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12:03:48 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
OFFICIAL START OF EMOTIONAL LIVES OF CHILDREN CHAT |
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12:04:00 |
lovthatlea |
k.....I'm Wendy of
www.vaccinetruth.com |
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12:04:14 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Wendy, do you want to say more? |
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12:04:27 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Like where you are based? |
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12:04:46 |
lovthatlea |
I could go on forever about vaccines should you wish! :) |
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12:05:06 |
lovthatlea |
I am in Florida, gainesville area |
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12:05:29 |
shannon562 |
hello |
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12:05:35 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Do you just have your website, or what else do you do in
terms of vaccine awareness? |
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12:05:50 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Hi Shannon, we are having introductions of our guests |
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12:06:34 |
lovthatlea |
I give talks about vaccines at our local college and
anyone that stands within a certain radius of me gets a
vaccine lecture! |
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12:06:48 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
:) |
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12:07:00 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Great, Kimberley, do you want to introduce yourself? |
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12:07:06 |
kimmedlin |
Yes.... |
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12:07:09 |
lovthatlea |
I also hand out flyers at the local health dept until I
am thrown out |
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12:07:09 |
vaclib |
Sara, just logged on. This is Ingri/vaclib. Hi everyone! |
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12:07:17 |
kimmedlin |
Kimberley Medlin here..... |
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12:07:18 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Hi! |
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12:07:25 |
lovthatlea |
Hi! |
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12:07:42 |
kimmedlin |
I am the Director for the Vaclib (Arizona) |
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12:07:55 |
kimmedlin |
my website is
www.vaccinationsandSIDS.com |
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12:08:05 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Do you want to say more? |
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12:08:16 |
kimmedlin |
I worked side-by-side on the Janet Burton Case |
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12:08:24 |
vaclib |
I am the director of VacLib national and co-director of
our Idaho chapter.
www.vaccinetruth.com |
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12:08:46 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
VacLib is Ingri |
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12:09:07 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Kimberely, do you want to say briefly what the janet
burton case was |
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12:09:14 |
kimmedlin |
Yes.... |
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12:10:01 |
kimmedlin |
The father of Janet's two children managed to get the
Arizona court to order vaccinations |
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12:10:02 |
vaclib |
If anyone wants to know more about the Janet Burton
case, they can do a simple google search and Kimberly's
website and ours will come up with the entire story of
forced vaccination at the hands of the state of Arizona |
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12:10:37 |
kimmedlin |
The youngest of the two has now developed asthma and his
pupillary reflex has been damaged. |
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12:11:02 |
kimmedlin |
Currently, the case isat a rest"" |
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12:11:05 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
The parents were divorced? |
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12:11:16 |
kimmedlin |
Yes, they were divorced |
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12:11:20 |
lovthatlea |
they were unvaxxed until 6 right? |
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12:11:26 |
kimmedlin |
yes |
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12:11:44 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
I see we are getting more chatters.. |
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12:11:47 |
lovthatlea |
So it is easy to see the damage in a healthy kid |
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12:12:07 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Let's finish with the introductions so we can start with
questions |
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12:12:21 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Ingri, would you like to say anything more about
yourself? |
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12:13:14 |
swathi_pathak@yahoo.comn |
Hi i have done that... |
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12:13:32 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Hi Swathi |
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12:13:36 |
swathi_pathak@yahoo.comn |
Hi |
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12:13:37 |
vaclib |
I am a new grandma and come from a non-vaccinating,
non-doctoring family. We started VacLib due to the
incredible pressure from the state and doctors to force
this form of medical experimentation on our children. |
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12:14:07 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
When did you start it? |
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12:14:41 |
vaclib |
In 1998 with the Idaho chapter. In 2000 we went national
and got our website up. |
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12:15:25 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Let's start with questions. If you have a question,
type a ?" in an I will start a queue." |
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12:16:06 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Do any of you have questions for the guests? |
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12:16:25 |
dddevane |
There are other non-vac groups out there. What did you
think was missing in that you felt the need to start a
different non-vac org? |
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12:17:16 |
dddevane |
I'm sorry for not following the format :banghead |
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12:17:27 |
kimmedlin |
Unlike many groups, VacLib is not about being
politically correct |
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12:17:29 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
That's okay, you can be first! |
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12:17:38 |
lovthatlea |
So many of them don't tell the whole truth...like some
just want the mercury out of vaccines...there is so much
more to them |
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12:18:04 |
kimmedlin |
VacLib is against vaccines entirely |
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12:18:13 |
vaclib |
I am not aware of any other non-vax groups. There are
pro-choice and informed choice groups but there was
nothing in our state at the time. In 2000, when we had
70 members in our state, we attempted to join NVIC and
was told that they would not accept us as an affiliated
chapter due to our anti-vax stance |
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12:18:30 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Wow! |
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12:18:50 |
lovthatlea |
a lot of the others are bigpharma backed as well |
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12:19:08 |
dddevane |
? So are you saying the the non-vax groups are not
REALLY non-vax? |
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12:19:24 |
kimmedlin |
Most are not |
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12:19:33 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Can you say which ones ar big pharma backed? |
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12:19:57 |
kimmedlin |
suspicion rests on NVIC |
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12:20:05 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Wow! |
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12:20:10 |
lovthatlea |
some of them....haven't you seen the whole safer
vaccine" kick they are on? As if there is a safe
vaccine" |
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12:20:41 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Can yo u expalin why there is no such thing as a safe
vaccine? |
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12:20:52 |
vaclib |
I should clarify, we were members of NVIC -- they just
didn't want us to be an NVIC chapter... Yes, the other
groups out there will not profess to be anti-vax since
they depend on funding and a 501(c)3 non-profit status.
We are a totally volunteer network with no corporate
funding. |
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12:21:27 |
lovthatlea |
Sure you can't inject hideous poisons into children and
think nothing will happen |
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12:21:32 |
kimmedlin |
There were problems with the first vaccines |
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12:22:14 |
vaclib |
Every ingredient in vaccines is foreign to the body and
most ingredients such as formaldehyde, thimerosal and
aluminum are also carcinogens |
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12:22:28 |
kimmedlin |
smallpox and polio were never eradicated by the vaccine |
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12:22:33 |
lovthatlea |
one quick check of the ingredients will
explain.....aluminum, formaldahyde, mercury, RNA and DNA
from diseased animal tissue...yuck |
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12:22:49 |
lovthatlea |
how could this somehow be helpful? |
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12:23:01 |
swathi_pathak@yahoo.comn |
?so what do you suggest, we don't give vaccines to kids |
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12:23:16 |
kimmedlin |
exactly |
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12:23:19 |
lovthatlea |
The would be a big YES! |
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12:24:10 |
swathi_pathak@yahoo.comn |
but for school admissions we have the immunization card
right |
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12:24:11 |
kimmedlin |
There are no credible health/risk analysis on
vaccinations unaccompanied by conflict of interest |
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12:24:12 |
vaclib |
The more you research, the more you will truly want to
protect your kids from injections of all kinds. Love
Them, Protect Them, Never Inject Them -- a jingle Dewey
came up with (our webservant)" |
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12:24:41 |
lovthatlea |
NO.....in most states exemptions are easy.... |
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12:24:54 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Swathi, what state are you in? |
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12:24:59 |
swathi_pathak@yahoo.comn |
CA |
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12:25:08 |
kimmedlin |
California is easy |
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12:25:11 |
lovthatlea |
Easiest state! |
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12:25:11 |
vaclib |
If you send your child to public school, you can ask for
an exemption form. You can also access these exemptions
and your state law on our website
www.vaclib.org |
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12:25:36 |
swathi_pathak@yahoo.comn |
Thanks |
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12:25:39 |
kimmedlin |
county health department offices also provide these
exemption forms upon request |
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12:26:04 |
lovthatlea |
The school will try and trick you into believing they
are mandatory ...they are not |
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12:26:10 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Forget about the queue... if you have a question, just
jump in |
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12:26:38 |
lovthatlea |
anyone have an unvaxxed baby? |
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12:26:42 |
kimmedlin |
that is because teh school receives $50-$100 per
registered child inoculated |
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12:26:50 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
yes. me |
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12:27:02 |
lovthatlea |
I know Ingri's is what 20 and unvaxxed? |
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12:27:05 |
ourwiefamily |
I havve 5 unvaxed children (11yo down to 7mo) and one
partially vaxed child (now 13yo) |
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12:27:24 |
lovthatlea |
Oh!!! how wonderful!!! |
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12:27:36 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
wow, the school only receives $$ if they are innoculated? |
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12:27:38 |
vaclib |
Do you notice that your baby is healthier than their
vaccinated peers"?" |
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12:27:50 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Yes, I've noticed that for sure |
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12:27:52 |
ourwiefamily |
Is there ever a time when the benefits of vaxing
outweigh risks? Just wondering for third world travel
in particular. |
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12:27:59 |
lovthatlea |
I have a page on my site of unvaxxed children ...just
for moms to see they are fine... |
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12:27:59 |
kimmedlin |
School districts also receive up to $100 per child on
ritalin |
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12:28:14 |
kimmedlin |
there are NO benefits |
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12:28:16 |
lovthatlea |
never..... |
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12:28:32 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Whoa! who gives them the $$$ big pharma |
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12:28:45 |
vaclib |
I believe that Dr. Tenpenny is addressing this thrid
world question in a future Mothering mag column |
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12:28:58 |
swathi_pathak@yahoo.comn |
In what way are unvaxxed kids healthy? |
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12:29:00 |
lovthatlea |
Good I love her stuff |
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12:29:13 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
She did answer a question recently for a mom traveling
to India |
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12:29:23 |
vaclib |
Also, if you want more info. on this, I have a lot so
email me off this chat vaclib@coldreams.com |
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12:29:25 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
THe question/answer are online |
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12:29:32 |
ourwiefamily |
No, I have not seen that my unvaxed babies are all
healthier ... I have one child (my 11yo) who had a
severe milk protein allergy who was very very ill a lot
despite not being vaxed ~ I just also think he may have
been *worse* if we had vaxed. |
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12:29:40 |
kimmedlin |
There are pharma representatives that sit on the CDC
immmunization advisory board. This board makes up the
reccomendations |
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12:30:09 |
kimmedlin |
Also making up the schedule |
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12:30:12 |
lovthatlea |
Milk is also hideous....my kids have never had it. |
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12:30:31 |
Liba |
sorry, I got called away at work, but I have a couple
questions... we are moving to Israel soon and Hep A
shots have been highly recomended for our whole family
and I just recently got a huge lecture on the dangers of
chickenpox... does the shot even work |
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12:30:44 |
lovthatlea |
no.. |
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12:30:53 |
kimmedlin |
the 60% efficacy claim |
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12:31:04 |
Liba |
I quoted that to him and he insists I am wrong |
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12:31:09 |
kimmedlin |
is only for %60 antibody production from the CP
vaccination |
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12:31:20 |
Liba |
told me that it works and even the kids who get CP get
it with less severity |
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12:31:35 |
lovthatlea |
wash you hands if you don't want Hep A..most people
don't even know they have it its so mild |
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12:31:40 |
vaclib |
There is so many factors that contribute to overall
health. But avoiding pasteurized dairy products, junk
food and boosting vitamin C intake are basic in my mind
to improve overall health. |
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12:31:52 |
TurboClaudia |
aren't they recommending a booster for CP now because of
the low efficacy? |
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12:31:57 |
Liba |
I told him that my vacced child had no antibodies and he
insisted that the blood test just wasn't a good one |
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12:32:14 |
kimmedlin |
yes, less severity after childhood incolation puts a
child at great risk for hospitalization in the future |
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12:32:25 |
lovthatlea |
yes!!! the first one doesn't work so we must need one
more! :banghead |
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12:32:30 |
Liba |
LOL you all sound like me, he had flames coming from his
ears |
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12:32:49 |
Liba |
I told him that he and his shot were all putting us at
greater risk for shingles too |
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12:32:51 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
What do youmean KIm? |
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12:32:58 |
TurboClaudia |
and i read that the CP vaccine is now REQUIRED for
students on Long Island, NY |
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12:33:08 |
kimmedlin |
also, a study was put out that adults develop shingles
after contact with a vaccinated child |
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12:33:09 |
lovthatlea |
criminals.. |
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12:33:27 |
lovthatlea |
yes the vaccines shed |
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12:33:28 |
Liba |
I was told my dd can't go to school tomorow without MMR
1, 2, and 3 and IPV and varicella |
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12:33:32 |
swathi_pathak@yahoo.comn |
I am sorry but hwta is shingles? |
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12:33:34 |
vaclib |
Dr. Gary Goldman has done the definitive research on the
chickenpox vax/shingles link |
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12:33:45 |
dddevane |
Okay, I am trying to figure out why Chicken pox is
dangerous. I had chickenpox when I was a child. My
brother had chicken pox. Most of the kids in my
neighborhood had chickenpox. I don't recall any deaths
or adverse reactions to the disease. You just |
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12:33:46 |
lovthatlea |
what state are you in Liba |
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12:33:51 |
Liba |
Massachusetts |
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12:34:11 |
Liba |
the school (private) doesn't care, but the state paid
school nurse is up in arms |
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12:34:12 |
dddevane |
get the chicken pox disease, and wait for the body to
fight it off. |
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12:34:15 |
lovthatlea |
Ingri do you know off the top of your head? religious
exemptions? |
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12:34:31 |
dddevane |
Am I wrong about the dangers of the Chickenpox disease? |
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12:34:37 |
kimmedlin |
Yes |
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12:34:49 |
dddevane |
I'm not getting why there is a need for a chicken pox
vaccine. |
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12:34:52 |
Liba |
;) in a religious school I can't see it going over
well... especially since she is selectively immunized |
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12:34:53 |
lovthatlea |
ask her to give you her bank account number and if
something adverse happens after the shot you could have
access to her funds |
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12:34:56 |
kimmedlin |
the dangers of CP is not as doctors are taught it to be |
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12:35:21 |
vaclib |
In Mass. there is a religious exemption. Jamie Murphy is
head of VacLib in Mass. Please contact him -- on our
website under resources/state chapters |
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12:35:45 |
Liba |
I have an immunocompromized child who we stupidly
vaccinated... they know my objections are philisophical
not religious |
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12:35:58 |
lovthatlea |
MMR is made with aborted fetal tissue...bring that up at
religious school! |
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12:36:03 |
Liba |
moral actually ;) |
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12:36:06 |
kimmedlin |
It is the vaccine that has exacerbated the CP problems |
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12:36:12 |
ourwiefamily |
the chicken pox saga is what really diminished *ANY*
remaining respect I had for the vaccine companies and
the entire push for vaxing |
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12:36:21 |
vaclib |
People change religions like they do spouses these days.
Don't let that intimidate you. |
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12:36:38 |
lovthatlea |
Wish I could go with you! |
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12:36:38 |
Liba |
it is sick! the reason for the CP vaccine is so parents
don't have to miss work LOL |
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12:37:06 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
:D |
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12:37:07 |
ourwiefamily |
remember the commercial on tv with the crying teddy bear
saying we wouldn't let our kids play in the street so
how could we let them go w/o the c-pox vaccine??? |
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12:37:11 |
kimmedlin |
Liba: That is not even a valid reason for the CP
vaccine |
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12:37:34 |
ourwiefamily |
that was the day I threw up my hands in the air and lost
any respect for them |
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12:37:38 |
Liba |
I have a BIL who had a bad case of hep A, as an adult,
it seems that kids are usually okay, would anyone here
consider vaccinating an adult? |
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12:37:51 |
vaclib |
Also, I have in my emails a recent win with a Catholic
school over the use of aborted fetal tissue used to
culture the CP vax. They successfully got a religious
exemption. I believe they pulled in the gal with
www.cogforlife.org
Kim, you recently interviewed her on your radio show? |
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12:37:55 |
lovthatlea |
NEVER! |
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12:38:15 |
kimmedlin |
CDC is notorious for this: If you tell a lie often
enough, it will be believed |
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12:38:35 |
Liba |
LOL :) my BIL was hospitilized so I am nervous |
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12:38:40 |
kimmedlin |
No adult needs a vaccine |
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12:38:44 |
lovthatlea |
vaccines don't work...no one knows how the immune system
works why inject something that no one is sure of the
outcome? |
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12:38:47 |
Liba |
liver damage, etc |
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12:38:50 |
kimmedlin |
No adult has ever benefited from vaccines |
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12:39:18 |
lovthatlea |
If you are trying to avoid a disease....why inject them
in? |
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12:39:25 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Do others of you have questions? |
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12:39:28 |
Liba |
my 7 year old had one MMR and it did work so far ;) she
is still immune on the titers 6 years later, no boosters
needed. who ever decided when and how often to do those
boosters? |
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12:39:31 |
ourwiefamily |
I keep debating about the tetanus vaccine ... I know you
are going to tell me not to get it for my kids :) But
tell me WHY to bolster me please! We would only give it
to the kids 7y and older to be able to get the tetanus
solo. |
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12:39:47 |
kimmedlin |
There are no difinitive analysis that irrfutably come to
any conclusion of benefit |
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12:39:52 |
vaclib |
What people need to do is examine the true
effectiveness" of Hep A shots. How do they work? What is
the track record of people getting the shot and then
contracting Hep A? The CDC admits that no shot is 100%
effective, let alone, safe." |
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12:39:56 |
kimmedlin |
ALL tetanus vaccines have 25 mcg of mercury |
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12:40:11 |
Liba |
wow all of them? |
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12:40:21 |
kimmedlin |
the TET vaccine has never been conclusively proven to
prevent tetanus |
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12:40:23 |
kimmedlin |
Yes, all of them |
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12:40:24 |
lovthatlea |
it has 25 micrograms of mercury for one...its a bacteria
for another... |
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12:40:41 |
Liba |
I was doing the vaccines one at a time and my baby
reacted really badly to the DTaP, if anyone wants to
learn from my mistakes please do so ;) |
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12:40:42 |
ourwiefamily |
I thought mercury was removed from all domestic
childhood vaccines? |
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12:41:15 |
lovthatlea |
Ha!!! they can't its in the manufacturing process |
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12:41:15 |
Liba |
not removed, reduced to the point where they don't
declare it |
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12:41:20 |
vaclib |
Yes, tetanus is a spore that thrives in a deep wound
that is deprived of oxygen. No vaccine can protect one
from dirty wound hygiene. |
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12:41:25 |
ourwiefamily |
hmmm |
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12:41:31 |
kimmedlin |
mercury removal is one of the biggest lies |
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12:41:56 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Plus, if a wound is well washed and you let it bleed,
isnt that the best protection from tetanus? |
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12:41:57 |
kimmedlin |
More vaccine manufacturers have provided mercury free"
vaccines but they have NEVER removed mercury" |
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12:42:02 |
lovthatlea |
can you become immune from a bacteria? I don't think
so. Ingri do you know? |
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12:42:21 |
kimmedlin |
Mercury free vaccines are extremely limited |
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12:42:28 |
kimmedlin |
...and more expensive |
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12:42:41 |
vaclib |
Regarding Mercury-free vaccines, HAPI has lab analyzed
these vaccines and ALL of them had mercury, and lead
too... |
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12:42:52 |
kimmedlin |
the mercury label has also been removed from mercury
containing vials |
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12:42:57 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Whats HAPI? |
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12:43:02 |
Liba |
and what about all the wonderful aluminum? |
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12:43:14 |
lovthatlea |
Alzheimers!!! |
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12:43:21 |
Liba |
yes |
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12:43:22 |
vaclib |
www.hapihealth.com
Health Advocacy in the Public Interest |
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12:43:26 |
kimmedlin |
mercury containing vaccines have also been removed from
the PDR (physician's desk reference) |
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12:43:34 |
Liba |
and lumps under the skin which take months to go away |
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12:43:46 |
swathi_pathak@yahoo.comn |
what about the ful shots? |
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12:43:56 |
lovthatlea |
25 micrograms.... |
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12:44:01 |
kimmedlin |
These are two dangerous reasons why pediatricians are
not aware that their vaccines still have mercury in them |
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12:44:03 |
swathi_pathak@yahoo.comn |
i meant flu shots |
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12:44:26 |
kimmedlin |
according to CDC, they all have 25 mcg of mercury |
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12:44:34 |
Liba |
where can I get articles which show that the CP vaccine
isn't efficacious? |
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12:44:40 |
ourwiefamily |
the flu shots is what got my mom to finally be against
vaxing! She used to think I was a little nuts, but now
she is So Glad we never vaxed the youngest 5 and that we
stopped w/ our oldest. |
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12:44:41 |
lovthatlea |
who wants dead virures injected into their kids? |
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12:44:41 |
vaclib |
Yep, flu shots have 25 mcg just as Wendy said |
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12:44:45 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
I was just talking to a progressive" ped yesterday wh
otold me mercury had been removed" |
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12:45:08 |
kimmedlin |
email me for the CP article
medlins@cableone.net |
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12:45:09 |
Liba |
lovthatlea or live viruses? |
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12:45:22 |
lovthatlea |
make him show you the package insert and the ask him if
they are avain leukosis free |
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12:45:49 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
What is that? A bird disease |
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12:45:51 |
vaclib |
www.vaccinetruth.org and
www.vaclib.org
both have search engines and info on CP |
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12:46:04 |
lovthatlea |
since its made in chicken eggs they are contaminated
with chicken virus |
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12:46:07 |
ourwiefamily |
my best friend got polio from the live polio years ago |
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12:46:17 |
kimmedlin |
luekemia |
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12:47:19 |
Liba |
did I freeze? I can't see what is happening. |
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12:47:21 |
lovthatlea |
good news...to make you all feel better...FDA has asked
them to start screening for AL ....isn't that great! |
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12:47:50 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
what do you mean? |
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12:47:52 |
lovthatlea |
I see you Liba but didn't understand your ? |
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12:47:58 |
kimmedlin |
ingri and wendy correct me if I'm wrong: but I believe
the facts are in simple terms-leukemia is a virus
naturally exisiting in the chicken eggs on which the
influenza viruses are replicated for vaccine
manufacturing |
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12:48:10 |
Liba |
never mind, I see the chat now. sorry. |
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12:48:21 |
ourwiefamily |
Liba .... you said your baby reacted to the DTaP? My
eldest reacted to the DTP. So is the DTaP really safer"
than the DTP?" |
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12:48:28 |
vaclib |
If you read Benjamin McRearden's article What is Coming
Through That Needle? THe Problem with Pathogenic Vaccine
Contamination -- you will see that all vaccines are
contaminated by nature. The article has 116 footnotes
and Tenpenny checked all 116 and they all check out... |
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12:48:38 |
Liba |
out ped said no more P or aP for my baby |
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12:49:11 |
kimmedlin |
There is no beneficial/risk difference in those two
vaccines: DTP and DTaP |
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12:49:23 |
Liba |
she had a high fever and screamed and was unresonsive to
voice or comforting for several hours the night after
the vaccine |
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12:49:25 |
Liba |
HOURS |
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12:49:38 |
Liba |
unresponsive |
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12:49:46 |
kimmedlin |
Liba: that's brain damage in progress |
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12:49:48 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
poor thing! |
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12:49:48 |
ourwiefamily |
I had to fight for no more P ... really fight back 13y
ago. That was what started me looking into vaxing in
general and then I quit. Just think, if the dr had
taken me seriously, I may have kept vaxing! |
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12:49:51 |
Liba |
:( |
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12:50:00 |
lovthatlea |
mine seized 8x's a day for 3 months after dpat |
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12:50:01 |
Liba |
fists clenched, body trembeling |
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12:50:18 |
Liba |
our ped thought it was the pretusis |
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12:50:31 |
kimmedlin |
Liba:very common reactions |
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12:50:37 |
Liba |
that is what he said. |
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12:50:38 |
ourwiefamily |
See ... I have felt so unsure what to tell new moms
these days about the new DTaP ... what is written about
it that I can refer them to? |
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12:50:40 |
lovthatlea |
amazing ...most won't admit anything |
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12:51:05 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
What about these moms wh o say their kids have no
adverse effects? What can you say to them? |
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12:51:10 |
lovthatlea |
send them my website |
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12:51:15 |
Liba |
he is good, puts up with my no more than one shot at a
time business, I know I should do it at all, but i am
having trouble with that, and no shots before 6 months |
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12:51:21 |
ourwiefamily |
please give website again |
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12:51:23 |
lovthatlea |
some adverse events take years... |
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12:51:25 |
Liba |
they are darn lucky LOL |
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12:51:29 |
vaclib |
Makes me cry hearing these stories. This is why I tell
people to only see a naturopath, chiro or other
alternative practitioner. MDs are trained by medical
schools that are funded in large part by big Pharma. So
sad... |
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12:51:30 |
kimmedlin |
No adverse effects? |
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12:51:49 |
kimmedlin |
Edverse effects can take place up to 8 years |
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12:51:54 |
Liba |
:-/ |
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12:51:55 |
kimmedlin |
and beyond |
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12:52:16 |
maemery |
? |
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12:52:16 |
kimmedlin |
Anything can happen to a child that can be a result of
vaccination |
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12:52:17 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Yeah, except the child sleeps a lot after teh vaccine..
that's an adverse effect, isn't it? |
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12:52:18 |
lovthatlea |
like in the polio vaccine....a monkey virus cmv...is
actually colon cancer...would you attribute that to your
polio vaccine? no |
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12:52:28 |
vaclib |
www.vaccinationsandSIDS.com
www.vaclib.org
www.vaccinetruth.org |
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12:52:28 |
Liba |
my oldest has a bone marrow failure syndrom and muscular
dystrophy (mild) I worry about not getting her immunity |
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12:53:12 |
Liba |
mommy guilt goes both ways so strongly |
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12:53:14 |
lovthatlea |
injecting poison and dead virus would not be the way to
get immunity! |
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12:53:19 |
kimmedlin |
Liba: vaccines will only add to the problems with your
oldest |
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12:53:24 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
maemery, you have a question-go ahead |
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12:53:30 |
lovthatlea |
guilt...my life story |
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12:53:56 |
swathi_pathak@yahoo.comn |
mod_Sarah_PHD: Can you clarify the adverse effect child
sleeping? |
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12:54:03 |
maemery |
I see a naturopath doc and he has recommended 3 vax
measles, tetanus and diptheria and polio...I really
don't want to vaxx at all, but now am not sure what to
do |
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12:54:04 |
Liba |
so far we have gotten away with one injection and titers
for some of them LOL she is immune |
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12:54:09 |
vaclib |
Liba, I wrote an article about the use of taheebo tea (Pau
d'Arco) that you can find on our website or at
www.idaho-observer.com |
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12:54:14 |
ourwiefamily |
our doctor (family practice) is fairly used to non-vaxing
parents so doesn't bother us |
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12:54:39 |
kimmedlin |
sarah: you want elaboration on why a child can't sleep
after inoculation? |
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12:54:41 |
lovthatlea |
fire the naturopath..he is a fake for sure. |
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12:54:53 |
Liba |
why polio?? |
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12:55:05 |
Liba |
if we weren't moving to the middle east I never would
even consider it! |
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12:55:18 |
vaclib |
Where di your naturopath get her/his training??? Wow! |
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12:55:21 |
lovthatlea |
59 seperate monkey virus in that one....that one to me
is the most scary. |
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12:55:49 |
kimmedlin |
vaccination for travel has resulted in infection and
even autism |
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12:55:51 |
maemery |
I have no idea...but it's one that is scaring my husband
the most...I do have an elderly cousin 65 y.o. w/polio |
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12:55:52 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
It was a question... lots of moms say their chid sleeps
for a long time after being vaccinated... is that a sign
of damage? |
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12:55:56 |
lovthatlea |
its made in monkey kidney tissue..... |
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12:56:10 |
kimmedlin |
it could very easily be a sign |
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12:56:27 |
kimmedlin |
A common reaction is parents not being able to wake up
their infants |
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12:56:29 |
lovthatlea |
I have a good article on sleeping after dpat by dr
Torche..... |
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12:56:44 |
maemery |
I'm bot sure where my naturopath got his training
from...but he was/is and MD as well |
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12:56:56 |
ImMom98 |
My dh's sister and brother's sons both have a form of
autism, and he keeps trying to tell his mom that that is
one reason why we don't vax. She claims it can't be
genetic or vaccines. My dh tries to tell her that he
feels it is a combo of both.... |
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12:57:01 |
ImMom98 |
what do you think? |
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12:57:03 |
lovthatlea |
they sleep to soundly ...don't breath.....that is why
they should be on their backs |
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12:57:03 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
Oh, yes... that seems like something is wrong, doesn't
it? :angel: |
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12:57:03 |
ourwiefamily |
what is hard for me is how so many people (like on
mainstream pg dues lists) tell about bringing their
child for vax and then the crying afterward or the
sleeping or worse and they just accept it as normal" or
for the "greater good" of that child & world" |
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12:57:37 |
vaclib |
Sara, if you read Harris Coulter's book, Vaccination,
Social Violence and Criminality: The Medical Assault on
the American Brain, you will find that every vaccine
causes some degree of encephalitis or swelling of the
brain.... |
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12:57:42 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
I know, it is hard! |
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12:57:42 |
lovthatlea |
misinformed....like we all were at one time |
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12:57:50 |
ourwiefamily |
And they say things like I hate to see my baby cry, but
this is what being a good mom is"." |
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12:58:12 |
lovthatlea |
ugggg :banghead |
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12:58:27 |
vaclib |
That explains it -- the MD" training -- or brainwashing?
:-)" |
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12:58:39 |
ourwiefamily |
And sometimes there are these kind of jabs" at those of
us who don't vax, at least it seems like it, yk? I want
to yell that sometimes being a good mom means doing
something counter cultural." |
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12:58:42 |
lovthatlea |
brainwashing! |
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12:58:55 |
kimmedlin |
Most, if not all ped offices will tell parents that
fevers, rash, inconsolable crying...etc. are normal and
a sign of good health...but they are wrong |
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12:59:01 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
I find even most otherwise progressive people are
brainwashed about vaccines and psychiatric meds |
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12:59:25 |
kimmedlin |
That is how imbedded into the culture vaccines are |
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12:59:46 |
lovthatlea |
that is why we all need billboard in our states...to
help advertise there is an alternative |
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12:59:55 |
lovthatlea |
just like they do |
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12:59:57 |
ourwiefamily |
It really took me out of my comfort zone to stop vaxing.
I was such a good" girl, yk." |
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13:00:15 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
I see it is almost 11 am. Do you experts need to go
now? |
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13:00:17 |
kimmedlin |
As I said earlier: If a lie is repeated often enough, it
will be believed....even by the masses. This is the
same technique used by Hitler |
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13:00:17 |
lovthatlea |
and a GREAT MOM!!! |
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13:00:42 |
lovthatlea |
I don't |
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13:00:48 |
maemery |
How do I calm my husbands fears about not vaxxing? |
|
13:00:48 |
kimmedlin |
I don't |
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13:01:02 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
If you all would like to keep going it is fne |
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13:01:05 |
lovthatlea |
let him read my site or kims site or Ingri's site |
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13:01:19 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
I need to go soon cause baby is calling! |
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13:01:19 |
lovthatlea |
Heck I call him up and talk to him! |
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13:01:26 |
vaclib |
Regarding normal" reactions to shots, I like the
bellcurve analogy of minor reactions at one end and
death or permanent disablity at the other end -- but
what is under the hump? What happens to the majority of
kids as a result of vaccines?" |
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13:01:46 |
Mod_SarahPhD |
THank you all for a fantastic chat! |
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13:01:46 |
kimmedlin |
The MD's against vaccines are the ones that have spent
countless hours researching through information they are
not given in med school |
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13:01:59 |
swathi_pathak@yahoo.comn |
thank you |
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13:02:12 |
ImMom98 |
what is everyone's comeback when someone says that
autism isn't caused by vaccines? |
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13:02:18 |
lovthatlea |
pro vaccine doctors haven't studied |
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13:02:38 |
overthehills |
new to this, but struggling with idea that its an odds
game, which is better? contracting say Hep B or the odds
unknown reactions |
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13:02:42 |
kimmedlin |
It is true that there are other factors at work beside
vaccines contributing to autism |
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13:02:46 |
ourwiefamily |
Honestly ... I just don't tell them anymore. :( |
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13:03:13 |
lovthatlea |
I say really? What does happen when you inject kids with
237 micrograms of mercury? |
|
13:03:21 |
kimmedlin |
however, vaccines are the common direct exposure to
mercury children receive |
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13:03:25 |
onthebrink |
hi - still chatting? |
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13:03:30 |
vaclib |
Get the REAL transcripts of the IOM meeting in Feb. 2004
on this. Available through VacLib.... The transcriopts
show other experts that have proven the connection --
but this is being suppressed... |
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13:03:45 |
ourwiefamily |
Though ... what I usually say is something like no
option is risk free. That is why it is important to
research. We may come to different conclusions looking
even at the same resource, but it's important for us to
make informed decisions."" |
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13:03:48 |
lovthatlea |
yes we are still chatting. |
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13:04:07 |
kimmedlin |
a natural infection of hepatitis b is beneficia
(speaking from experience) |
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13:04:17 |
vaclib |
Thanks everyone! I have a VacLib call I need to return
-- she's called twice now... :-) |
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13:04:31 |
lovthatlea |
see ya Ingri!!! |
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13:04:35 |
kimmedlin |
natural infection is followed by lifetime immunity |
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13:04:36 |
ourwiefamily |
And I find that often when others do their own research,
they at minimum modify their vax stance ... either
delaying or selective or stopping altogether. |
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13:04:52 |
overthehills |
yeah? so different from the info i've gotten so for |
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13:05:14 |
kimmedlin |
If you research vaccines and continue to vaccinate your
children, you haven't researched enough |
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13:05:30 |
lovthatlea |
what have you seen over the hill? |
|
13:05:30 |
overthehills |
hear there was severe liver damage asso. with disease |
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13:05:51 |
lovthatlea |
in a severally immunocompromised person maybe |
|
13:06:08 |
maemery |
I've got my husband down to only wanting to do the three
vaccines Polio, tetanus/dip and measles)...but beyond
that he's not budging |
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13:06:12 |
onthebrink |
kim - do you really think so? |
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13:06:12 |
ourwiefamily |
kimmedlin interesting point! |
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13:06:19 |
kimmedlin |
I know so |
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13:06:28 |
onthebrink |
hmm... interesting! |
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13:06:58 |
kimmedlin |
the risks are still there even for children who's
parents wait |
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13:07:00 |
ourwiefamily |
I have gotten to a point in my life where I don't spend
as much time trying to convert or get the word out. I'm
more just wanting to make my decisions and have people
just leave me alone. Am I getting old and crabby or
what? |
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13:07:04 |
onthebrink |
(we vax. i am not here to debate. it would be rude of
me!) |
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13:07:27 |
onthebrink |
karla - i hear ya on that!!! |
|
13:07:27 |
lovthatlea |
oh please debate!!! That makes it fun! |
|
13:07:38 |
onthebrink |
:) too tired to debate! |
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13:07:44 |
kimmedlin |
children are now being diagnosed with late onset autism
even at 4 years of age and older |
|
13:07:53 |
overthehills |
can find the site at hand, sorry, Ped's diatribe as well |
|
13:07:58 |
onthebrink |
a non-sleeping 7 month old makes a cranky mama! |
|
13:08:02 |
lovthatlea |
how old are your kids? |
|
13:08:24 |
onthebrink |
7 months (boy) and 4 years (girl) |
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13:08:35 |
lovthatlea |
both vaxxed? |
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13:08:47 |
overthehills |
sorry ww2 just broke out, arg |
|
13:08:51 |
onthebrink |
yes |
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13:09:10 |
onthebrink |
i wish more people would use mommychats more often!
it's so cool! |
|
13:09:29 |
kimmedlin |
If vaccines don't work for infants or adults, how will
they work for children and/or teens? |
|
13:09:37 |
lovthatlea |
I wish I could go back to believing vaccines are
good....what do you say in your mind when you do it? |
|
13:10:24 |
kimmedlin |
Safety and efficacy of vaccines have never been
conclusively proven |
|
13:10:28 |
onthebrink |
are those questions for me? i'm lost! |
|
13:10:39 |
lovthatlea |
yes...onthe brink! |
|
13:10:39 |
kimmedlin |
There are no difinitive benefit/risk analysis for ANY
vaccine |
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13:10:58 |
kimmedlin |
Questions for everyone |
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13:11:05 |
onthebrink |
sorry! multitasking! |
|
13:11:07 |
ourwiefamily |
my biggest things w/ vaxing ... 1) I do NOT believe it
should be required by any law. I think the parents
should have last word to say no. 2) I would like true
information to be given out ... clearly and concisely.
There are so many lies told. |
|
13:11:28 |
onthebrink |
i think about how i know this is the best choice for us. |
|
13:11:40 |
maemery |
I'm with you onthat one Kim |
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13:11:45 |
kimmedlin |
Vaccines are a black/white issue |
|
13:11:48 |
onthebrink |
karla - i agree, esp with #1!!! |
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13:12:11 |
kimmedlin |
Going ahead with vaccines is to go ahead with half
truths/ half lies |
|
13:12:17 |
onthebrink |
kim - i disagree. few things are b/w |
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13:12:41 |
lovthatlea |
please share your side...why do you vaccinate |
|
13:12:51 |
ourwiefamily |
Of course ... I also wish that medicine that they would
focus on TRUE prevention in all areas instead of always
treating symptoms |
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13:13:15 |
onthebrink |
a truth is that lots of kids have been veru sick or dead
because of things that vax can prevent. i don't want
that kind of truth in my family! |
|
13:13:18 |
ourwiefamily |
and I mean, nutrition and finding the cause for ear
infections and things like that |
|
13:13:37 |
kimmedlin |
But is that the truth? |
|
13:13:41 |
onthebrink |
good point karla/ourwiefamily! |
|
13:13:46 |
kimmedlin |
Do ANY vaccines prevent? |
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13:14:00 |
onthebrink |
i think to you can find data to support anything you
want. |
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13:14:29 |
ourwiefamily |
onthebrink ... I have a best friend who got polio from
the vaccine and a son who reacted severely to the DTP
... so that is my reality. :( |
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13:14:34 |
lovthatlea |
my son got whooping cough after 4 vaccines...they called
it acute broncitis.....where was the protection?...then
I realized ...duh I injected wc into him 4 times no
wonder he got it! |
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13:14:36 |
kimmedlin |
According to Merck's own manual, doing anything to
augment an infant's immune system does not prevent
infection or death |
|
13:14:44 |
onthebrink |
there is lots out there that says breastfeeding is no
different from formula. i disagree with that! |
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13:14:50 |
onthebrink |
i'm sorry, karla! |
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13:15:12 |
onthebrink |
my father figure lost his brother to polio and is
disabled because of it. |
|
13:15:29 |
kimmedlin |
And what is polio? |
|
13:15:32 |
kimmedlin |
It is not a virus |
|
13:15:36 |
ourwiefamily |
My best friend's son got german measles even though he
was fully vaxed ... and the doctor was claiming it was
something else because he couldn't get it because he was
vaxed" but ended up there was a big outbreak. It was
scary because he was" |
|
13:15:39 |
kimmedlin |
it is a condition |
|
13:15:44 |
ourwiefamily |
exposed to my pg sister when sick. |
|
13:15:47 |
lovthatlea |
wonder if he was exposed to DDT...like most people with
polio"" |
|
13:15:52 |
kimmedlin |
inflammation of the spinal area and surrounding the
brain |
|
13:16:11 |
kimmedlin |
pharma took proteins from those areas and replicated
them to create the vaccine |
|
13:16:29 |
ourwiefamily |
So to me ... it's just not that clear cut. I see a lot
of damage from teh vax and also from doctors assuming
truths" that aren't true about vaxing (like you can't
get it if you were vaxed)" |
|
13:16:33 |
onthebrink |
i love hearing such passionate mamas! |
|
13:16:47 |
kimmedlin |
those proteins come from individuals with polio
symptoms"" |
|
13:16:53 |
ourwiefamily |
Plus ... my state had a HUGE pertussis outbreak when I
was pg last time. It was fascinating to listen to the
CDC during the outbreak and our state too |
|
13:16:57 |
lovthatlea |
wait until your kids is damaged and join our crusade! |
|
13:17:04 |
onthebrink |
that said - i'm just not up forthe debate today. |
|
13:17:15 |
ourwiefamily |
They kept telling us all to stay calm ... not what they
say most of the time when they are wanting us to vax |
|
13:17:21 |
onthebrink |
wow - ok, signing off |
|
13:17:41 |
lovthatlea |
see ya! |
|
13:18:04 |
ImMom98 |
lol |
|
13:18:10 |
kimmedlin |
I take it everybody else currently in the room does not
vaccinate at all? |
|
13:18:32 |
ourwiefamily |
My doctor (pro vax doctor) said he thought it was
antibiotics and early detection that cut the epidemic
off long before anticipated |
|
13:18:38 |
maemery |
our first child is due in June...hoping not to vaxx at
all |
|
13:18:44 |
lovthatlea |
whats up immom? is that a happy face? |
|
13:18:57 |
ImMom98 |
my oldest is almost fully vax except for her last MMR,
and my 2nd dd is non-vaxed |
|
13:19:02 |
ourwiefamily |
(they expected it to explode when school started, but
instead it dropped off completely) |
|
13:19:08 |
lovthatlea |
yeah!!!! |
|
13:19:30 |
ImMom98 |
no, I typed L-O-L" at your comment and then she lefted" |
|
13:19:48 |
ourwiefamily |
I think most of the time they miss most of the diagnosis
of pertussis because they are assuming because of vaxing
that the person can't have it. |
|
13:20:09 |
kimmedlin |
They also miss due to improper testing |
|
13:20:10 |
maemery |
ImMom, what made you decide not to vaxx 2nd child? |
|
13:20:16 |
ourwiefamily |
anyway ... we really went through agonizing about
whether to vax or not the baby esp since she'd be a
newborn in the middle of what was a huge epidemic |
|
13:20:20 |
ImMom98 |
we stopped vax when my oldest was 4 yr old when I was PG
with #2 and my doula opened my eyes to vaccines |
|
13:20:45 |
lovthatlea |
bless her heart |
|
13:20:54 |
ImMom98 |
my doula was a flake, and I ended up firing her for
other reasons, but I look back today and thank her for
opening our eyes |
|
13:21:04 |
ourwiefamily |
but the CDC was talking about things to do to minimize
and we knew the vax wouldn't protect fully anyway, so we
decided to follow the other measures (common sense ...
no big crowded areas w/ lots of sick people, not letting
strangers or sick people hld bby |
|
13:21:28 |
lovthatlea |
good plan |
|
13:21:39 |
maemery |
I understand the pertussis vax is maybe only about 50%
effective anyway |
|
13:21:43 |
ImMom98 |
Now I regret vaxing my oldest, is there anything to
detox her? |
|
13:21:47 |
ourwiefamily |
like I said, it's amazing how they want everyone to
relax and not panic when in the middle of an epidemic
and how they go out of their way to calm people down and
minimize the disease and stress how well they can treat
it in hospital now, etc. |
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13:22:05 |
ourwiefamily |
But when there is no epidemic they are trying to MAKE
everyone panic so they will get the shot! |
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13:22:13 |
lovthatlea |
fear...they love to stir it up...sells lots of
vaccines.. |
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13:22:32 |
kimmedlin |
Okay, gang |
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13:22:33 |
ourwiefamily |
Okay ... sorry but have to get off the computer now!
bye everyone. Thanks for the great chat and for
bolstering me on the tetanus (to not do it I mean) |
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13:22:40 |
kimmedlin |
bye |
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13:22:43 |
ImMom98 |
bye |
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13:22:49 |
lovthatlea |
Yeah!!! makes me feel great!! |
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13:22:53 |
lovthatlea |
bye |
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13:23:02 |
maemery |
bye thanks |
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13:23:04 |
lovthatlea |
anyone else want to talk? |
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13:23:36 |
ImMom98 |
I am free to talk (hoping my 2 yr old will come and :nak:
) |
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13:24:05 |
ImMom98 |
but u know a toddler nursing is only for a sip here and
there until they are really tired |
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13:24:56 |
maemery |
How is she doing not being vaxxed? Do you see a diff btw
your first and second child? |
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13:25:05 |
ImMom98 |
oh yes! |
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13:25:15 |
ImMom98 |
my dh and I talk about that all the time |
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13:25:20 |
maemery |
In what ways? |
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13:26:09 |
lovthatlea |
healthy I bet! |
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13:26:22 |
ImMom98 |
my firstborn has chronic ear infections starting at 6
months old and then she got tubes @ 18 months cuz she
had fluid that wouldn't go away and constant high temps
from it, and now my 2 yr old has had maybe 3-4 ear
infections that resolved themselves |
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13:26:39 |
lovthatlea |
big difference |
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13:26:49 |
maemery |
wow |
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13:27:03 |
ImMom98 |
my favorite thing that I am so proud of her immune
system is for she had HiB last year which she was sick
with cold like symptoms for 3-4 weeks, but her body
fought it off |
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13:27:27 |
lovthatlea |
anytime you want to write your story of vax vs unvaxxed
let me know |
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13:27:57 |
maemery |
when she got it, were youworried because she wasn't
vaxxed for it? |
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13:28:08 |
ImMom98 |
I had the DR do a nasal culture to see what her sickness
was, and the culture came back with high counts of
H.influenzae bacteria in her respirtory tract |
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13:28:31 |
ImMom98 |
I think what is the point of the vaccine for HiB........so
parents don't miss a month of work? |
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13:28:52 |
maemery |
did you use homeopathy or hebs for it? |
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13:29:07 |
maemery |
ohh I see, easier for the parents!! |
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13:29:25 |
ImMom98 |
when I found out that it was HiB, I read about it and of
course there was terrible stuff out there, but she has
already had it 3 weeks, and I knew she wasn't getting
worse, so I let her fight it |
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13:29:48 |
maemery |
that is awesome! |
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13:29:59 |
ImMom98 |
not really, I took extra Vit C and garlic, but I
realized it was something that just had to work its way
out of her system |
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13:30:50 |
ImMom98 |
I need to study more on herbs and homeopathy, I have a
lot of stuff here, but I don't know how to use it :-( |
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13:31:34 |
maemery |
it does take some time...I have been using herbs and
homeopathy for over 10 years |
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13:31:43 |
ImMom98 |
oh cool |
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13:32:12 |
ImMom98 |
my dh just mentioned something else that my vaxed dd
always has which is a very croupy cough with each cold
she has |
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13:32:38 |
ImMom98 |
she had croup A LOT has a baby and toddler, my non-vaxed
dd hasn't had it once (knock on wood) |
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13:32:50 |
maemery |
the natural remedies may be something to help your
vaxxed child out with her immune system |
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13:33:28 |
ImMom98 |
I can't recall Cami ever having a cough (just glouting
over my child's immune system) |
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13:33:31 |
lovthatlea |
We cured my son with homeopathy |
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13:33:40 |
ImMom98 |
what did he have? |
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13:34:10 |
ImMom98 |
does anyone have any suggestions on detoxing my oldest?
Is it worth it? I am sure the damage is done. |
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13:34:19 |
lovthatlea |
It really works..sounds like you child might need a
constitutional remedy....siezures from vaccines |
