seen people breastfeed on planes, I didn't even know people took issue
12:35:40 tobeborn i cant imagine bf in an airlane bathroom
12:35:44 mindymoon No, there... that wouldn't work.  They overbook flights on purpose this season.  They'd be delighted to have the three seats open up without having to issue a refund.
12:36:10 Host_Housepoet it's odd, I don't know what people would want more a screaming baby who's ears are popping, or a quiet one nursing.
12:36:17 tobeborn seriuosly....
12:36:31 tobeborn i dont get it
12:36:47 sugarcoated_poison_apple omgz breastfeeding involves BOOBS but not a man, it's unsightly
12:36:59 therealocelot does the ACLU handle breastfeeding cases?
12:37:06 therealocelot just curious
12:37:09 Host_Housepoet that I'm not sure about
12:37:14 sugarcoated_poison_apple what if you drip milk in the aisle and the flight attendant slips?
12:37:17 Host_Housepoet that would be something we would have to look into
12:37:22 Host_Housepoet SPA!
12:37:24 Host_Housepoet haahahah
12:37:25 mindymoon In my googling,
12:37:30 sugarcoated_poison_apple heehee\
12:37:39 mindymoon I discovered that United Airlines, the airline in question, is also the official airline" of the LLLI"
12:37:45 tobeborn no way!
12:37:46 mindymoon which struck me as really silly
12:37:54 mindymoon Does the LLLI have something to say about this?
12:37:56 sugarcoated_poison_apple yeah, what the fork?
12:38:02 mindymoon sigh.
12:38:40 ham_bone dang
12:38:44 Host_Housepoet ohhhhhhhh
12:38:48 Host_Housepoet the LLL needs to know about this
12:38:49 ham_bone I can't believe some people
12:38:59 Host_Housepoet They have a policy to not work with people who are against bfing
12:39:01 magdalene74 hiyas
12:39:03 ham_bone what is the big deal? Oh NOES...not boobs
12:39:04 Host_Housepoet it's a conflict of interest
12:39:06 sugarcoated_poison_apple hi marie!
12:39:21 Host_Housepoet I'm calling Carrie from ProMom right now
12:39:25 magdalene74 hiya, how ya doin today?
12:39:36 Host_Housepoet she's a LLL leader and the national direcotr of Promom
12:39:37 magdalene74 im still foaming over that whole breastfeeding on airlines thing..
12:39:44 mindymoon I'm calling AA at the moment
12:39:50 tobeborn yay!
12:39:52 ham_bone alright ladies - I know this was quick for me - but I need to run
12:39:53 magdalene74 newmom.. start when the baby wants to quit
12:39:54 magdalene74 heh.
12:39:57 ham_bone everyone have a nice day
12:40:05 magdalene74 seeya hambone
12:40:06 sugarcoated_poison_apple bye  ham_bone , take care
12:40:54 magdalene74 did anyone else see that newmom thing or is my computer imagining things again?
12:41:06 tobeborn i saw it
12:41:27 grypx i didn't
12:41:29 magdalene74 well good, nice to know im not totally loosing it ;)
12:42:00 sugarcoated_poison_apple i didn't
12:42:11 magdalene74 asdfjkl;.
12:42:12 magdalene74 heh
12:42:17 sugarcoated_poison_apple but then, i lost it years ago ... hehe
12:42:23 magdalene74 ::grin::\
12:42:27 Xavier Hey everyone
12:42:34 grypx ohhh I had another solids question
12:42:34 magdalene74 Hey xavier..
12:42:34 sugarcoated_poison_apple hi  Xavier
12:42:38 tobeborn hi
12:42:44 magdalene74 btw, i hate xes... they are so hard to hit LOL
12:42:47 sugarcoated_poison_apple yes,  grypx
12:42:52 Xavier Noel called me in on this, and she says I'm the coolest chick in teh whole world :)
12:42:58 mindymoon I'm still on the phone with American.  They say that they don't think they have any set policies regarding breastfeeding.
12:43:08 Host_Housepoet ok
12:43:12 Host_Housepoet that you are my dear
12:43:13 Xavier Actually I'm a LLL Leader as well as the Executive Director for ProMoM
12:43:15 Host_Housepoet everyone this is Carrie
12:43:15 magdalene74 well shoot i told ya what to do mindy
12:43:19 mindymoon I asked her to check with a supervisor to make sure that I would not receive the same abominable treatment that the woman on their competitor receivied.
12:43:25 Host_Housepoet SHe's the head chick at promom and a great LLL leader in Atlanta
12:43:27 sugarcoated_poison_apple well if they don't have a set policy, no one can make you stop
12:43:29 Host_Housepoet she's also my friend. :)
12:43:32 Xavier Awww :)
12:43:42 mindymoon See, sugar, you say that
12:43:49 grypx there was an article a few months ago that recommended feeding children the food you eat, but shoudl I still start one food at a time?
12:43:52 grypx it confused me
12:43:53 mindymoon but have you ever seen what happens when a passenger argues with an attendant?
12:44:02 sugarcoated_poison_apple yeah, i know ... in principal it works, but if they start being bitchy it all goes downhill
12:44:04 mindymoon The other passengers get nervous and irate with you.
12:44:05 therealocelot mindymoon - get names, too, and record the time of your call
12:44:20 sugarcoated_poison_apple actually no, the few times i've flown were uneventful
12:44:31 Host_Housepoet Do laws still hold up when you're flying in the air
12:44:36 magdalene74 definately feed one food at a time..
12:44:44 mindymoon They should, housepoet
12:44:47 magdalene74 that way you know what caused a reaction if there is one..
12:44:51 Host_Housepoet say you're flying from atlanta to LA are you protected by both NIP laws while in the air?
12:44:58 magdalene74 otherwise you end up trying to eliminate whole groups of things..
12:45:07 sugarcoated_poison_apple grypx ... yes, a lot of the foods we eat are ok for babies, and you should follow the same guideline of introducing one thing at a time to watch for sensitivities.
12:45:14 grypx that's what I was worried about - I got really confused as to what the article was saying
12:45:18 grypx ok thank you!
12:45:29 Host_Housepoet grypx how old is your bebe now?
12:45:44 magdalene74 I think you fall under the laws of the originating city till you land in the destination city
12:45:46 grypx 4 months - I want to delay till 12 months, but I'm curious
12:45:48 sugarcoated_poison_apple my baby's first food was sweet potatoes ... she was a week past 6 months old, and we steamed her sweet potato chunks and let her go to town on it. she had a blast.
12:45:53 Xavier Grypx I definitely recommend Super Baby Food" if you haven't already yet.  It's a great reference and resource"
12:46:04 grypx I'm getting it for christmas :)
12:46:17 Xavier I think Mag is right about that.  I can double check though.  Got a friend who works for Delta
12:46:30 Xavier calling now
12:46:57 sugarcoated_poison_apple