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The Emotional Lives of Children #12

Hostess Sarah Edmonds is a licensed psychologist in Arizona who's worked with mothers and pre-school aged children in a behaviorally oriented intervention program and in private practice. She is now staying at home with her baby.

Guest Speakers for this chat: Kimberly Medlin http://poisonevercure.150m.com/cover.htm  and Wendy Callahan http://www.vaccinetruth.org 

5/2/05

16 mamas in attendance

12:03:48 Mod_SarahPhD OFFICIAL START OF EMOTIONAL LIVES OF CHILDREN CHAT
12:04:00 lovthatlea k.....I'm Wendy of www.vaccinetruth.com
12:04:14 Mod_SarahPhD Wendy, do you want to say more?
12:04:27 Mod_SarahPhD Like where you are based?
12:04:46 lovthatlea I could go on forever about vaccines should you wish! :)
12:05:06 lovthatlea I am in Florida, gainesville area
12:05:29 shannon562 hello
12:05:35 Mod_SarahPhD Do you just have your website, or what else do you do in terms of vaccine awareness?
12:05:50 Mod_SarahPhD Hi Shannon, we are having introductions of our guests
12:06:34 lovthatlea I give talks about vaccines at our local college and anyone that stands within a certain radius of me gets a vaccine lecture!
12:06:48 Mod_SarahPhD :)
12:07:00 Mod_SarahPhD Great, Kimberley, do you want to introduce yourself?
12:07:06 kimmedlin Yes....
12:07:09 lovthatlea I also hand out flyers at the local health dept until I am thrown out
12:07:09 vaclib Sara, just logged on. This is Ingri/vaclib. Hi everyone!
12:07:17 kimmedlin Kimberley Medlin here.....
12:07:18 Mod_SarahPhD Hi!
12:07:25 lovthatlea Hi!
12:07:42 kimmedlin I am the Director for the Vaclib (Arizona)
12:07:55 kimmedlin my website is www.vaccinationsandSIDS.com
12:08:05 Mod_SarahPhD Do you want to say more?
12:08:16 kimmedlin I worked side-by-side on the Janet Burton Case
12:08:24 vaclib I am the director of VacLib national and co-director of our Idaho chapter. www.vaccinetruth.com
12:08:46 Mod_SarahPhD VacLib is Ingri
12:09:07 Mod_SarahPhD Kimberely, do you want to say briefly what the janet burton case was
12:09:14 kimmedlin Yes....
12:10:01 kimmedlin The father of Janet's two children managed to get the Arizona court to order vaccinations
12:10:02 vaclib If anyone wants to know more about the Janet Burton case, they can do a simple google search and Kimberly's website and ours will come up with the entire story of forced vaccination at the hands of the state of Arizona
12:10:37 kimmedlin The youngest of the two has now developed asthma and his pupillary reflex has been damaged.
12:11:02 kimmedlin Currently, the case isat a rest""
12:11:05 Mod_SarahPhD The parents were divorced?
12:11:16 kimmedlin Yes, they were divorced
12:11:20 lovthatlea they were unvaxxed until 6 right?
12:11:26 kimmedlin yes
12:11:44 Mod_SarahPhD I see we are getting more chatters..
12:11:47 lovthatlea So it is easy to see the damage in a healthy kid
12:12:07 Mod_SarahPhD Let's finish with the introductions so we can start with questions
12:12:21 Mod_SarahPhD Ingri, would you like to say anything more about yourself?
12:13:14 swathi_pathak@yahoo.comn Hi i have done that...
12:13:32 Mod_SarahPhD Hi Swathi
12:13:36 swathi_pathak@yahoo.comn Hi
12:13:37 vaclib I am a new grandma and come from a non-vaccinating, non-doctoring family. We started VacLib due to the incredible pressure from the state and doctors to force this form of medical experimentation on our children.
12:14:07 Mod_SarahPhD When did you start it?
12:14:41 vaclib In 1998 with the Idaho chapter. In 2000 we went national and got our website up.
12:15:25 Mod_SarahPhD Let's start with questions.  If you have a question, type a ?" in an I will start a queue."
12:16:06 Mod_SarahPhD Do any of you have questions for the guests?
12:16:25 dddevane There are other non-vac groups out there.  What did you think was missing in that you felt the need to start a different non-vac org?
12:17:16 dddevane I'm sorry for not following the format :banghead
12:17:27 kimmedlin Unlike many groups, VacLib is not about being politically correct
12:17:29 Mod_SarahPhD That's okay, you can be first!
12:17:38 lovthatlea So many of them don't tell the whole truth...like some just want the mercury out of vaccines...there is so much more to them
12:18:04 kimmedlin VacLib is against vaccines entirely
12:18:13 vaclib I am not aware of any other non-vax groups. There are pro-choice and informed choice groups but there was nothing in our state at the time. In 2000, when we had 70 members in our state, we attempted to join NVIC and was told that they would not accept us as an affiliated chapter due to our anti-vax stance
12:18:30 Mod_SarahPhD Wow!
12:18:50 lovthatlea a lot of the others are bigpharma backed as well
12:19:08 dddevane ? So are you saying the the non-vax groups are not REALLY non-vax?
12:19:24 kimmedlin Most are not
12:19:33 Mod_SarahPhD Can you say which ones ar big pharma backed?
12:19:57 kimmedlin suspicion rests on NVIC
12:20:05 Mod_SarahPhD Wow!
12:20:10 lovthatlea some of them....haven't you seen the whole safer vaccine" kick they are on? As if there is a safe vaccine"
12:20:41 Mod_SarahPhD Can yo u expalin why there is no such thing as a safe vaccine?
12:20:52 vaclib I should clarify, we were members of NVIC -- they just didn't want us to be an NVIC chapter... Yes, the other groups out there will not profess to be anti-vax since they depend on funding and a 501(c)3 non-profit status. We are a totally volunteer network  with no corporate funding.
12:21:27 lovthatlea Sure you can't inject hideous poisons into children and think nothing will happen
12:21:32 kimmedlin There were problems with the first vaccines
12:22:14 vaclib Every ingredient in vaccines is foreign to the body and most ingredients such as formaldehyde, thimerosal and aluminum are also carcinogens
12:22:28 kimmedlin smallpox and polio were never eradicated by the vaccine
12:22:33 lovthatlea one quick check of the ingredients will explain.....aluminum, formaldahyde, mercury, RNA and DNA from diseased animal tissue...yuck
12:22:49 lovthatlea how could this somehow be helpful?
12:23:01 swathi_pathak@yahoo.comn ?so what do you suggest, we don't give vaccines to kids
12:23:16 kimmedlin exactly
12:23:19 lovthatlea The would be a big YES!
12:24:10 swathi_pathak@yahoo.comn but for school admissions we have the immunization card right
12:24:11 kimmedlin There are no credible health/risk analysis on vaccinations unaccompanied by conflict of interest
12:24:12 vaclib The more you research, the more you will truly want to protect your kids from injections of all kinds. Love Them, Protect Them, Never Inject Them -- a jingle Dewey came up with (our webservant)"
12:24:41 lovthatlea NO.....in most states exemptions are easy....
12:24:54 Mod_SarahPhD Swathi, what state are you in?
12:24:59 swathi_pathak@yahoo.comn CA
12:25:08 kimmedlin California is easy
12:25:11 lovthatlea Easiest state!
12:25:11 vaclib If you send your child to public school, you can ask for an exemption form. You can also access these exemptions and your state law on our website  www.vaclib.org
12:25:36 swathi_pathak@yahoo.comn Thanks
12:25:39 kimmedlin county health department offices also provide these exemption forms upon request
12:26:04 lovthatlea The school will try and trick you into believing they are mandatory ...they are not
12:26:10 Mod_SarahPhD Forget about the queue... if you have a question, just jump in
12:26:38 lovthatlea anyone have an unvaxxed baby?
12:26:42 kimmedlin that is because teh school receives $50-$100 per registered child inoculated
12:26:50 Mod_SarahPhD yes. me
12:27:02 lovthatlea I know Ingri's is what 20 and unvaxxed?
12:27:05 ourwiefamily I havve 5 unvaxed children (11yo down to 7mo) and one partially vaxed child (now 13yo)
12:27:24 lovthatlea Oh!!! how wonderful!!!
12:27:36 Mod_SarahPhD wow, the school only receives $$ if they are innoculated?
12:27:38 vaclib Do you notice that your baby is healthier than their vaccinated peers"?"
12:27:50 Mod_SarahPhD Yes, I've noticed that for sure
12:27:52 ourwiefamily Is there ever a time when the benefits of vaxing outweigh risks?  Just wondering for third world travel in particular.
12:27:59 lovthatlea I have a page on my site of unvaxxed children ...just for moms to see they are fine...
12:27:59 kimmedlin School districts also receive up to $100 per child on ritalin
12:28:14 kimmedlin there are NO benefits
12:28:16 lovthatlea never.....
12:28:32 Mod_SarahPhD Whoa!  who gives them the $$$  big pharma
12:28:45 vaclib I believe that Dr. Tenpenny is addressing this thrid world question in a future Mothering mag column
12:28:58 swathi_pathak@yahoo.comn In what way are unvaxxed kids healthy?
12:29:00 lovthatlea Good I love her stuff
12:29:13 Mod_SarahPhD She did answer a question recently for a mom traveling to India
12:29:23 vaclib Also, if you want more info. on this, I have a lot so email me off this chat vaclib@coldreams.com
12:29:25 Mod_SarahPhD THe question/answer are online
12:29:32 ourwiefamily No, I have not seen that my unvaxed babies are all healthier ... I have one child (my 11yo) who had a severe milk protein allergy who was very very ill a lot despite not being vaxed ~ I just also think he may have been *worse* if we had vaxed.
12:29:40 kimmedlin There are pharma representatives that sit on the CDC immmunization advisory board.  This board makes up the reccomendations
12:30:09 kimmedlin Also making up the schedule
12:30:12 lovthatlea Milk is also hideous....my kids have never had it.
12:30:31 Liba sorry, I got called away at work, but I have a couple questions...  we are moving to Israel soon and Hep A shots have been highly recomended for our whole family and I just recently got a huge lecture on the dangers of chickenpox... does the shot even work
12:30:44 lovthatlea no..
12:30:53