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The Emotional Lives of Children #13

Hostess Sarah Edmonds is a psychologist in Arizona who's worked with mothers and pre-school aged children in a behaviorally oriented intervention program and in private practice. She is now staying at home with her baby.

Guest Speakers for this Chat: Judy Stone, CN, MSW (Certified Nutritionist and Master's of Social Work) www.nutritionmagician.net ...author of Take Two Apples and Call Me In The Morning 

Judy says, "I'm especially interested in educating parents about the role of quality fat in the diet, alternatives to sugar, diet and behavior and learning, menu planning for convenience, and other topics."

6/13/05

11:01:05 Mod_SarahPhD I've got a question for you.  How bad is eating dark chocolate?
11:02:02 Mod_SarahPhD I just gave you administrative privileges" so you will be able to type more characters in the box"
11:02:43 nutritionmagician One of my favorite questions! I'm a dark chocolate lover so I've thrilled to see all the info now that tells us it's good food! It's got good anti-oxidants anda couple ounces 2-3 times a week is good for most people unless you have severe blood sugar issues or a chocolate allergy, or have a sugar addiction you can't master.
11:03:36 Mod_SarahPhD That's good to hear... but on so many of these elimination diets it is a no no
11:04:03 Mod_SarahPhD Let's see if cuddlebaby comes to this room, if not I'll go get her
11:04:45 nutritionmagician The University of Mich INtegrative Health Care program now includes it in their food pyramid! Well on an elimination it wouldn't be good but an ED is for time limited period usually for a specific purpose.
11:06:18 nutritionmagician Hello Cuddlebaby!
11:06:33 cuddlebabby hello11
11:06:40 cuddlebabby i like your username  :0
11:06:50 cuddlebabby ;0
11:07:07 cuddlebabby

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11:07:08 nutritionmagician Thank you--it's the name of my business :-)
11:07:22 cuddlebabby do you have an url/
11:08:43 Mod_SarahPhD Hi Cuddle, how did you find out about the chat?
11:08:44 nutritionmagician www.nutritionmagician.net    and www.taketwoapples.com   The latter one is specifically for my book Take Two Apples and Call Me In the Morning
11:09:29 cuddlebabby I get the email reminders and I just happen to be online at the start of it  :)
11:09:35 cuddlebabby I host the cloth diapering chat.
11:09:58 Mod_SarahPhD Oh, cool! :)
11:10:22 nutritionmagician I'm happy to take questions or I also have some ideas for discusiion. My emphasis in my work is on the medicinal/health aspects of nutrition or the lack thereof.
11:10:27 cuddlebabby this is one chat I have been wanting to be a part of for a long time.
11:10:48 Mod_SarahPhD What would you like cuddle?  Do you have questions?
11:10:49 cuddlebabby wow, very interesting!!
11:10:58 cuddlebabby wish more around here would learn about nutrition.
11:11:17 nutritionmagician where's around here" cuddle?"
11:11:52 Mod_SarahPhD I agree.  I went on an elimination diet to cure my daughter's ezcema-and it worked.  My eating dairy will trigger it.  She's mostly breastfed- a little food, recently.
11:12:11 cuddlebabby exactly what I did and for the same reason and got the same results!!
11:12:22 Mod_SarahPhD Wow!
11:12:28 cuddlebabby my 2yo had ezcema too....
11:12:42 cuddlebabby still can't have peanuts or eggs and can tolerate tiny bits of dairy....
11:13:05 cuddlebabby not much though, can't get him to take a drink of milk. so weird how they just KNOW what they can and can't have!
11:13:07 Mod_SarahPhD Interesting.   My daughter got it around 4 mo of age.  She's almost 11 mo now
11:13:23 Mod_SarahPhD Have you seen this too, Judy?
11:13:57 nutritionmagician Good for both of you for taking the cow by the horns! Dairy can be a problem for so many. What are you using as an alternative to dairy? Often people use soy and that also has some big pitfalls that often people are not aware of.
11:14:31 cuddlebabby My son was about 18 months before it went away completely, he's still nursed too at 28 months, along with his sister who is 7 weeks.
11:14:44 Mod_SarahPhD I use rice milk occasionally.  I knew about soy,so I stayed away from that.
11:15:08 cuddlebabby I think I need to go no dairy again too cuz baby girl is gassy and projectile vomiting at least once a day....
11:15:23 Mod_SarahPhD Wow!
11:15:42 cuddlebabby I bought some soy milk, wasn't too impressed, just aren't using any substitutes....
11:16:27 nutritionmagician Have either of you tried raw milk and if so, did it cause the eczema to come back? Raw milk can often prevent the development of skin allergies. Goats milk is sometimes used as an alternative for dairy allergy babies.
11:17:02 Mod_SarahPhD I did try raw goat's milk, and even made the goat's milk kefir from it, but she still reacted
11:17:10 cuddlebabby no not since I had my family.  My mom and dad used raw goats and cows milk for my sibs allergies....
11:17:31 cuddlebabby I've since heard that raw milk is so much better than the place where we used to get it.....
11:17:34 Mod_SarahPhD It makes me think I have leaky gut, yeast, and/or other digestive issues
11:17:46 nutritionmagician This website, if you don't know it already, is a great resource for children's nutrition and discusses dairy at length
11:17:53 nutritionmagician http://www.westonaprice.org/children/index.html
11:18:11 cuddlebabby will pasteurized goat milk be okay or defeating the purpose, i'm thinking for baking or for my cereal...
11:18:22 cuddlebabby no dairy goats in NE
11:18:49 Mod_SarahPhD I got mine through the local community supported agriculture program
11:19:06 cuddlebabby hmm, yeast....maybe that's it for me too....I'm SO suseptible.
11:19:16 nutritionmagician pastueriozing kills all the helpful goodies but just be sure the dairy is using clean procedures and use within a 5-7 days
11:19:27 cuddlebabby i have tons of digestive issues, probably all DOES involve dairy....
11:20:00 Mod_SarahPhD What are your issues?
11:20:08 cuddlebabby ibs
11:20:23 Mod_SarahPhD Yes, my grandmother had that
11:20:24 cuddlebabby and any time there's a bacteria going around, I get very gassy......
11:20:40 cuddlebabby I mean, like sick, with diarrhea....
11:20:50 Mod_SarahPhD Have you heard of the Specific Carbohydrate diet?  I just heard about it recently, it is supposed to heal all that
11:20:57 nutritionmagician IT could be dairy but there are so many other things that affects digestion--lack of live enzymes, yeast overgrowth, diet too high in carbohydrates, sugar, other food allergies, to name a few
11:21:20 nutritionmagician SCD is very helpful for many
11:21:26 cuddlebabby yeah, I think I'll start back on my probiotics.....
11:22:00 cuddlebabby had yeast in pregnancy, fortunately, none now, on nipple or vag, but do have some under breasts.
11:22:20 Mod_SarahPhD Judy, how do you determine what is going on?
11:22:45 cuddlebabby carbs, big issue.  GD in pregnancy...probably why my baby was born with ZERO yeast (other three were) cuz I was zero carb in pregnancy.
11:23:14 cuddlebabby hmm, need to google SCD
11:23:23 cuddlebabby Judy, I'm at your website, very nice....
11:23:56 nutritionmagician I takea health history and look at a food diary for each person. Then it's a process of elimination starting with the most likely suspects. I work with specific dietary regimens and supplements mostly to see if we can eliminate the problems.
11:24:24 nutritionmagician Thanks you cuddle--one of my summer projects is to update and revise it.
11:25:25 nutritionmagician How old are your children Sarah and Cuddle?
11:25:50 Mod_SarahPhD almost 11 mo
11:26:11 cuddlebabby wow the weston a price website about formula is pretty interesting.
11:26:24 Mod_SarahPhD http://www.scdiet.org/default.html
11:26:28 cuddlebabby 9, 7, 2 and 7 weeks.
11:27:18 Mod_SarahPhD I'm amazed you have time to  chat!   :)
11:27:38 cuddlebabby yeah, it's rare.
11:27:51 cuddlebabby and I just laid the baby down, that's rare too!
11:27:57 cuddlebabby I am actually typing two handed.
11:27:58 nutritionmagician And I guess I should ask, are most of your nutritin concrens for yourselves or about your kids?  Yes the Weston Price website is a terrific resource. They really stay on the cutting edge of nutrition and nutrition politics. WOW cuddle! you have got your hands full, literally and figuratively!
11:28:19 cuddlebabby and nursing both, too  :)
11:28:31 cuddlebabby and www.cuddlebaby.com  sewing and homeschooling
11:28:45 cuddlebabby but things suffer, only half the family is dressed  :)
11:28:55 Mod_SarahPhD Since I'm still mostly breastfeeding, I guess about myself
11:29:11 cuddlebabby both...in my case...
11:29:14 nutritionmagician what is www.cuddlebaby.com ? (I'll go visit after the chat)
11:29:18 Mod_SarahPhD I've gotten confused... some say not to eat grains, others say only if soaked, etc
11:29:27 cuddlebabby what has been your belief about foods mom eats actually getting to the baby?
11:29:55 cuddlebabby I sew and sell diapers, slings; my biz partner sewing cloth menstrual pads and nursing garments.
11:30:30 Mod_SarahPhD I've kind of gotten to the point where I don't know what to eat, especially for breakfast.  I've never been a fan of eggs, bacon, sausage, etc
11:30:53 cuddlebabby breakfast I found was the toughest too when I was gd
11:31:00 cuddlebabby need to get back on that too.
11:31:05 cuddlebabby hard boiled egg?
11:31:07 cuddlebabby yogurt?
11:31:15 nutritionmagician Mom's food definetly becomes baby's food. So it's important to eat with that in mind. Studies show for example that if mom eats trans fats, breast milk has trans fats in it. :-(
11:31:44 cuddlebabby didn't know that, and I'm a LLL leader....
11:31:51 Mod_SarahPhD What recommendations do you have for what moms should" eat?"
11:31:56 cuddlebabby I know flavors of garlic and onion go through
11:31:58 nutritionmagician What's gd?
11:32:12 cuddlebabby argued lots about whether removing dairy from my diet would do anything for the baby.
11:32:25 cuddlebabby gestational diabetic
11:32:40 Mod_SarahPhD I think removing dairy could do a lot
11:32:46 cuddlebabby so no more oreos huh?  (kidding)
11:33:13 cuddlebabby yeah...
11:33:19 Mod_SarahPhD It is hard to make nutritious meals when you are trying to take care of little one (s)
11:33:23 cuddlebabby have you found that dairy is number one allergy?
11:33:43 cuddlebabby moms helping moms with young children have found that dairy is number one allergy.
11:33:56 Mod_SarahPhD I've heard that too
11:33:58 nutritionmagician One thing that's important is not to eat a low fat diet. Baby needs lots of healthy fat for brain, nervous system, and isual development. Long chain fatty acids from hormone free milk, eggs and mercury =free fish (if you can find it) or fish oil supplements that have been molecularly distilled to remove toxins, are all good sources.
11:34:26 cuddlebabby like avocadoes and macadamia nuts?
11:34:42 nutritionmagician Dairy, corn, wheat and soy are tops, but dairy is by far most common.
11:35:21 Mod_SarahPhD What is your take on eating grains?
11:35:24 cuddlebabby I had my son's (the ezcema one) blood tested, positive for wheat, eggs, dairy and peanuts...
11:35:42 nutritionmagician avocadoes and mac nuts are healthy fats but they're not long chains. Typcially long chains come from animal protein and vegetable and nut sources oare medium and short--still good for you but not a substitute.
11:36:13 cuddlebabby so leftover steak for breakfast then huh?  :)
11:36:28 nutritionmagician if your stomach likes it, go for it!
11:36:39 Mod_SarahPhD I think that is what I'll start eating!
11:37:04 cuddlebabby I love to put left over meats on my salad the next day, YUM!
11:37:36 nutritionmagician Eggs, omelettes,leftover  chicken and veggie stir-fry, whatever appeals to you is great.
11:38:26 cuddlebabby thanks for the scd website....
11:38:38 Mod_SarahPhD you are welcome
11:39:00 cuddlebabby the omelette idea is good....
11:39:25 Mod_SarahPhD Yeah, I could try that
11:39:50 nutritionmagician Sarah--you aksed earlier about soaking grains versus not. Soaking them creates a slight fementatin which deactivates the phytates. This is good b/c phytates bind with major minerals like calcium and zince and prevent their absorption. Of course, if one is dealing with yeast overgrowthgrains or doing the SCD grains should be omitted temporarily
11:40:14 Mod_SarahPhD Thanks, Judy
11:41:35 cuddlebabby I was just wondering about that...
11:41:43 nutritionmagician Something you could do cuddle to deal with the time issue and food prep is have hard-boiled eggs on hand. Omelettes are best fresh but I've certainly had leftover omelette and enjoyed it so you could make up some in advance. Add lots of veggies.
11:41:54 cuddlebabby it's so hard to take wheat (especially) out of an american diet...
11:42:13 cuddlebabby thanks judy
11:42:17 Mod_SarahPhD Going out to eat is really h ard if you eliminate dairy and wheat!
11:42:21 nutritionmagician There'sa wonderful egg white protein powder available www.jayrobb.com
11:42:55 Mod_SarahPhD Is that kind better than others?  for example, I bought some hemp protein powder the other day!
11:43:37 cuddlebabby now I sew with hemp, used hemp lotions, but I have never heard to hemp protein...thanks for the education
11:43:55 Mod_SarahPhD :D
11:44:47 nutritionmagician If you stick with protein and veggies you can usually find something. I always ask for a double order of veggies in place of potato or rice (though sometimes I eat those). It can be agood idea to order salad right away so you aren't starving for the bread. I often ask for the wait person to take back the bread so I don't have to stare at it.
11:45:47 nutritionmagician Hmm, I don't know about hemp Sarah. Whey and Egg white protein are the most biologically available so they give you more  bang for your buck.
11:46:14 Mod_SarahPhD Okay, good to know! :)
11:47:08 nutritionmagician In Take Two Apples I have a page of recipes for protein smoothies (master recipe is on web site using whey but you can substitute egg white) By adding fruit, nut butters, and flavor extracts you can make all kinds of great variations.
11:47:53 Mod_SarahPhD My husband just ordered a Magic Bullet" blender!  He's finally "cooking" smoothies!"
11:48:03 nutritionmagician The egg white protein has a little less stevia (herbal sweetener) than the whey so you may need to sweeten it a bit. Do you both know about Stevia?
11:48:36 Mod_SarahPhD Yes, do you have a good source for it?  There seems to be a lot of variation in quality
11:50:23 nutritionmagician I've used Nu Nutritionals which I get through Whole Foods or Planetary Formula which I order for my retail shop. I prefer liquid because I can standardize amounts more in recipes. The NOW brand is notoriously bad tasting!
11:52:51 cuddlebabby stevia is herbal sweetener?
11:52:59 Mod_SarahPhD What do you recommend to get rid of yeast, and how do you know if you have" it?"
11:53:23 cuddlebabby acidophilus....
11:53:31 cuddlebabby do you mean vaginally?
11:53:39 cuddlebabby or baby's mouth/bottom?
11:53:42 cuddlebabby or nipples?
11:53:54 Mod_SarahPhD No, in the stomach-digestive system
11:54:15 cuddlebabby we call that 'systematic'
11:54:27 cuddlebabby if baby has it in mouth and bottom then obviously....
11:54:42 cuddlebabby and I probably have it in my gut too now that I am reading your website....
11:54:46 cuddlebabby and the sbc one...
11:55:09 cuddlebabby so you'd recommend a change in diet to get rid of yeat I assume, right?
11:55:40 nutritionmagician Yes cuddle, it's a plant origianlly from South America but now grwon here. IT's been used for decades for medicinal purpose. It's 300X as sweet as sugar and has no calories and no effect on blood sugar. It's best uses I think are to sweeten beverages, sauces, etc. It's not great for baking where the recipes needs the sugar to give structural properties (like cake or cookies) and if too much is used it can havea licorice-like after taste. I use it alot for homemeade lemonade or making my own BBQ sauce that has no sugar.
11:56:10 cuddlebabby wow, that stevia sounds great!
11:56:15 cuddlebabby lemonade season is here!
11:56:34 cuddlebabby antifungals to get rid of yeast vag...
11:56:42 cuddlebabby or on skin..
11:57:02 cuddlebabby nystantin is what's normally rx'd for baby's mouth....
11:57:16 cuddlebabby I don't though cuz they put it in a sugar base, how stupid is that?
11:57:27 cuddlebabby it's as thick and sweet as honey!
11:57:36 Mod_SarahPhD Luckily I don't have yeast infections vaginally and baby doesn't have
11:57:48 Mod_SarahPhD but I do get a lot of bloating
11:57:56 cuddlebabby well that's good sarah!
11:58:03 Mod_SarahPhD I guess that could come from something other than yeast
11:58:04 cuddlebabby Sarah is the name of my 7 week old  :)
11:58:11 Mod_SarahPhD Awe!
11:58:42 cuddlebabby sarah olivia who didn't have a very long nap and is now nursing again!
11:59:03 Mod_SarahPhD I like her name!
11:59:14 Mod_SarahPhD My girl is named Jasmine Rae
11:59:46 cuddlebabby awwwe
11:59:52 cuddlebabby beautiful
12:00:04 cuddlebabby my sarah is SO gassy!!!
12:00:11 cuddlebabby but that's cuz I am right now too....
12:00:16 cuddlebabby poor thing is just in pain...
12:00:21 Mod_SarahPhD Yeah, projectile vomiting!  THat must be scary!
12:00:25 nutritionmagician For yeast you need to remove any foods from the diet that feed yeast which would be sugar or sugar containing foods, or foods that break down into sugar easily. SO that would be all forms of sugar, fruits, dairy and flours and grains. For at least a month the diet should consists of protein and vegetables basically. You also, as cuddle says want to include an anti-fungal to kill yeast. I recommend an herbal blend from Nature's Sunshine called Yeast Funga Detox but there are lots of herbal products available for that purpose. What most people miss is the part about not continuing to feed the yeast while you're killing it. Then you need to add good bacteria in the form ofprobiotics--take these away from food, usually at night and away from your fungal killing herbs.
12:00:36 cuddlebabby I'm thinking take some probiotics and get rid of refined sugar, right judy?
12:02:33 Mod_SarahPhD Judy, it is 10 am and I am realizing our scheduled time is over
12:02:40 nutritionmagician Yes on refined sugars but remenber lots of other foods have sugar or break down to sugar and that feed's theyeast. Breads, pasta, grains, honey, anything containing lactose and anything containing fermentation
12:03:06 nutritionmagician Oh well that flew by. I hope this was helpful to each of you. I know I enjoyed it!
12:03:07 cuddlebabby so pretty much, atkins?
12:03:20 Mod_SarahPhD We can keep going but I realize you might need to go
12:03:40 Mod_SarahPhD It was great!  Thank you som much!
12:03:59 cuddlebabby thanks so much judy!!
12:04:14 cuddlebabby I need to go too, play referee in the living room and dress people  :)
12:04:15 nutritionmagician Just about but watch things like soy sauce (fermented) and stick to lemon juice with olive oil for salad dressings.
12:04:50 Mod_SarahPhD Thanks everyone!  I enjoyed it too!
12:05:01 nutritionmagician Yes, I need to go as well. Sarah if you'd like, lets be in touch and set something up for fall.
12:05:14 Mod_SarahPhD Judy I'd like to schedule a private consult.  I'll email you!
12:05:33 nutritionmagician Great! Talk to you later :-)

 

 

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