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12:02:10 |
Host_Housepoet |
OFFICIAL START OF THE
BREASTFEEDINGISNORMAL.ORG CHAT! WELCOME!
MY NAME IS NOEL AND I AM YOUR HOSTESS
TODAY! ARIANA IS MY RIGHT HAND WOMAN,
AND SPA IS MY LEFT. THIS CHAT IS
TRANSCRIPTED AND POSTED ON THE SUNDAY
FOLLOWING THIS CHAT...PLEASE KEEP THAT
IN MIND WHEN POSTING TO THIS CHAT. THANK
YOU! :) |
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12:02:32 |
Host_Housepoet |
In the article found here: |
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12:02:37 |
Host_Housepoet |
http://www.eurekareporter.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?ArticleID=6464 |
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12:02:45 |
Host_Housepoet |
I found the woman on the plane name. I
did a google search and came across a
website where her name was listed as the
VP of a parents association for a
preschool. |
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12:02:51 |
Host_Housepoet |
I sent a heartfelt email to the
preschool asking them to forward my
email to Mrs. Tetrault. |
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12:02:56 |
galadriel2006 |
ok |
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12:02:59 |
galadriel2006 |
what happened? |
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12:03:01 |
Host_Housepoet |
Greetings, This email may come
completely out of the ordinary, but I am
hoping that you can help me out. My name
is Noel Pickett. I am not a reporter or
a member of the news media. I am simply
a breastfeeding mother who runs an
organization that supports a mother and
child's right to nurse in public. My
website is called
breastfeedingisnormal.org. |
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12:03:07 |
Host_Housepoet |
Recently I came across this article
regarding a woman named K.K. Tetrault,
who is a resident of Eureka, being asked
to stop nursing her baby on an American
Airlines flight.:
http://www.eurekareporter.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?ArticleID=6464 |
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12:03:15 |
Host_Housepoet |
After putting her name into a google
search, I came across your website,
where it appears that Mrs. Tetrault is
the Vice President of the of the board
of directors. I wanted to get in contact
with Mrs. Tetrault to see if she would
like to speak with me regarding the
situation as well as offer up any
assistance in filing a grievance or any
support that she might need. I have a
database of thousands of nursing mothers
and supportive fathers and family
members who are appalled at the
treatment Mrs. Tetrault received. The
other organizations that I work with
have started letter writing campaigns
and have actually gotten another airline
to change their policy regarding
breastfeeding on board the plane. |
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12:03:23 |
Host_Housepoet |
We cannot act however without Mrs.
Tetrault blessing. I implore you to
forward this email to her and encourage
her to get in contact with me when she
feels comfortable. If anything, please
pass the word along to her that she is
not alone. There are millions of
breastfeeding supporters standing ready
to defend her and her child's right to
nurse when ever, where ever. If the
K.K Mrs. Tetrault is not the same woman
in this article that I have referenced,
please disregard my email and accept my
sincere apologies. Kind Regards,
Noel Pickett
http://breastfeedingisnormal.org |
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12:03:38 |
Host_Housepoet |
They wrote me back right away and said
that they would forward the email on to
her. |
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12:03:45 |
Host_Housepoet |
While I was waiting to hear from Mrs
Tetrault, I spoke with the national
director of Promom, the advocacy site
that is known for their 3 minute
activist emails that anyone can fill out
and send in support of a wide variety of
breastfeeding causes. Promom’s 3MA
worked so well once that they got
JetBlue to retrain their inflight staff
regarding breastfeeding mothers. I knew
that Promom and BFIN could work together
to make something happen for this woman. |
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12:05:01 |
mod_ariana |
That's so awesome! |
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12:05:18 |
galadriel2006 |
excellent! |
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12:05:24 |
downundermum |
hi all |
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12:05:52 |
Host_Housepoet |
She then called me the next day. We
spoke for a while and said how touched
she was that I reached out to help her
like this. SHe knew something had to be
done. I got her in touch with Carrie
from promom right away and after a great
conversation Mrs. Tetrault. gave her
blessing for promom to go ahead with the
3MA. RIGHT AFTER they got off the
phone Mrs. Tetrault.got a phone call
from the Head of Public relations at the
airline. He stated that the employee had
been put on Admin. Leave and they were
going to retrain their employees on how
to deal with a situation like hers. He
apologized greatly to her. |
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12:05:54 |
tobeborn |
darn it i have to go |
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12:06:17 |
mwalton |
excellent! |
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12:06:17 |
sugarcoated_poison_apple |
oh, total awesomeness |
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12:06:20 |
Host_Housepoet |
so |
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12:06:36 |
Host_Housepoet |
There is a press realease about it |
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12:06:43 |
mwalton |
(glad to hear it too as I'm flying
United to San Diego in January) |
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12:06:56 |
Host_Housepoet |
Carrie from promom is going to forwrad
it to me |
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12:07:09 |
Host_Housepoet |
and she is also going to set up a 3MA
thank you email to the airline |
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12:07:16 |
Host_Housepoet |
that we will all sign and send off |
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12:07:33 |
Host_Housepoet |
their policy is to offer a blanket to
the mother if a passanger complains |
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12:07:35 |
galadriel2006 |
that's so wonderful! |
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12:07:47 |
Host_Housepoet |
then if she doesn't want it, they will
ask the offended passenger to MOVE TO
ANOTHER SEAT |
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12:07:53 |
Host_Housepoet |
not the mom |
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12:08:12 |
sugarcoated_poison_apple |
that's awesome |
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12:08:14 |
therealocelot |
does the lameass phone answering person
from last week who said that her airline
didn't have an official policy, but tht
she'd personally complain about someone
breastfeeding get put on admin. leave
too? |
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12:08:17 |
mwalton |
now that's excellent! |
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12:08:37 |
kittn |
good deal |
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12:08:38 |
Host_Housepoet |
that I don't know |
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12:08:43 |
Host_Housepoet |
so WE didn't have to do anything |
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12:08:54 |
Host_Housepoet |
Carrie said that the letter was from
their LAWYER. |
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12:09:02 |
kittn |
all of these poor women who are made to
feel less than just because they do what
is right for their child |
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12:09:03 |
Host_Housepoet |
so they knew that they were dealing with
some serious biz |
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12:09:19 |
Mama_K |
awesome! |
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12:09:39 |
downundermum |
that happens all the time but kittn!! |
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12:09:56 |
kittn |
i know down, it really just makes me sad |
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12:10:07 |
kittn |
i dont understand society now |
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12:10:22 |
heffalump |
what have i missed? |
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12:10:25 |
galadriel2006 |
i'm so proud of them |
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12:10:35 |
doulasteph |
hello ladies! |
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12:10:38 |
kittn |
you can have an add with a half naked
irl on during prime time, but heven
forbit there is a nursing mom around |
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12:10:42 |
downundermum |
i know kittn makes me mad |
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12:11:14 |
kittn |
my typic is horrid |
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12:11:19 |
kittn |
one handed nak |
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12:11:36 |
downundermum |
same lol |
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12:11:38 |
doulasteph |
me 2, 1 handed today! |
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12:11:44 |
kittn |
sam feels yucky so boobie to the rescue
it would seem |
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12:11:49 |
heffalump |
Im pretty lucky here. the hospital i
delivered at and our public health
office is pro breastfeeding. |
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12:12:08 |
kittn |
i didnt give my hospital a choice |
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12:12:10 |
downundermum |
:nak: |
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12:12:10 |
galadriel2006 |
don't worry about it, we're al good at
deciphering NAK typing errors |
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12:12:16 |
kittn |
i was very... insistant |
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12:12:21 |
Host_Housepoet |
I have Mrs Tetrault on the phone |
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12:12:27 |
Host_Housepoet |
and I'm trying to get here into the chat |
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12:12:36 |
galadriel2006 |
cool! |
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12:12:41 |
silverandgold |
wow! |
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12:12:42 |
kittn |
yeah! |
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12:12:43 |
doulasteph |
thats good heff. My PHN was not
friendly when i had my first 13 years
ago! |
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12:12:49 |
heffalump |
well they dont even try to make you give
the baby formula at my hospital which
was a plus. |
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12:12:51 |
kittn |
phn? |
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12:13:13 |
mod_ariana |
http://www.livejournal.com/community/breastfeeding/1932610.html?#cutid1 |
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12:13:14 |
doulasteph |
public health nurse |
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12:13:15 |
heffalump |
there is signs all over the public
health office about breastfeeding.. and
at the hospital a big huge poster called
baby jeopardy. |
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12:13:18 |
mod_ariana |
Did those of you on LJ see this? |
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12:13:33 |
heffalump |
the answer to all the questions in baby
jeopardy is breastfeeding. |
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12:13:39 |
mod_ariana |
I'll C&P the info for those not in the
community |
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12:13:41 |
kittn |
i went into the hospitalwith 5000000
copies of my birth plan and nursery care
plan |
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12:13:42 |
mod_ariana |
This morning, the Public Health Council
approved revisions to Massachusetts'
Hospital Licensure Regulations for
Maternal and Newborn Services that
prohibit the direct marketing of
commercial formula materials to mothers,
including the distribution of commercial
formula discharge bags. The revised
regulations also include additional
provisions to strengthen breastfeeding
education and support in the hospital
setting. Thanks to all of you who
assisted and supported the Department
during this revision process. We hope
you are as excited as we are about these
important changes! In the near future,
the Department will be providing
additional information and guidance to
hospitals to help put these policies
into place. |
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12:13:49 |
heffalump |
i did |
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12:13:56 |
mod_ariana |
Isn't that wonderful |
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12:13:58 |
doulasteph |
brb |
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12:14:04 |
galadriel2006 |
oh yeah! |
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12:14:10 |
heffalump |
thats good. |
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12:14:45 |
galadriel2006 |
i'm so glad that the next peanut we have
will get born at home (barring problems) |
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12:14:56 |
galadriel2006 |
then i don't have to deal with the
formula pushing |
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12:15:04 |
kittn |
thats great |
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12:15:09 |
downundermum |
my last 3 have been home births |
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12:15:17 |
mod_ariana |
Both hospitals where I gave birth were
really good |
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12:15:19 |
kittn |
down- you are so lucky |
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12:15:27 |
mod_ariana |
I did get the formula bag with the first
one |
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12:15:29 |
doulasteph |
I'm trying 2 alk dhinto sopporing my
being a surrogate |
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12:15:36 |
mod_ariana |
but that was the only formula pushing |
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12:15:39 |
heffalump |
im so glad i dont have to worry about
it.. they didnt send me home with
anything. |
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12:15:41 |
galadriel2006 |
my first two were in the hospital and
they pretty much sucked |
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12:15:53 |
kittn |
all 3 have been hospital births |
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12:16:01 |
doulasteph |
lol, 1 handed typing |
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12:16:09 |
heffalump |
I'd love to have a home birth but I dont
think they'll let me have a VBAC at
home.. |
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12:16:11 |
kittn |
first was terrible, then i got
smart.*read pushy* |
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12:16:20 |
Host_Housepoet |
i'll beb |
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12:16:24 |
mod_ariana |
The second time I even overheard the
nurses acting shocked because a mom
asked for her baby to be FF over night. |
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12:16:31 |
doulasteph |
i just vbc'd at home! |
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12:16:37 |
heffalump |
really? |
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12:16:46 |
kittn |
really? |
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12:16:46 |
mod_ariana |
heffalump I've heard of lots of HBACs
(home VBACs) |
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12:16:55 |
galadriel2006 |
how close do you live to a hospital? |
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12:17:01 |
mod_ariana |
I had a hospital VBAC with a midwife |
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12:17:02 |
heffalump |
awesome i thought i was doomed to always
be at a hospital. |
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12:17:11 |
heffalump |
Im about 10 minute drive from the
hospital. |
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12:17:12 |
galadriel2006 |
oh no |
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12:17:14 |
sugarcoated_poison_apple |
my 2 were born in hospitals, the first
sucked but the 2nd was more like a birth
center and it was so much better. i want
the next to be born at hme, though,
whenever that will be |
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12:17:17 |
doulasteph |
hmmm, about 10 minutes from hosp. |
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12:17:23 |
kittn |
my area hospital has a rule if you have
c section with one its a mandated c
section from that on |
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12:17:31 |
galadriel2006 |
then you should not have a problem |
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12:17:39 |
doulasteph |
Wanna see my vbac in pics? |
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12:17:43 |
mod_ariana |
kittn that's AWFUL |
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12:17:46 |
galadriel2006 |
wow, kittn, that's terrible! |
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12:17:53 |
kittn |
its insane! |
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12:17:56 |
heffalump |
i know i can have a VBAC because i asked
the doctor as they were wheeling me into
recovery if i could have one at VGH. |
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12:18:05 |
galadriel2006 |
way to encourage maternal safety... |
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12:18:06 |
doulasteph |
its not up to the hospital! |
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12:18:18 |
heffalump |
you have pix of it? |
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12:18:26 |
doulasteph |
yup! |
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12:18:33 |
kittn |
doulasteph i agree, however its their
policy" now" |
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12:18:33 |
mod_ariana |
heffalump a VBAC is sooooo much easier
than a c-section |
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12:18:37 |
mod_ariana |
recovery is so much better |
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12:18:52 |
doulasteph |
www.picturetrail.com/doulasteph |
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12:18:54 |
heffalump |
how exciting. my friend sent me a
picture of her son being born and I got
extremely jealous. |
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12:18:54 |
sugarcoated_poison_apple |
so they'll try and force you to have
surgery that you don't want? bastards |
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12:19:01 |
galadriel2006 |
i really like the anthropology of home
birth |
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12:19:04 |
mod_ariana |
I think some hospitals have policies
against VBAC because they don't have the
staff on hand for emergency c-sections |
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12:19:06 |
kittn |
I have always dreamed of a home birth |
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12:19:10 |
galadriel2006 |
and the feminine unity thing |
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12:19:21 |
doulasteph |
kttn, I hear ya on policy. It sucks. |
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12:19:23 |
heffalump |
well mine was an emergency section.. |
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12:19:28 |
galadriel2006 |
it just seems much closer to the ideal |
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12:19:29 |
kittn |
yup SPA... i am sure you could fight it |
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12:19:37 |
kittn |
but i doubt most mothers will |
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12:19:50 |
heffalump |
i got in right away . I bumped a lady
who was waiting for a scheduled section. |
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12:19:57 |
galadriel2006 |
wow |
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12:20:05 |
galadriel2006 |
what was going wrong? |
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12:20:23 |
kittn |
perhaps ariana... these 3 near me are
pretty big hospitals.We have 14 delivery
rooms i believe |
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12:20:46 |
Host_Housepoet |
I'm trying to help Mrs Tetrault get into
the chat |
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12:20:55 |
doulasteph |
IT is technicaly illegal to turn away a
labouring woman or to refuse treatment.
That's why so many women showup in
labor, they can't turn you away or farce
a cs. We all have the riht to refuse
the recommended" course." |
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12:21:07 |
doulasteph |
Very true ariana |
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12:21:10 |
heffalump |
Im not sure how big our hospital is i
dont remember how many delivery rooms. |
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12:21:30 |
heffalump |
I know they had me in 2 different
delivery rooms. |
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12:21:51 |
doulasteph |
BUT that hospital shouldn't be
delivering any babies. Because the CS
rate is 29.1%. Anywoman has the
liklihood of a CS! |
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12:21:51 |
mod_ariana |
I delivered my second at UCLA medical
center |
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12:21:53 |
heffalump |
it hurt like hell having to walk across
the hospital when i was like 7cm dilated
i remember that much. |
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12:21:57 |
Host_Housepoet |
ME TOO |
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12:21:58 |
Host_Housepoet |
:) |
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12:22:04 |
Host_Housepoet |
Ariana and I had the same midwives |
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12:22:14 |
mod_ariana |
doulasteph that's exactly what I was
thinking. If they can't handle a VBAC
what else can't they handle |
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12:22:14 |
sugarcoated_poison_apple |
doulasteph i love your birth pictures |
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12:22:24 |
mod_ariana |
Why bother going to a hospital if they
aren't even equipped |
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12:22:31 |
heffalump |
i do as well theyre awesome. |
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12:22:34 |
kittn |
good point! |
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12:22:37 |
mod_ariana |
Host_Housepoet yes, but we had very
different experiences with them |
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12:22:44 |
Host_Housepoet |
we sure did |
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12:22:53 |
Host_Housepoet |
but they were very loving women to us |
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12:23:02 |
kittn |
my last two labors were way fast |
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12:23:07 |
Host_Housepoet |
Mrs Tetrault is having trouble getting
into the chat |
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12:23:09 |
kittn |
thank god! |
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12:23:19 |
galadriel2006 |
website can be a bit wonky |
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12:23:19 |
mod_ariana |
Maybe her computer is like my old
computer |
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12:23:26 |
mod_ariana |
it'd take FOREVER to load |
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12:23:27 |
kittn |
38 minutes, 2.5 hrs |
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12:24:03 |
heffalump |
I love that you dont have a monitor
strapped to you the whole bloody time. |
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12:24:18 |
doulasteph |
I love my birth pics. I planned
unassisted at first but dh wanted mw
just in case. |
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12:24:32 |
doulasteph |
heff, do you belong to |
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12:24:41 |
heffalump |
i was stuck in a bed with a monitor
strapped to me from when they started
the induction til my water broke 7 hours
later..then they let me off for an hour
and i was back on the monitor for the
remainder. |
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12:24:46 |
atordoff |
Is this the breastfeeding advocacy
group? |
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12:24:50 |
sugarcoated_poison_apple |
my labor with angie was slow ... but
then, they just kinda let me sit around
and when i'd been in active labor for
something like 16 or 17 hours they told
me that since i was progressing so
slowly, they'd either have to give me a
c-section because i would be too tired
to push when it was time ... or i'd need
an epidural so i could get some rest |
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12:24:52 |
doulasteph |
whoops www.ican-online.org |
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12:24:52 |
galadriel2006 |
yes |
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12:24:54 |
galadriel2006 |
this is |
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12:25:04 |
mod_ariana |
atordoff yes it's a Breastfeeding group |
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12:25:08 |
kittn |
heff - that does not sound fun |
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12:25:14 |
mod_ariana |
but it's a casual chat today and
sometimes we get off topic. ;) |
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12:25:16 |
Host_Housepoet |
SPA I had a similar exp[erience |
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12:25:22 |
mod_ariana |
Though a good birth makes breastfeedign
easier |
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12:25:39 |
doulasteph |
brb |
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12:25:46 |
kittn |
SPA they said that? |
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12:25:47 |
heffalump |
it really wasnt fun. I couldnt try
pushing in any different positions which
is why i think i had a section. |
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12:26:12 |
sugarcoated_poison_apple |
i took the epidural ... and i didn't
realize until i was pregnant with
amorette and learned more that the
epidural medication was probably the
reason that angie had trouble whe we
started nursing. she was super drowsy
and couldn't latch for the first few
days |
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12:26:26 |
kittn |
heff , that must have been difficult |
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12:26:43 |
heffalump |
by the time they said section I had
given up hope so i said ok. |
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12:27:01 |
sugarcoated_poison_apple |
kittn, yes they did. i was 19 and
freaked out, and i didn't know any
better. if they had gotten me walking
around instead of letting me sit in bed
practically the whole time, my labor
would have actually moved along |
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12:27:20 |
heffalump |
after 2 hours of pushing and my mum
asking the doctor if i could have a
section when the doctor asked if i
wanted one i said ok. |
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12:27:25 |
atordoff |
OK I waswondering if you would be
discusing the incident of the woman who
was asked to stop nursing while
in-flight? |
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12:27:25 |
galadriel2006 |
that's really bad |
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12:27:33 |
kittn |
SPA, oh man... i had my first at 17 and
that took 33 hrs |
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12:27:39 |
Host_Housepoet |
atordoff yes we are |
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12:27:49 |
Host_Housepoet |
we're just waiting for her to come into
that chat |
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12:27:55 |
Host_Housepoet |
I'm on the phone with her right now |
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12:27:56 |
heffalump |
I read that how awful. |
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12:28:01 |
Host_Housepoet |
helping her get in the chatroom |
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12:28:05 |
kittn |
that mut have been tough for you SPA |
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12:28:23 |
doulasteph |
Im back. HEff, did you see my
question?" |
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12:28:30 |
heffalump |
which one? |
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12:28:34 |
atordoff |
OK I'll wait! |
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12:28:39 |
Host_Housepoet |
it will just be a moment |
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12:28:48 |
heffalump |
thanks housepoet. |
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12:28:48 |
mod_ariana |
heffalump ican is AWESOME |
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12:28:56 |
heffalump |
i'm looking at it now. |
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12:29:02 |
mod_ariana |
I don't know that I'd have ever been
able to do my VBAC without them |
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12:29:12 |
sugarcoated_poison_apple |
yeah, it sucked. at the time i thought
they were just doing what was best" ...
i had read up on some things, but not
enough, so i didn't know how crappy it
was of them to bully me into an epidural
by threatening me with a section" |
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12:29:14 |
heffalump |
I wasnt aware they existed. |
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12:29:28 |
Mama_K |
aww those birthday photos brought tears
to my eyes |
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12:29:31 |
doulasteph |
ITs a shame tht we are conditioned to be
good girls" and to"listen to our docs"
instead of listening to our babies and
our bodies first ad foremost." |
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12:29:42 |
kittn |
SPA- we live and learn |
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12:29:53 |
Mama_K |
I see photos like that I I want to have
another |
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12:29:55 |
doulasteph |
Heff, I asked if you belong to ICAN.
IT's a great cs support. |
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12:29:58 |
kittn |
one would hope that being the
professionals tyey wouldnt do those
things |
|
12:30:16 |
heffalump |
I love my mother to pieces but I think
that next time i want someone else with
me for the birth. because she kinda put
c-section in my mind. |
|
12:30:21 |
Mama_K |
I think I'll continue studying midwifery
instead :) |
|
12:30:23 |
downundermum |
kittn lol right! |
|
12:30:35 |
heffalump |
she wasnt really helping me to not do it
and she thinks i'll just always have
sections. |
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12:30:47 |
sugarcoated_poison_apple |
me second was born with no drugs, didn't
even have my water broken. i was up and
moving, sat on an exercise ball (awesome
things, those), and spent some time in a
tub with jacuzzi jets ... labor lasted
maybe about 6 hours tops, and i coped
with it so much better. |
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12:31:02 |
kittn |
heff... you need people with you that
support what you want, labor is hard |
|
12:31:05 |
doulasteph |
HEff, where are you located? |
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12:31:09 |
Host_Housepoet |
EVERYONE! |
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12:31:11 |
Host_Housepoet |
YO |
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12:31:12 |
heffalump |
in BC, Canada |
|
12:31:16 |
kittn |
hello |
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12:31:22 |
Host_Housepoet |
SAY HELLO TO KK |
|
12:31:24 |
heffalump |
get her? |
|
12:31:25 |
Host_Housepoet |
Mrs Tetrault |
|
12:31:26 |
Mama_K |
second is much much easier, I went from
my first being a 28 hour labor to my
second being a 5 hour labor |
|
12:31:30 |
kittn |
hi KK |
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12:31:32 |
doulasteph |
Hi KK! |
|
12:31:35 |
silverandgold |
Hello! |
|
12:31:36 |
heffalump |
hi! |
|
12:31:40 |
Mama_K |
Good morning and welcome KK |
|
12:31:40 |
mod_ariana |
Hello! |
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12:31:42 |
atordoff |
hi! |
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12:31:43 |
mod_ariana |
good to have you here |
|
12:31:43 |
sugarcoated_poison_apple |
i read a lot about home birth even
though i knew i couldn't have one (due
to where i was living) and i trusted my
body and just let it work, and relaxed
into the contrations ... it was amazing |
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12:31:53 |
Host_Housepoet |
KK Tetrault is the woman from the plane |
|
12:31:54 |
sugarcoated_poison_apple |
welcome! thanks so much for joining us! |
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12:32:20 |
doulasteph |
HEff, if you want aVBAC you've gotta
join the ICAN email group! So
helpful...and free! Its great just to
tell your story too and have others
listen and understand |
|
12:32:30 |
galadriel2006 |
hi mrs tetrault! |
|
12:32:31 |
Host_Housepoet |
Feel free to ask KK anything you'd like |
|
12:32:32 |
heffalump |
thanks i will. |
|
12:32:33 |
Host_Housepoet |
just go slow |
|
12:32:37 |
galadriel2006 |
we're really happy to have you here |
|
12:32:38 |
Host_Housepoet |
this is her first time in a chat room |
|
12:32:39 |
sugarcoated_poison_apple |
:nak: |
|
12:32:48 |
heffalump |
awesome welcome to the chatroom. |
|
12:32:50 |
Host_Housepoet |
we all know how fast we are at reading,
but she's a little new. |
|
12:32:56 |
Host_Housepoet |
so IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION |
|
12:32:59 |
Host_Housepoet |
TYPE ? |
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12:33:00 |
doulasteph |
Welcome KK. We're a fun bunch today! |
|
12:33:00 |
downundermum |
:nak: too |
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12:33:01 |
Host_Housepoet |
AND I'LL CALL ON YOU |
|
12:33:03 |
Host_Housepoet |
OK |
|
12:33:05 |
silverandgold |
? |
|
12:33:07 |
Host_Housepoet |
EVERYONE GOT IT |
|
12:33:10 |
Host_Housepoet |
shoot silverandgold |
|
12:33:13 |
silverandgold |
How old is your nursling? |
|
12:33:35 |
Host_Housepoet |
mine or KK's? |
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12:33:38 |
kittn |
:nak: too |
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12:33:46 |
silverandgold |
Sorry, KK, how old is your baby? |
|
12:33:47 |
doulasteph |
My youngest is almost 8 months. |
|
12:34:14 |
doulasteph |
Still a wee baby but I already have
people asking how long Illlet this go
on". HEhehehe. Silly people!" |
|
12:34:18 |
Host_Housepoet |
Friendly Reminder: Please do not post
unless it is your turn to ask a
question. If you have a question, please
post a single ?" and you'll be added to
the queue. Have your question ready when
your name is called. THANKYOU! :)" |
|
12:34:28 |
doulasteph |
Whoops! |
|
12:34:52 |
Host_Housepoet |
it's ok, we're just switching it up to a
moderated chat |
|
12:35:28 |
kk |
My nursing one is 8 months old
yesterday! |
|
12:35:30 |
heffalump |
ok? |
|
12:36:05 |
Host_Housepoet |
next question |
|
12:36:15 |
galadriel2006 |
? |
|
12:36:15 |
Host_Housepoet |
KK, who was the person who contacted you
from the Airline |
|
12:36:26 |
Host_Housepoet |
you're next galadriel2006 |
|
12:36:44 |
sugarcoated_poison_apple |
i have to run, ladies ... have a nice
chat! |
|
12:37:03 |
kk |
ok, so new at this and my 31/2 year old
is yelling from the other room..Kelly
Mumford, Director of Customer Relations
for Skywest United express |
|
12:37:07 |
Host_Housepoet |
thanks spa |
|
12:37:12 |
Host_Housepoet |
ok galadriel2006 |
|
12:37:15 |
Host_Housepoet |
go for it |
|
12:37:19 |
atordoff |
? |
|
12:37:27 |
Host_Housepoet |
you're next atordoff |
|
12:37:54 |
galadriel2006 |
how openly were you breastfeeding? like
nursing shirt, regular shirt, etc |
|
12:38:43 |
Mama_K |
? |
|
12:38:56 |
Host_Housepoet |
after atordoff mama_K |
|
12:39:10 |
galadriel2006 |
i'm just wondering what they were
reacting to exactly |
|
12:39:41 |
Host_Housepoet |
remember ladies she's new at this, so
just give her a sec! :) |
|
12:40:06 |
galadriel2006 |
because it seems like people often will
use any excuse to get down on someone
for breastfeeding |
|
12:40:21 |
kk |
I was being discreet-by my terms. this
is my second child so i'm no stranger to
nursing. i was wearing a tank top so i
just pulled down the left side and was
wearing a coat on top too. |
|
12:40:40 |
galadriel2006 |
that's ridiculous that anyone would have
an issue with that |
|
12:40:45 |
Host_Housepoet |
atordoff you're next |
|
12:40:46 |
atordoff |
how long was your flight and had anybody
indicated they were uncomfortable"?" |
|
12:41:23 |
atordoff |
or was it just the flight attendanta
assumption? |
|
12:41:50 |
kk |
short! Fresno to SF 52 min. and NO i saw
no indication that anyone was
uncomfortable..the two guys next to me
were looking out the windows |
|
12:42:14 |
Host_Housepoet |
mama_k shoot! |
|
12:42:21 |
kristenandmadeleine |
bah!! im late again |
|
12:42:37 |
Host_Housepoet |
that's ok kristenandmadeleine |
|
12:42:48 |
Mama_K |
so did you actually have to stop
nursing, did you mention to the flight
attendant that it is reccommended to
nurse a child for landing and take off
to help their ears pop? |
|
12:42:52 |
Host_Housepoet |
we're chatting with KK Tetrault |
|
12:43:07 |
kk |
She was new at her job, young, not a
mother and i think it was acombo of her
own uncomfortable and trying to
anticipate others |
|
12:43:45 |
Serras_sis |
hello |
|
12:43:55 |
Mama_K |
and if you did stop did your child then
cry? |
|
12:44:16 |
Host_Housepoet |
hello Serras_sis |
|
12:44:19 |
kk |
I was actually already done nursing i
just hadn't unlatched yet..and no that
was afact i wish i had told her. i was
flustered. |
|
12:44:33 |
Mama_K |
I would have been too! |
|
12:44:40 |
Serras_sis |
<--- nursing right now! |
|
12:44:45 |
Mama_K |
:) |
|
12:45:14 |
Host_Housepoet |
Friendly Reminder: Please do not post
unless it is your turn to ask a
question. If you have a question, please
post a single ?" and you'll be added to
the queue. Have your question ready when
your name is called. THANKYOU! :)" |
|
12:45:22 |
Host_Housepoet |
ok next up question? |
|
12:45:34 |
atordoff |
? |
|
12:45:37 |
kk |
At one point i had to bite back tears
because I was emotionally caught off
guard. |
|
12:45:49 |
mod_ariana |
? |
|
12:45:51 |
Host_Housepoet |
atordoff go ahead |
|
12:45:54 |
Host_Housepoet |
ariana you're next |
|
12:46:13 |
atordoff |
I was wondering what kind of action you
might take with the airline, if any? |
|
12:47:35 |
kk |
I don't feel it necessary to take any
further action, although a specific
breastfeeding policy would be good. I'll
prob call Kelly back about this. |
|
12:48:11 |
Host_Housepoet |
I know that Carrie at ProMom is going to
draft a 3MA letter for everyone to sign,
thanking the airline for calling you KK
and making changes to their policy |
|
12:48:16 |
Host_Housepoet |
Ariana you're next |
|
12:48:24 |
atordoff |
ok. I hope it brings light to the
importance of breastfeeding and they
make a good policy! |
|
12:48:28 |
mod_ariana |
I'm not sure if you know this KK or if
someone else does |
|
12:48:49 |
mod_ariana |
but I remember hearing something about
how legally you have to do what a flight
attendant says while on a plane |
|
12:49:01 |
mod_ariana |
Is that true or was I imagining things?
I've been trying to look this up. |
|
12:49:03 |
atordoff |
? |
|
12:49:47 |
mod_ariana |
I just think if this is so then a
specifice breastfeeding policy is even
more important. |
|
12:50:29 |
kk |
Carrie told me about an incident like
that. since the stupid patriot act
disobeying a flight attendant could fall
under federal law...or something like
that. |
|
12:50:44 |
mod_ariana |
That's what I was thinking |
|
12:50:55 |
mod_ariana |
crazy |
|
12:51:03 |
mod_ariana |
atordoff go ahead with your next ? |
|
12:51:05 |
atordoff |
I didn't realize the airline called you
and changed their policy. Do you know
what it is? |
|
12:52:24 |
atordoff |
the story made our local paper (eureka),
but left the story unresolved |
|
12:53:06 |
Host_Housepoet |
atordoff you're in Eureka as well? |
|
12:53:06 |
kk |
They called me, yes, but they said there
isn't a policy. ProMom got Jetblue to
create a breastfeeding policy so people
would know what to do something like
that would be good. |
|
12:53:30 |
atordoff |
mckinleyville |
|
12:53:47 |
kk |
Hey Todoroff!! As in Gary or..umm forgot
his brothers name.?? |
|
12:53:49 |
atordoff |
very close to eureka |
|
12:54:13 |
atordoff |
no, not todoroff, tordoff |
|
12:54:49 |
kk |
OHH! sorry..yea, i am going to write to
the editor to update them on the story |
|
12:55:29 |
atordoff |
great, i hope it makes the paper again! |
|
12:56:07 |
kk |
I gotta go ! sorry Baby crying, Finn
buggin, dressed b-fast and out here
soon. So Thanks all and i'd be glad to
answer other question or just chat when
i can!! |
|
12:56:44 |
Host_Housepoet |
alrighty thanks KK |
|
12:56:57 |
atordoff |
bye! thanks for chatting! |
|
12:57:02 |
galadriel2006 |
thanks KK! |
|
12:57:07 |
galadriel2006 |
we really appreciate it |
|
12:57:48 |
Host_Housepoet |
Alright everyone, it looks like she's
outta here. |
|
12:57:56 |
Host_Housepoet |
well the floor is open for discussion
again |
|
12:57:59 |
Host_Housepoet |
anything goes |
|
12:58:14 |
atordoff |
thank you for connecting her! |
|
12:58:36 |
Host_Housepoet |
of course |
|
12:58:42 |
atordoff |
I need to run too! |
|
12:58:46 |
Host_Housepoet |
I'm glad I found her, I wanted her to
know that she is supported |
|
12:58:51 |
Host_Housepoet |
by all of us |
|
12:58:58 |
Host_Housepoet |
alright atordoff |
|
12:59:02 |
Host_Housepoet |
thanks for all the good questions |
|
12:59:11 |
Host_Housepoet |
anyone else have any questions ? |
|
12:59:49 |
mwalton |
nope, but it's always great to get the
inside story so thank you so much for
finding her |
|
12:59:57 |
silverandgold |
I feel lucky to have had 2 good
nursing-on-plane experiences. First one,
dd was 2.5 and we flew to San Diego. She
nursed the whole time, which was a
lifesaver on a 5-hour flight. We went to
Chicago in the summer, dd was 3 then,
and I actually met another |
|
13:00:05 |
silverandgold |
nursing mom of an 18-month-old. |
|
13:00:25 |
silverandgold |
I know though if I flew more, I'm sure I
would encounter resistance eventually by
someone. |
|
13:00:50 |
Host_Housepoet |
OK EVERYONE |
|
13:01:05 |
Host_Housepoet |
I HAVE A FLIGHT ATTENDANT FRIEND COMING
IN RIGHT NOW |
|
13:01:13 |
Host_Housepoet |
SHE'S GOING TO ANSWER SOME MORE
QUESTIONS FOR US |
|
13:01:20 |
mwalton |
we're flying to oregon on friday then
san diego on the 11th so i'm hoping i
don' trun into trouble |
|
13:01:25 |
Host_Housepoet |
SHE'S ALSO A BREASTFEEDING SUPPORTER AND
NURSING MOM OF TWINS |
|
13:02:51 |
cali4niachef |
hi ladies :) |
|
13:02:56 |
mod_ariana |
cali4niachef Hey! |
|
13:03:02 |
cali4niachef |
how are you ariana? |
|
13:03:02 |
Host_Housepoet |
hey cali4niachef |
|
13:03:18 |
Host_Housepoet |
we're running a little over time, I hope
you all stay with us |
|
13:03:22 |
mod_ariana |
I'm great |
|
13:03:28 |
cali4niachef |
hey house poet :D |
|
13:03:34 |
mod_ariana |
You know I think about you *every* time
I bake something! |
|
13:03:37 |
cali4niachef |
sorry i'm late |
|
13:03:43 |
cali4niachef |
so what's going on? |
|
13:03:51 |
Host_Housepoet |
http://www.eurekareporter.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?ArticleID=6464 |
|
13:03:51 |
mod_ariana |
cali4niachef we had a great chat today |
|
13:03:54 |
mod_ariana |
we had a special guest |
|
13:04:02 |
cali4niachef |
awe you do? :p :p |
|
13:04:07 |
cali4niachef |
how sweet! |
|
13:04:07 |
Host_Housepoet |
we just got done talking to the woman on
the plane |
|
13:04:20 |
mod_ariana |
:) |
|
13:04:21 |
cali4niachef |
man i'm sorry i missed it |
|
13:04:22 |
Host_Housepoet |
ALRIGHT LADIES |
|
13:04:33 |
cali4niachef |
seems like the room is still active
though :) |
|
13:04:40 |
Host_Housepoet |
one sec |
|
13:04:41 |
mod_ariana |
Yes we have another guest now! |
|
13:04:47 |
Host_Housepoet |
my friend is having an issue seeing
things |
|
13:04:48 |
Host_Housepoet |
ok |
|
13:04:48 |
myheadisred |
hello |
|
13:04:51 |
Host_Housepoet |
you see me Anika? |
|
13:04:57 |
anika |
Yes I see you!! |
|
13:05:03 |
Host_Housepoet |
EVERYONE SAY HELLO TO ANIKA |
|
13:05:04 |
mod_ariana |
anika Hello!!! |
|
13:05:13 |
Host_Housepoet |
SHE IS A PROFESSIONAL INFLIGHT STAFF
PERSON |
|
13:05:14 |
downundermum |
hello anika |
|
13:05:22 |
anika |
Hey Everyone |
|
13:05:22 |
galadriel2006 |
hi anika! |
|
13:05:22 |
Host_Housepoet |
Is that what I call you? |
|
13:05:27 |
Host_Housepoet |
I know it's not Flight Attendant ;) |
|
13:05:35 |
Host_Housepoet |
she's bitchin' hows that? |
|
13:05:38 |
anika |
its ok...either one works |
|
13:05:40 |
mwalton |
hi anika |
|
13:05:54 |
Host_Housepoet |
Anika is here to answer any questions
you might have about general airline
policies |
|
13:05:57 |
cali4niachef |
this last week one of my nipples was
S-O-R-E.....when he would latch on my
toes would curl. so occasionally i would
take him off and relatch him on just to
make sure he was latching correctly. he
is. i think it is due to his teething.
anyway i dilegently |
|
13:06:01 |
myheadisred |
very cool |
|
13:06:07 |
Host_Housepoet |
she will answer to the best of her
ability, but note that she's not
speaking for anyone ONE airline |
|
13:06:10 |
cali4niachef |
applied lanolin and EBM to my nipple,
fortunately is nearly healed |
|
13:06:15 |
Host_Housepoet |
Friendly Reminder: Please do not post
unless it is your turn to ask a
question. If you have a question, please
post a single ?" and you'll be added to
the queue. Have your question ready when
your name is called. THANKYOU! :)" |
|
13:06:25 |
Host_Housepoet |
So I'll start |
|
13:06:32 |
cali4niachef |
has anyone else experienced sore nipples
due to teething? |
|
13:06:36 |
cali4niachef |
is it common? |
|
13:06:39 |
Host_Housepoet |
Anika, is it illegal to disobey a
directo order from a flight attendant? |
|
13:07:22 |
Host_Housepoet |
(anika said that her computer is running
a little slow today to bare with her) |
|
13:07:43 |
anika |
It is illegal. Its a very touchy subject
because it really is up to the
discretion of the flight attendant |
|
13:07:58 |
anika |
basically its against the law to
interfere with their duties |
|
13:08:13 |
mod_ariana |
? |
|
13:08:37 |
Host_Housepoet |
shoot |
|
13:08:42 |
anika |
If they tell you to do something and you
don't its federal offense |
|
13:08:54 |
anika |
But they have to warn you first |
|
13:09:06 |
mwalton |
? |
|
13:09:33 |
Host_Housepoet |
you're next mwalton |
|
13:10:13 |
Host_Housepoet |
mwalton go ahead |
|
13:10:34 |
mwalton |
thanks, so what is the best course of
action then if we run into a situation
where we are told to stop nursing? |
|
13:11:21 |
anika |
You can ask if its company policy. I
assure its not but it puts the flight
attendant on the spot. |
|
13:12:17 |
mod_ariana |
but if they demand" it do you have to
comply?" |
|
13:12:37 |
anika |
If they demand absolutely. You can
always take it up afterwards |
|
13:12:58 |
anika |
If it escalates that's where the trouble
starts |
|
13:12:58 |
mod_ariana |
that's scary |
|
13:13:10 |
therealocelot |
? |
|
13:13:17 |
Host_Housepoet |
what if you were in that situation
Anika? as a nursing mom and someone
complained to you on a flight about
another nursing mom? what would you tell
that offended person? |
|
13:13:33 |
Host_Housepoet |
therealocelot you're next. oh wait,
Ariana, then therealocelot |
|
13:13:59 |
mod_ariana |
no, I asked mine -- for now |
|
13:14:04 |
Host_Housepoet |
ah ok |
|
13:14:08 |
anika |
I would tell them I prefer a nursing
baby as opposed to a crying baby. Most
of the times you can't even tell
someone's bfing |
|
13:14:15 |
Host_Housepoet |
very true |
|
13:14:18 |
Host_Housepoet |
ok therealocelot |
|
13:14:32 |
therealocelot |
is it ok to mention that you'll do what
the flight attendent says, but that
their job may be at stake? Or would that
be considered threatening? :) |
|
13:14:55 |
therealocelot |
(in a more polite and expansive manner -
can't type much now) |
|
13:15:17 |
anika |
I would just ask for their name and ID
number. That's all you need. You don't
want to engage them. |
|
13:15:31 |
mod_ariana |
they'd get the idea with that, huh? |
|
13:15:40 |
Host_Housepoet |
that |
|
13:15:44 |
Host_Housepoet |
thats a great way to go about it |
|
13:15:45 |
anika |
They would know what's up |
|
13:15:50 |
Host_Housepoet |
anyone else? |
|
13:16:00 |
Host_Housepoet |
come on, throw some tough ones at Anika,
she can take it! |
|
13:16:05 |
silverandgold |
? |
|
13:16:08 |
anika |
If they refuse to give their ID number
just make a note of the Flight Number |
|
13:16:45 |
Host_Housepoet |
silverandgold GO AHEAD |
|
13:16:45 |
mod_ariana |
? |
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13:16:50 |
silverandgold |
Were you a flight attendant before you
were a nursing mom? How has your opinion
of NIP, specifically nursing in-flight
changed if so? |
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13:17:04 |
Host_Housepoet |
oohhhh good question |
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13:18:05 |
anika |
I was a Flight Attendant for 5 years
before becoming a mom. I never had a
negative opinion of it. Infact I always
thought it was nice to see the moms
nursing...it was much easier |
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13:18:25 |
anika |
than trying to warm up bottles of
formula on a plane that had no microwave
;-) |
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13:18:45 |
silverandgold |
ty |
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13:19:02 |
anika |
you're welcome |
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13:19:11 |
Host_Housepoet |
anyone else? |
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13:19:19 |
mod_ariana |
Hey don't forget me |
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13:19:24 |
Host_Housepoet |
shot |
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13:19:25 |
Host_Housepoet |
shoot |
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13:19:27 |
mod_ariana |
I was just wondering how you feel about
this policy? |
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13:19:28 |
Host_Housepoet |
go ahead |
