Dr_Jay_Gordon: I'm
ready for questions, but have one important thing to say:
rewardedTmama: do tell
Dr_Jay_Gordon:
When you go to the hospital to have a baby, a healthy full
term baby, do not let them separate you from your newborn
Dr_Jay_Gordon: The baby's not dirty and needs no bath
Dr_Jay_Gordon: The scale has wheels and can come to your room\
rewardedTmama: I don't even go to the hospital to have my babies!! They
have all been born at home!
Dr_Jay_Gordon: The temp can be taken under your babe's arm while he's in
your arms
thebabysbym: wish you'd been there for my first... they were mean about
me wanting to wait to bathe him
angimarie26: this one is going to be born at home too
Chava: Do you have a schedule for delayed vaccination that you
could recommend? My 22 month is scheduled to start tomorrow and I am
wondering what I should have them give.
Hippy_Mama: I wish I had the courage to have this one at home. I'm a
wimp
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Home births are almost always safer if this is within your
belief structure
spritemama: Does separation mean in the same room or physical
separation? IOW not ski-to-skin contact? Make sense?
rewardedTmama: good answer
Webmama_Tina: : )
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Chava, I like waiting, as you've done and then I give one
shot at a time
Chava: Do you recommend anyone first?
Dr_Jay_Gordon: The DPT is the most relevant vaccine
marisa: 2 homeborn babies here too
rewardedTmama: how do you feel about not immunizing?
Chava: OK, thanks
Dr_Jay_Gordon: The polio might be the least relevant
Dr_Jay_Gordon: I like to present all the information I have and then
parents can decide.
rewardedTmama: homegrown and homeborn!
Dr_Jay_Gordon: I support not vaccinating
Dr_Jay_Gordon: But, it's not right for everyone
rewardedTmama: where do you practice at?
Chava: I think my ped will be pushing for Hib as well
spritemama: Is that because of the lack of recurrence in the US? Or salk
vs sabine?
angimarie26: Dr. Jay, our ped just 'released' us from his practice
because our 24 month old isn't current on his vax
rewardedTmama: Why not come to Tahoe?
Dr_Jay_Gordon: The HIB was a Godsend in the early eighties
Dr_Jay_Gordon: But the dz is almost gone now
Webmama_Tina: dz?
Chava: ok, that is good to know
spritemama: I ask because have a friend in his late 30's who is a
paraplegic due to polio exposure. He lived in a rural area.
Webmama_Tina: oh disease?
Dr_Jay_Gordon: It's not a bad vaccine but beyond 18-20 months it's much
less important
thebabysbym: dz = disease?
Crystal_in_Alaska: Polio was supposed to be declared eradicated last year by
WHO. Not sure what the date was changed to.
Dr_Jay_Gordon: for healthy babies, obviously
Dr_Jay_Gordon: dz=disease
Dr_Jay_Gordon: antibx=antibiotics
Webmama_Tina: gotcha : )
Dr_Jay_Gordon: vaccines= . . .
Dr_Jay_Gordon: $$$$$$$
rewardedTmama: Dr. Jay...where do you practice?
Traci_in_Houston: so what exactly do you have against vaccines?
Webmama_Tina: ROFL
Crystal_in_Alaska: amen
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Santa Monica, CA
Chava: If a child is going to get MMR do you recommend in early
childhood or adolescence?
rewardedTmama: thats right ...just a $$$ thing!
Traci_in_Houston: ah, of course. always about money
Beckie: <-------taking notes : )
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Traci, vaccines have saved and continue to save millions of
lives
angimarie26: where can I find a good guideline on a delayed schedule for
vaxing?
rewardedTmama: vaccines have also destroyed lives
Webmama_Tina: i'll be posting the transcripts on mommychats afterwards,
for anyone who will want this info
Dr_Jay_Gordon: But the whole truth is they may not be the best thing for
one individual child
rewardedTmama: ty on that : )
Traci_in_Houston: we have delayed and refused most of the vacs, i was just
curious about your viewpoint
Dr_Jay_Gordon: An "anti-vaccine" POV is not scientifically sound because
it doesn't take into account public health or a specific child's
needs and risk factors
angimarie26: I am not opposed to vaxing, just to giving a tiny baby four
shots, containing anywhere from 4-16 different things for their tiny
bodies to fight
Webmama_Tina: we selectively vaccinate...what is your stance on DTaP, dr
jay?
Dragonfly: Does it concern you that some risk factors - egg allergies,
for example - would not be evident prior to the time for
vaccination, but those vaccines are still recommended?
Dr_Jay_Gordon: The vaccines may be inherently flawed and the aluminum,
formalin and even (still?!!!) the mercury are bad for children and
other people
Webmama_Tina: here here ANGI
Shannon: looking for opinion on exposing child to chicken pox
instead of vaxing
Traci_in_Houston: we give one at a time when he gets them, or will.
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Dragon, egg allergies might be a problem but they claim
otherwise when it comes to the measles shot
Crystal_in_Alaska: Shannon, have a chicken pox party! ;)
angimarie26: My 24 month old has had one DTaP and one MMR vax
Dr_Jay_Gordon: I disagree and thing that we should not ignore allergic and
other reaction possibilities
rewardedTmama: My 4 month old does not want to leave my sling
: )
Shannon: Crystal - I want to
spritemama: A question about the current public HHS breastfeeding
promotion ads. In their current state are they effective abnd can
they be made more defective in the future? I wish they mentioned
decreased risk of cancer, obesity and SIDS, for example.
Dragonfly: I wish all were so level-headed. : )
rewardedTmama: Dr.Jay.... open a practice in Tahoe
rewardedTmama: : )
angimarie26: we are trying to find a good suggestion on a modified
schedule
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Shannon, I am happy you give varicella vaccination to anyone
over age five years because the dz is tough in the teens and later
Chava: Do you recommend MMR if the child is going to get it, in
childhood or wait until adolescence?
angimarie26: so we can show our ped that we aren't NOT doing them, just
delaying them and finding the ones that work for us
Traci_in_Houston: i wish they said at least 6 months instead of just 6 months
marisa: a friend of mine uses Stephanie Cave's schedule
Dr_Jay_Gordon: and the chances of getting the dz diminish w age
Webmama_Tina: woops, accidentally clicked the wrong thing
Dr_Jay_Gordon: spritemama, they new ads are weak as can be
angimarie26: do they know when kids will need a booster for varicella?
Dr_Jay_Gordon: a disgrace
Dr_Jay_Gordon: You saw "20/20"?
Dragonfly: Are you seeing many cases of wild CP in your practice?
Crystal_in_Alaska: The 20/20 bit was great
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Angi, probably every 7-10 years and they may need two shots
to begin with . . .
Beckie: I did, it was very sad that so much money was throw at the
truth to make it go away
Chava: I have heard that if your child has not had Chicken Pox by
age 10 is a good age to get the vaccine.
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Dragon, yes, every few weeks
QuietishElf: I am looking for a ped that we could go to for well baby
visits but will be supportive of selective vaxing. Is there a good
source, online or otherwise, for finding non-mainstream doctors?
Webmama_Tina: which 20/20?
spritemama: i was bothered by how they were weakened. I saw the 20/20
piece. You were great. : D
Beckie: The one about the breastfeeding campaigns Tina
Dragonfly: That's reassuring. I'm concerned that my son won't be
exposed.
Dr_Jay_Gordon: But, here's another problem: In the old days, exposure to
your classmates' cousins, sibs, chickenpox acted as a "booster" to
your immunity. Those days are long gone
Webmama_Tina: oh yes, i saw that one
Traci_in_Houston: i have a breastfeeding/weight question when you are ready
for it, Dr. Gordon
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Sprite, Thanks! I was proud of that
Dragonfly: QuietishElf - you could check out the "Finding Your Tribe"
and "Practitioner" boards at Mothering.com
Beckie: Why is that?
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Good lighting and great editing made me look . . . wise
Beckie: : )
Chava: Dr. Jay - in our area we seem to still have lots of C/P in
kids who received the varicella vaccine
angimarie26: I have seen that too
Webmama_Tina: oh yeah!!! i forgot you were in that dr jay! i did see
that!!!
Chava: does that not provide the need 'booster' to immunity
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Kids are no longer exposed to classroom-wide chickenpox
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Therefore no "boosters"
QuietishElf: thanks Dragonfly, I will check again
Beckie: oh, because kids are kept separate
Beckie: when they are ill
Dragonfly: Yes. I remember reading that's why there was such longevity
for the vaccine in Japan - because the vaccination rate was only
about 50% and, so, those who were vaccinated were constantly having
their immunity boosted by exposure.
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Elf, I have trouble finding docs who will even talk about
vaccines with parents
marisa: why is that?
rewardedTmama: I find that too
Dr_Jay_Gordon: We all think you know too little . . . and we know
everything
QuietishElf: That is my Experience
mitchels_mommy03: Tina will you be posting this chat...Mitchel is up now and
I have to go...it was nice chatting...miss u guys
Beckie: Thank the Goddess for our Dr, right Tina?
spritemama: My understanding about breastfeeding and Vaxing is that
breastfeeding helps the immune system function better. for example
that's the only source of IgA. Is delayed vax a further way to
strengthen the immune system or is bf plus the regular schedule also
e
Traci_in_Houston: my dr. just did whatever we wanted. he didn't even discuss
it with us. he just said OK - you're the parent
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Chava, yes, the vaccines is far from 100%
angimarie26: my ped just wants to 'scare' parents into vaxing
rewardedTmama: My reason for NOT trusting Dr.s
spritemama: efficient?
Chava: Mine talks about it with me - mostly to tell me of horror
cases he's seen of whatever vaccine we are currently refusing
rewardedTmama: angiemarie.... Alot of Dr.s are like that .... I would drop
them
angimarie26: with horror stories of boys having chicken pox in their
penises and kids dying of measles
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Sprite, BF makes everything about a baby's body work better
Webmama_Tina: lol, yup....we have a FANTASTIC pediatrician here in fresno,
CA....AP friendly, supportive of non-vaxing, goes above and
beyond...he's a jewel
Dr_Jay_Gordon: It does NOT confer specific immunity to many diseases
though
angimarie26: but there are other aspects of his practice that I LOVE
Webmama_Tina: yes MARIE....i'll be posting the transcripts to the site
rewardedTmama: Tina!! IM SOOO jealous!
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Just cuz a mom's immune to chickenpox doesn't give immunity
to her BF baby
mitchels_mommy03: thanks...nite all
Beckie: Too bad we can't clone him LOL
rewardedTmama: no kidding
rewardedTmama: I would love to have an AP friendly doc
Traci_in_Houston: Dr. Jay, i have a question about weight charts and
breastfeeding.
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Who is your doctor and where is he?
Beckie: Dr Kratzer, Fresno, CA
angimarie26: I have a ped who will come in on Sunday morning, before
church, just to see if my child has an ear infection because he
doesn't want him to wait until Monday
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Traci, the charts are worth very little.
Traci_in_Houston: my baby is in the 5th %ile and my dr wants me to start
cereal and vegetables.
Beckie: He takes good care of our little AP community here
marisa: he came to check out both of my babies at my home after
they were born too
Dr_Jay_Gordon: On my website, I have a little essay "Look at the baby not
the scale"
Traci_in_Houston: he's 5 months. i think it's a bad idea. he is sensitive to
many things in my diet
WeeHands: here in Canada the vax schedule is different (we still go
very slow) and it's almost impossible to find any Dr (AP or not) -
very frustrating
spritemama: so it's more of a passive rather than active immunity? Or
vice versa?
angimarie26: and we had a slow weight gainer and he never pressed me to
supplement or showed any concern, as long as he was healthy and
growing
rewardedTmama: My dr. said I was strange because I am tandem nursing
angimarie26: he just isn't very educated on BFing and is terrible about
vaxing
Traci_in_Houston: i've read it, i believe. i have to go back in 1 week and
tell the dr that i did not start cereal or vegetables
Traci_in_Houston: i dn't think he is underweight, just a small guy
Dr_Jay_Gordon: How old?
spritemama: I am fascinated by how formula feeding and breast feeding
affect vaccination effectiveness at whatever age it is done
angimarie26: my oldest weighed 17 pounds on his first birthday, he was
in the 5th % his entire first year
Traci_in_Houston: 5 months, 8 at birth, 11 15 at the last appt 1 week ago
Dr_Jay_Gordon: BF confers both passive and active immunity but it's most
to the dz of the week rather than anything old
angimarie26: but he was growing and had wet diapers and nursing like
crazy
marisa: I have small babies- a friend of mine has a daughter that
is 3 mo younger than my daughter and she is bigger than my
daughter... oh well I have small healthy babies and she has larger
healthy babies
Traci_in_Houston: my guy too, angimarie26
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Traci, babies looking good, meeting milestones, meeting
family size, are almost always just fine
Webmama_Tina: OK LADIES, just had the suggestion....PLEASE TAKE SIDE
CONVERSATIONS TO PRIVATE MESSAGE....right click on person's name and
choose "send message"
Chava: ty tina
thebabysbym: ty tina
angimarie26: but now he is 5 and wearing a 5T and weighs 45 pounds
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Nearly double birth weight? Just fine if all else is OK
Traci_in_Houston: k, i think he's going to freak when i tell him we didn't do
as he suggested.
Webmama_Tina: LET'S KEEP THE MAIN CHAT CONVERSATION TO DR JAY ANSWERING
OUR QUESTIONS ONE AT A TIME
thebabysbym: ?
Dr_Jay_Gordon: "Look at the Baby Not the Scale"
Traci_in_Houston: i'll go back and read it.
marisa: What is your take on MMR vax?
spritemama: ah, it's been a few years since the immunology class. ;)
Will have to look into basic terminology again..Thanks.
Dr_Jay_Gordon: The MMR might be as dangerous as some say but only to
certain kids
marisa: so how do you know which kids?
Beckie: That is so scary!
Dr_Jay_Gordon: It is not a very important vaccine in America and other
parts of the Western Hemisphere
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Marisa . . . you don't
marisa: I know my little sister spiked very high fevers (worse each
time) with the MMR
Beckie: I have had the MMR shot 5 times in my life, and still don't
register an immunity, so it could be worthless risk as well
bananamama: My daughter got her 1st MMR shot at age 4 1/2, instead of
at the recommended age of 18 months. When do you recommend her
getting the MMR booster?
Dr_Jay_Gordon: banana, none needed IMO
angimarie26: How important is a mother's immunity to MMR?
Chava: you recommend skipping the MMR?
spritemama: I had no titer to rubella 5 years ago at the age of 32.
angimarie26: I am pg and was told that my immunity is almost gone
Dr_Jay_Gordon: It's not a booster like the DPT and others: The MMR is
about 90% effective and the second one is given to try to pick up
that other 10%
Chava: ah, ok
Dr_Jay_Gordon: 90% of the kids who get a second don't really benefit
bananamama: ah, ok. Thanks!
spritemama: band i was bf as a child.
Dr_Jay_Gordon: The risk of autism is present in some kids . . .
Chava: do you feel that the autism risk lessens in older kids?
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Chava, yes, I do not like the shot unless there are risk
factors in a child's life
angimarie26: my MW was suggesting that I may need a booster when I am
done nursing, since my immunity is so lo
QuietishElf: Dr, what would you recommend to one of your own patients
who have perfectly healthy children?
spritemama: what factors are conducive to autism?
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Angi, rubella vax after pregnancy can rarely cause
arthritis in adult women
marisa: how serious are the MMR diseases in healthy children with a
healthy diet etc
Chava: angimarie26 get your titers rechecked 3 mos after delivery
angimarie26: even if I am nursing?
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Last year, we had 14 cases of rubella in America. The shot
is not terribly important
Chava: angimarie26 they often go down in pregnancy
Beckie: I had the shots after both my children, and they still say
I am low. Oh well, no more shots for me !
angimarie26: I am currently nursing my 24 month old and am expecting #3
in October
rewardedTmama: Way to go angie!
rewardedTmama: Im nursing my 2yr old and 4 month old
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Angi, wonderful!
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Tmama, fantastic mommying
thebabysbym: Dr. Gordon, I have a nutrition question when the Vaxing Qs
are done.
rewardedTmama: ty Dr. Jay!
Beckie: I am after you babysbym : )
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Ready for that change, thebabysbym
rewardedTmama: lol me too : )
spritemama: nursed my ds until he was 3 1/2. dd now at 16
months and
counting.
marisa: What is your take on fluoride when babys and beckie are
done
thebabysbym: ok, my son has a long history, but in short, he's 1 year
past his Hirschsprung's Disease take down/pull-through surgery
Webmama_Tina: RIGHT CLICK THE PERSON'S NAME IN THE LIST THAT YOU WANT TO
TALK TO, THEN CHOOSE "SEND MESSAGE" TO PRIVATE MESSAGE
Webmama_Tina: : )
thebabysbym: our GI specialist has ordered NO JUICE at all for him
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Fl is a toxic mineral and even if it lessened the number of
cavities, i don't like it
thebabysbym: he hates veggies so is taking fiber supplements
Dr_Jay_Gordon: It may actually do some good when "painted" on teeth once
/year
thebabysbym: is there something besides Cow Milk (he weaned himself last
Tuesday) and water that I can give him?
Dr_Jay_Gordon: But taken by mouth so that it can get into the saliva and
"bathe" the teeth is not great medicine
thebabysbym: he's going to be 2 next month
rewardedTmama: that's good to hear because I haven't been using the
fluoride
pills for my son
Dr_Jay_Gordon: I like water as a primary beverage and then rice, soy, oat
milk and smoothies, too
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Juice is not good for kids
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Too much sugar
marisa: why is Fl touted as this wonder for teeth? Even our dentist
who calls himself a holistic dentist was inquiring as to my 6mo old
and 2yr having fl
rewardedTmama: Isnt soy not so good due to the estrogen content?
Dragonfly: How worried should I be about my 3-year-old son's refusal
to eat vegetables?
thebabysbym: so, smoothies are ok, which milk is best for making them?
Dr_Jay_Gordon: "Mothering" magazine lost their mind for a month or so . . .
soy in moderation is very good for all of us
Dr_Jay_Gordon: (I eat too much)
rewardedTmama: but soy is in everything
Webmama_Tina: ROFL
thebabysbym: also, a couple people have told me about Juice Plus...
would you recommend that for a veggie hater?
Chava: My son likes the flavored soy (choc. and vanilla) - do you
see this as a problem for a 22 mos old? the added sugar?
rewardedTmama: I really agreed with that article
Dragonfly: almond milk is yummy : )
Dr_Jay_Gordon: babysbym, any of the "milks"
Dr_Jay_Gordon: (actually, I eat too much in general)
Webmama_Tina: *laughter*
thebabysbym: eats too much in general, too
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Tmama, the science was shaky
rewardedTmama: was it?
Dr_Jay_Gordon: and their data were gathered from sources with a bias
Dragonfly: So I take it you're not a fan of Weston Price? : )
thebabysbym: we've also been holding off on ALL nuts. Is it ok to give
him almond milk?
Dr_Jay_Gordon: I tend to compare the soy-eating families with standard
American eaters and the differnce favors soy
Dr_Jay_Gordon: a varied diet is the best and soy formula does not belong
in the discussion
rewardedTmama: good point
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Weston Price is not my favorite
Beckie: my turn?
spritemama: wat is a good age for starting soy and other "milks"?
Webmama_Tina: go beckie, you've been waiting patiently
spritemama: sorry, your turn Beckie. : )
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Again, the families I know who use soy daily tend to eat
much, much, much better than "normal" American families
thebabysbym: thanks for the help, Dr. Gordon
Kimberly: Do you believe tri-vi-sol vitamins are necessary for a
nursing infant under 6 mo. old?
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Starting nine months or later
marisa: I don't agree with Weston Price, but why don't you?
Beckie: okay, I just need a quick and dirty reason why
breastfeeding my two year old is a good thing, to keep noisy
relatives at bay : )
Dr_Jay_Gordon: I also like exclusive BF for well beyond six months when
possible
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Kimberly, those drops are not needed
Chava: Slightly OT - I am a nurse. I had a needle stick while I
was pregnant and they told me my Hep B titers were zero. They will
not vaccinate me b/c I am breastfeeding. Is this a real issue for my
son? My pregnancies and nursing tend to overlap and I'm not
Dr_Jay_Gordon: There is enough vitamin D in Br milk
Dr_Jay_Gordon: and iron
Dr_Jay_Gordon: and Vit A
Chava: crazy about being a RN with no Help B immunity
Webmama_Tina: hold on CHAVA....beckie is waiting for an answer to her
question first...
Kimberly: Good. I haven't been giving them. : )
thebabysbym: Beckie...
http://www.lalecheleague.org/FAQ/criticism.html
Chava: sorry
Beckie: They all believe that the benefit is long gone past, and
that she is just is spoiled
Webmama_Tina: no worries : )
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Chava, the hep B status of the patient is crucial
Dr_Jay_Gordon: likely negative and you are in the clear
Chava: yes
Chava: the pt. was neg
Dr_Jay_Gordon: and your fetus' risk is close to zero
Chava: I was wondering if the risk of vaccinating to a bf'ing
infant
Chava: they refuse to vaccinate me b/c I am breastfeeding my 22
m.o.
angimarie26: Beckie...
http://www.kellymom.com/bf/bfextended/ebf-benefits.html
Beckie: TY for the URL's I will check them out
thebabysbym: np
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Chava, these people are not smart enough to care for you or
your baby
Chava: lol
thebabysbym: ROFLMAO
Dr_Jay_Gordon: That is a level of ignorance not acceptable in 2004
Beckie: I am so fustrated with fighting them, and dealing with a
toddler too ;(
thebabysbym: (((Beckie)))
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Beckie, you are right and they are wrong
lissi: I've got a request for some help: My co-sleeping 10 month
old is waking *a lot* at night, sometimes every 20-45 minutes. I'm
exhausted. Any advice?
Dr_Jay_Gordon: The immunity and the comfort and the perfect nutrition are
still present at 2, 3, 4 years of age
Webmama_Tina: lets take turns, ladies...how about you let me know if you
have a question and i'll tell you when its your turn, eh? will that
work for you dr jay...some people's questions are getting lost in
the shuffle
Beckie: TY Dr Gordon
rewardedTmama: Wondering if I should pick your book tomorrow Dr. Jay!
thebabysbym: Beckie... Just Say "My Doctor Told Me...."
spritemama: so why do so many physicians have such an unacceptable
level of knowledge about breastfeeding and how wonderful it is? Did
they thing humans ceased being mammals? I honestly don't get it.
spritemama: think
Beckie: I do that quite often
Beckie: he actual told DH, that shut him up fast : )
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Sprite, the smartest and best doc in a graduating class is
called the valedictorian. The dumbest docs in the class are called .
. .
Dr_Jay_Gordon: "Doctor"!!
Webmama_Tina: starting a list....PM me if you have a question...
mashedtater: How do you pm?
Beckie: Double click her name and another window will come up
Webmama_Tina: don't PM me your question, just tell me if you have one and
i'll put you on the list....hope that's ok dr jay? that way folks'
questions aren't lost
Beckie: So true, yet so frightening Dr Gordon!
Dr_Jay_Gordon: I'm fine
ElisaMarie: Dr. Jay, I just wanted to thank you. I am nursing a 33
month old who had chronic ear infections until 4 mo ago. Night
nursing was a factor, and your nightweaning technique saved us! TY!
lissi: Webmama_Tina Webmama_Tina Webmama_Tina Webmama_Tina
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Elisa, thanks for the kind words
rewardedTmama: Nice talking to you Dr. Jay...im headed out
Dr_Jay_Gordon: pleasure, Tmama'
marisa: that technique saved me too when my then 13 mo old was
waking every half hour to nurse but not really nursing
angimarie26: thank you all! Have a wonderful night! I am off to my water
class
spritemama: Very true Dr Jay, it is just extremely
frustrating. Women
and babies deserve better IMO.
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Babies deserve intelligent loving care from their docs
ElisaMarie: Dr. Jay, are you currently accepting new patients?
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Time, attention, thought
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Not always there, though
Webmama_Tina: ok so nevermind, it sounds like dr jay is fine with this
line of questioning....lol....
mashedtater: perhaps even money and political correctness plays a part
too
marisa: so why is fl pushed so heavily? even by drs who claim to be
"holistic"?
thebabysbym: I have recently been told about Juice Plus as a Whole Food
"supplement". What is your take on this?
Webmama_Tina: dr jay is a chat host pro...he does this every week on aol,
lol, so i guess he knows how to keep up even if the rest of us are
getting dizzy, ROFL
thebabysbym: a friend has both her children on it and my son likes the
gummies. We just tried them to see if he'd eat them.
Chava: What do you think of the induction trend? Do you see it
having an impact on breastfeeding and other issues with the newborn?
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Logged off for some reason
Webmama_Tina: that's weird
spritemama: Thank you Dr Jay for being here, I have really been helped by
your information for a long time Much apprieciated. : ) Good night
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Chava, babies not born when they're supposed can be more
difficult nurser
Chava: could you convey that to your OB colleagues please, LOL
Dr_Jay_Gordon: The gummies taste wonderful because they are mostly sugar
Dr_Jay_Gordon: or some other sweetener
thebabysbym: the ingredient list only has fruit extracts or veggie
extracts
Lanie: My 11 month old daughter only eats very little in the way
of solids, but nurses wonderfully, should I be concerned
thebabysbym: I don't have it here b/c I just got a couple from her.
Dr_Jay_Gordon: The OBs I know vary in their attitudes about induction,
post dates, and so one
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Lanie, no!
Lanie: i fib to her ped about it
Dr_Jay_Gordon: If everything lese is going well and she looks great, is
getting ready to stand and walk and so on, she's fine
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Breast milk is better than solids and ends soon enough
thebabysbym: too soon... sniff sniff
ElisaMarie: Lanie, mine ate *very * little until she was 2+. She's
healthy and on track with both size and development. No worries. : )
Lanie: oh yeah she is all of those, 26 lbs too LOL
Webmama_Tina: my dd didn't even START really eating solids til after a
year! so i second that, LANIE
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Lanie, your doctor can see?
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Then he should know that whatever you're doing is working
great
Crystal_in_Alaska: *laughter*
Chava: Any truth to the rumor that infants that have delayed intro
of solids tend to refuse solids?
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Chava, normal babies, no
marisa: back to nutrition- why don't you like weston price?
Lanie: i think so as well
thebabysbym: what is Weston Price?
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Babies with developmental or motor problems are another
issue
Chava: ah, ok
Dr_Jay_Gordon: That's why I qualify my answers
Dr_Jay_Gordon: If other things are not right, food aversion has to be
viewed in a different light
Chava: I think they are basing the info in a study done on
children with developmental problems, now that you mention it
Dr_Jay_Gordon: as part of a larger problem
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Tis is VERY rare
Webmama_Tina: **just to let y'all know again...for those joining us
late....lets keep the side conversations to private message....right
click on a person's name and choose "send message"....***
ElisaMarie: Dr. Jay, if you answered I missed it...are you currently
accepting new patients?
Chava: Can we take this out of the realm of babies and
breastfeeding
for a moment for a question about a 12 year old?
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Elisa, yes
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Chava, yes
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Elisa, I'm booked a couple months in advance,
though
Chava: My 12 year old son is about 10 lbs overweight. he is 75%
tile for weight, 33%percentile for height
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Chava, cheese and chips
Chava: He is not a junk food kid
Chava: cheese, yes
Dr_Jay_Gordon: and lack of exercise are the most common causes
ElisaMarie: TY...I'll call the office. : )
mashedtater: What are dr's taught about intact boys? My ped is good in
that he hasn't tried to retract..but he thinks I should manipulate
it to "help" it detach ..which I ignore
Chava: he does Tae Kwon Do daily and bike rides
Dr_Jay_Gordon: If I could remove one food from kids' lives, it
would be the
ultimate junk food: CHEESE
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Mashed, decent doc
marisa: can you expand on that dr jay?
Chava: so I'm wondering if this is 'normal' adolescent weight gain
before a growth spurt or if I should be looking into it more?
Webmama_Tina: **and those who have to miss some of this chat, i'm going
to be posting the transcripts to mommychats later...join the egroup
at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mommychats to get the announcement
and link when its up***
marisa: both about intact boys and cheese
Dr_Jay_Gordon: We learn almost nothing about intact boys and most peds
think that there's a time when the foreskin has to retract
Webmama_Tina: **if you click on a URL in this chat, it opens in a new
window**
Beckie: LOL, Marisa!!
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Chava, if he's a cheese eater and the family tends a little
in "that" direction, pay close attention, please
Chava: actually, the rest of the family is quite thin - except for
me
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Cheese has more calories per serving than almost anything
Dr_Jay_Gordon: no fiber
: Dr_Jay_Gordon: very few vits, calcium we may or may not need
Dr_Jay_Gordon: and lots of fat
Dr_Jay_Gordon: and we all grow to LOVE it
Shannon: Cheese is the only way I get my calcium.
thebabysbym: no wonder it tastes so good... tee hee
Dr_Jay_Gordon: and learning moderation is not an adolescent's strong suit
marisa: so what is your take on calcium and dairy?
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Cheese is not a good way to get calcium
Chava: all my other kids are technically "underweight" - but yes,
moderation is DEFINITELY an issue for my 12 year old
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Pills would be better and they're certainly not the best
way either
Shannon: I know, I just don't like milk.
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Marisa, "google" willett/milk/fractures
thebabysbym: didn't think that milk was a good way to get calcium either
Webmama_Tina: what's the best way to get calcium then?
Dr_Jay_Gordon: The huge Harvard study shows that the more milk women drink
in their lives, the more likely they are to break bones
Dr_Jay_Gordon: !!!
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Dark greens
marisa: I actually had read that I think.
Webmama_Tina: good thing i'm lactose intolerant then, LOL
Beckie: me too : )
Dr_Jay_Gordon: and, I guess, fortified beverages
Webmama_Tina: and my dd adores soy milk, and is not all that fond of "moo
milk"
Dr_Jay_Gordon: beans, nuts, greens
Dr_Jay_Gordon: good work tina
Webmama_Tina: : )
Dr_Jay_Gordon: (I have to go soon)
marisa: My mil is petrified that my kids don't get enough calcium
because we don't do dairy much but we eat lots of nuts, beans,
greens carrots, etc
Chava: and in nursing school they teach you that the calcium in
dark greens is mostly bound up with what? oxilate? and not available
Webmama_Tina: well you've stayed way longer than anticipated....thankyou
so much!
Webmama_Tina: i'd love to have you again sometime, if you're up to it
QuietishElf: This whole "Got Milk" campaign thing has really wreaked
havoc in my life.. I've never been fond of the idea of humans
drinking the milk of another species, but everyone is so sure that
I'm awful for not giving my kids milk
Chava: Thank you!
Shannon: Thank you Dr. Jay!!
ElisaMarie: Thank You! : )
marisa: thank you for popping in
Lanie: g-night thanks
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Your MIL is misinformed. The dairy industry spends hundreds
of millions of dollars every years trying to convince us that . . .
back is white
Dr_Jay_Gordon: and they have succeed for the most part
thebabysbym: Thank you so much for coming! I really appreciate all your
information, Dr. Gordon.
Dr_Jay_Gordon: milk weakens bones
marisa: she also says she is a OT and knows because that is what
they taught her in med school
Dr_Jay_Gordon: look up the Harvard study of 40,000 women over many decades
seinla: wish my husband was here to read this ... always getting
onto me about drinking more milk
Webmama_Tina: SEINLA....it will be on mommychats later...i'll be posting
the transcripts
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Marisa, she's wrong and you can show it to her in writing
Webmama_Tina: you go dr jay! LOL
Dr_Jay_Gordon: She's probably heard of Harvard Medical School
QuietishElf: *laughter*
Dr_Jay_Gordon: They're the ones who have done the major research
Shannon: roflmao
marisa: LOL thank you
Webmama_Tina: *evil*
Beckie: LOL
Webmama_Tina: oh you funny guy
Beckie: Thank you Dr Gordon! This was great!!
Webmama_Tina: thank you so much dr jay!
QuietishElf: <---runs to buy your book
Dr_Jay_Gordon: OK, I will run off now. Thank you all!!!!!
QuietishElf: Thank YOU
Webmama_Tina: let me know if you'd like to do it again sometime
thebabysbym: Thanks!
Shannon: THANK YOU!!
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Tina, I'd love to
marisa: thank you again
Chava: good night!
Dr_Jay_Gordon: Night all! Thanks!!!
Webmama_Tina: and y'all are free to stick around if you want to chat
amongst yourselves
